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Post by ladyarchimedes on Jan 15, 2015 22:32:28 GMT -5
Seems like there are many Charmed fans on here. Hoping someone out there can help. Season three; obviously it's well known that it ends with Piper dead; and Phoebe trapped. Then season four opens with Prue dead, Piper and Phoebe mourning. Everyone has different theories on how this happened. I REMEMBER SEEING the missing episode. I want to find anyone else who also remembers. Anyone?
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 15, 2015 23:09:27 GMT -5
No, I don't remember and I believe that there is no such episode. I watched "All Hell Breaks Loose" both the first time it aired on The WB as the Season Three finale and also as a repeat DIRECTLY before they aired "Charmed Again" as the Season Four premiere for the first time on The WB. If the episode you mentioned existed, that's when they would've aired it. They didn't. What I think you might be remembering is a fan-created episode. There's a number of those around. IMOHO, the best one is this one: SHINING-ALLURE'S "The Story of Prue's Death" Part One: When Death Means to LovePart Two: AfterlifePart Three: Forever SistersSHINING-ALLURE's Dedication: I dedicate this whole Fan-made-extended-reality episode to Prudence Halliwell, my favorite Charmed sister of all time, and the most powerful, funniest, most talented witch on the show.
Ok, I still love the others, but season 7 and 8 made the whole cast look like bored, boring witches with nothing to do but whine about having a normal life, WHICH made the show even more boring because the main idea wasn't about that and it made the demons look like crazy losers who would just come around and "attack".
I know I said this a million times already, but I SWEAR, Teletubbies scare me more than the demons do after season 5 ended ..well.. even some demons from seasons 3, 4 and 5 weren't that scary.
Anyway, I hope there's nothing more to add (on the video AND the description).
Enjoy the video. (And I most certainly did!) EXTRAS: The Scene We Should've SeenAd for the DVD (Don't I wish...) NOTE: Shining-Allure admits that she couldn't keep hair-styles and clothes and stuff like that consistent since, of course, this episode never existed, but if you can look past all of this, she did a fantastic job actually putting together the episode (with dialogue) that we should've had the chance to see.
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Post by charmedhybrid on Jan 16, 2015 14:05:15 GMT -5
I read up somewhere that it was rumored that All Hell Breaks Loose was really meant to be a 2 hour show but bc Shannon Doherty got fired and she was the one who directed the episode she wouldn't let them show it and the two part episode was only shown once or twice on air. As I far I can see I can only find the fan created versions and a deleted scene. Deleted scene m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDPudSOgKeU
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 16, 2015 15:10:10 GMT -5
The information under your "deleted scene" clip makes it very clear that it's also fan-created.
According to Holly Marie Combs, Shannen Doherty left Charmed firmly believing that she would be back for Season Four. She had absolutely no reason to direct any scene showing the death of her character if she believed that character would again be the star of Season Four. According to Holly, she was fired over the phone while she was in Canada making a movie with her then-boyfriend Julian McMahon. If they asked her to be part of a death scene of her character after being treated this way, I can understand why she would've refused.
I still insist that there is no deleted scene and no lost episode.
Here's what Holly said about the whole thing:
This is from an article in TV Guide, published between Season Three and Four.
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Post by ladyarchimedes on Jan 16, 2015 17:59:58 GMT -5
The episode I've seen was not patched, I don't think. I've never found it again or seen it. In it Phoebe and Cole make a deal with The Source, and it kills off Tempest to help them. He agrees because all magic has been exposed and he believes he can get the upper hand. Time rewinds, but Phoebe is still underground and can't help piper and Prue after they get thrown through the wall. Leo heals Piper, but Prue is dead. Is any of this sounding familiar ?
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Post by ladyarchimedes on Jan 16, 2015 18:02:54 GMT -5
Was that a patched episode, and I just didn't catch on ?
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 16, 2015 19:37:52 GMT -5
If you mean it was one that a fan took clips from various shows and patched them together, yup, it most definitely is.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 17, 2015 15:51:29 GMT -5
Curiosity. Did you see this episode on TV or online? If it was online, it's most definitely fan-created.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 16:34:26 GMT -5
What is it with this rumour? There is no 'lost episode'. It makes no sense for them to remove/not air an episode. Firstly, Shannen wouldn't be able to stop them showing an already filmed episode with her in it, and secondly, I don't think she'd even film an episode in which it was made explicit that Prue was to die permanently.
