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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:53:45 GMT -5
Exactly so. Choosing someone who was more accustomed to the timing of movies was as bad as choosing a comedic actress to play the dramatic role of Billie. Yeah, that was Rose's biggest issue. Rose had always primarily been a film actor, and when she signed that contract for Charmed, she didn't expect to spend the next half-decade on the show. She thought she would only be there for 1 or 2 years, at the most, and with the way the ratings tanked in Season 4, it really looked like that would be the case. What also didn't help was the lack of good material for Paige. After Season 4, she got practically nothing but nymph/leprechaun/Not!warts crap, without ever getting a good storyline for herself. Rose had no reason to continue being invested in the show and her character. If it wasn't for her contract, she would've bolted after Season 6.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 12:03:49 GMT -5
I've always speculated this is why Rose started her infamous mugging and twitching here. This was her way of rebelling, since she was locked into a contract.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 3, 2015 12:49:11 GMT -5
Exactly so. Choosing someone who was more accustomed to the timing of movies was as bad as choosing a comedic actress to play the dramatic role of Billie. Yeah, that was Rose's biggest issue. Rose had always primarily been a film actor, and when she signed that contract for Charmed, she didn't expect to spend the next half-decade on the show. She thought she would only be there for 1 or 2 years, at the most, and with the way the ratings tanked in Season 4, it really looked like that would be the case. What also didn't help was the lack of good material for Paige. After Season 4, she got practically nothing but nymph/leprechaun/Not!warts crap, without ever getting a good storyline for herself. Rose had no reason to continue being invested in the show and her character. If it wasn't for her contract, she would've bolted after Season 6. I'd think she would've bolted after Season Five - that's when her character turned into the ditzy Valley Girl I show in my signature. Of course her mugging didn't help one bit. I will always wish that Alyssa had been the one who was fired and BFF Shannen and Holly could've tried continuing without her. No Power of Three, just them and a whitelighter and grief-crazed half-demon probably would've only lasted a season, but it would've been so much better. Of course, that wasn't going to happen, not with Alyssa becoming even more of a media star than Ask Phoebe, but I can wish... And as I always say, since if I had wishes in one hand and sh!t in the other, you know how full the one hand would be, if I'm going to wish, I'm going to wish BIG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 13:45:32 GMT -5
That's probably why she started mugging. Rose was rebelling against Kern and his writers destroying her promising character.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 14:14:30 GMT -5
I've always speculated this is why Rose started her infamous mugging and twitching here. This was her way of rebelling, since she was locked into a contract. Yeah, you notice that her acting wasn't bad at all in Season 4. She actually put in a good performance in "A Paige From the Past," for example. It was around the middle of Season 5 that it started to go downhill, only getting worse as time went on. I'd think she would've bolted after Season Five - that's when her character turned into the ditzy Valley Girl I show in my signature. Of course her mugging didn't help one bit. I will always wish that Alyssa had been the one who was fired and BFF Shannen and Holly could've tried continuing without her. No Power of Three, just them and a whitelighter and grief-crazed half-demon probably would've only lasted a season, but it would've been so much better. Of course, that wasn't going to happen, not with Alyssa becoming even more of a media star than Ask Phoebe, but I can wish... And as I always say, since if I had wishes in one hand and sh!t in the other, you know how full the one hand would be, if I'm going to wish, I'm going to wish BIG! I said Season 6 because there actually were rumors going around about Rose wanting to leave then: "Every Rose Has Its Thorn," i-D UK, April 1, 2004.I'm not sure how the show would've done with just Prue and Piper, but if pressed, I probably would've preferred Phoebe dying. I actually started to dislike her BEFORE Prue died, and she just became a drag on the show later on. I could've lived without her and her superstar advice column and Baby Daddy Hunt.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 3, 2015 15:08:14 GMT -5
I'd think she would've bolted after Season Five - that's when her character turned into the ditzy Valley Girl I show in my signature. Of course her mugging didn't help one bit. I will always wish that Alyssa had been the one who was fired and BFF Shannen and Holly could've tried continuing without her. No Power of Three, just them and a whitelighter and grief-crazed half-demon probably would've only lasted a season, but it would've been so much better. Of course, that wasn't going to happen, not with Alyssa becoming even more of a media star than Ask Phoebe, but I can wish... And as I always say, since if I had wishes in one hand and sh!t in the other, you know how full the one hand would be, if I'm going to wish, I'