And even if she did, why on earth would they not show it?
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 17, 2015 22:06:34 GMT -5
What is it with this rumour? There is no 'lost episode'. It makes no sense for them to remove/not air an episode. Firstly, Shannen wouldn't be able to stop them showing an already filmed episode with her in it, and secondly, I don't think she'd even film an episode in which it was made explicit that Prue was to die permanently. And even if she did, why on earth would they not show it? I agree. If they'd include the original pilot on the Season Eight DVD, I'm sure they would've included any lost episode. Especially one that is part of such an important part of Charmed. But it seems like that rumor very simply refuses to die.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 12:18:32 GMT -5
I agree. If they'd include the original pilot on the Season Eight DVD, I'm sure they would've included any lost episode. Especially one that is part of such an important part of Charmed. But it seems like that rumor very simply refuses to die. Exactly. It's annoying that people keep saying 'I saw it though', why would they go to so much effort to hide a TV show episode, for God's sake? Obviously some people have just watched too many bad fan videos on YT.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 18, 2015 13:41:18 GMT -5
I agree. If they'd include the original pilot on the Season Eight DVD, I'm sure they would've included any lost episode. Especially one that is part of such an important part of Charmed. But it seems like that rumor very simply refuses to die. Exactly. It's annoying that people keep saying 'I saw it though', why would they go to so much effort to hide a TV show episode, for God's sake? Obviously some people have just watched too many bad fan videos on YT. That's why I asked if they saw it on TV or online... The major problem is there isn't enough that happens between "All Hell Breaks Loose" and "Charmed Again, Part One" to make a full episode. Now a missing scene (or two or three), that would be a possibility. But again, if it was ever filmed, I don't see why it never showed up on the Season 8 DVDs. Now a few decades ago, the reason would be the film would've been destroyed and never seen, which means that anyone who saw it didn't see it. Either way, I very firmly believe that it doesn't exist - that they had to start where they started either because after the way they fired her, Shannen refused to be part of it, or (more likely) The WB didn't want to pay her to be part of it.
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Post by ladyarchimedes on Jan 18, 2015 14:54:57 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense, but it doesn't make sense for them to fire such a major character before the scene was filmed. And if that is what happened it doesn't make sense to me that they wouldn't have tried to explain it SOMEHOW. They just dive into the next episode (which I always found infuriating). I accept that perhaps what I saw was a fan created episode. I just wanted to see what others thought. I saw it years and years ago. I believe it was online, increasing the possibility of it being fan created. I guess part of me wants there to be an episode. It's so aggravating to have such a massive hole in the story.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 18, 2015 15:50:33 GMT -5
Oh, there's no doubt it's irritating, but it doesn't mean that it's not the way it was done.
We still don't know for 100% sure if Shannen Doherty was fired or if she quit. If it was mutual, who knows? They might have shot such a bunch of scenes. But this far afterwards, if it was around, someone would've slipped and told someone else that such a thing exists and it would've been found. And that hasn't happened.
If we don't know that, how would we know anything else?
But I will always believe Holly when she says that Shannen thoroughly expected to be back for Season Four so there was absolutely no reason to film thes Te scenes which would let her know that indeed she was going to be fired, which would've let her do her own spinning before it was. That's just not the way Hollywood works, no matter if we like it or not.
A lot of us wish there were extra scenes that would've shown what happened between those two episodes (as I said before, it would be hard to come up with more than just a few scenes to show what happened between the end of Season Three and the start of Season Four.
When youtube was first started, a lot of fans tried to make it appear that their fan-created videos were actually real. I'm still guessing that that's what you saw.
I do hope that ShiningAllure's videos (and other such ones) will help you imagine what happened during that time.
Personally I can't see how anything Brad Kern oould've come up with would've been any better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 17:34:08 GMT -5
Exactly. It's annoying that people keep saying 'I saw it though', why would they go to so much effort to hide a TV show episode, for God's sake? Obviously some people have just watched too many bad fan videos on YT. That's why I asked if they saw it on TV or online... The major problem is there isn't enough that happens between "All Hell Breaks Loose" and "Charmed Again, Part One" to make a full episode. Now a missing scene (or two or three), that would be a possibility. But again, if it was ever filmed, I don't see why it never showed up on the Season 8 DVDs. Now a few decades ago, the reason would be the film would've been destroyed and never seen, which means that anyone who saw it didn't see it. Either way, I very firmly believe that it doesn't exist - that they had to start where they started either because after the way they fired her, Shannen refused to be part of it, or (more likely) The WB didn't want to pay her to be part of it. Exactly my argument. What exactly is 'missing'? - Cole telling Phoebe and Leo to 'run', Leo healing Piper, Prue not waking up, sisterly devastation, hardly enough material for a whole episode. I'm actually kind of glad S4 didn't pick up right from the S3 cliff-hanger, I didn't want to see Prue dead and Piper and Phoebe failing to revive her, Charmed Again was heart-breaking enough. Oh, there's no doubt it's irritating, but it doesn't mean that it's not the way it was done. We still don't know for 100% sure if Shannen Doherty was fired or if she quit. If it was mutual, who knows? They might have shot such a bunch of scenes. But this far afterwards, if it was around, someone would've slipped and told someone else that such a thing exists and it would've been found. And that hasn't happened. If we don't know that, how would we know anything else? But I will always believe Holly when she says that Shannen thoroughly expected to be back for Season Four so there was absolutely no reason to film thes Te scenes which would let her know that indeed she was going to be fired, which would've let her do her own spinning before it was. That's just not the way Hollywood works, no matter if we like it or not. A lot of us wish there were extra scenes that would've shown what happened between those two episodes (as I said before, it would be hard to come up with more than just a few scenes to show what happened between the end of Season Three and the start of Season Four. When youtube was first started, a lot of fans tried to make it appear that their fan-created videos were actually real. I'm still guessing that that's what you saw. I do hope that ShiningAllure's videos (and other such ones) will help you imagine what happened during that time. Personally I can't see how anything Brad Kern oould've come up with would've been any better than that. Agreed. If it did, it wouldn't be anything so earth shattering that it would need to be so faithfully hidden. You're so right, people need to use some common sense. There is NO WAY Kern and Co. would clue Shannen in to her not returning for S4 (ergo, Prue's permanent death) because they know she'd refuse to film the scenes. And I too believe Holly that Shannen was cowardly fired over the phone, which explains her attitude in interviews right after ('I don't wanna work with people who bitch about their jobs'). She probably wouldn't have behaved that way if it had been a mutually agreed departure - she was obviously trying to spin it to make it look like she quit. And if she had quit/agreed to leave, she'd film this 'lost episode' with little problem I imagine. And, as Holly interestingly pointed out, why would you direct the last episode of the season if you'd quit/weren't expecting to come back?
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jan 21, 2015 23:04:31 GMT -5
The episode I've seen was not patched, I don't think. I've never found it again or seen it. In it Phoebe and Cole make a deal with The Source, and it kills off Tempest to help them. He agrees because all magic has been exposed and he believes he can get the upper hand. Time rewinds, but Phoebe is still underground and can't help piper and Prue after they get thrown through the wall. Leo heals Piper, but Prue is dead. Is any of this sounding familiar ? ^ Pretty sure this is the ending of AHBL. Piper is dead. Leo goes back to the Underworld and Phoebe knows it's Piper. Cole goes to The Source and time is reverted back to Piper and Prue bringing the doc inside the Manor and yelling for Phoebe. But she's in the Underworld so she can't hear. And Shax comes in. Everyone gets thrown. His wind closes the Manor doors. Scene. There is no "Leo heals Piper, but Prue is dead" scene though. That does not exist. But the rest of it is the actual episode.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 22, 2015 8:47:29 GMT -5
Just to make sure we're all on the same page, here's what happened at the beginning of the epsiode, what fans often use in their fan-created "episode": And here's the ending: SOURCE: charmedscripts.tv/all_hell_breaks_loose.htmSo as Assassin said, what in this (besides Leo healing Piper while Prue is dead - easy to do when you patch the first scene with the last one) was part of the "missing episode"?
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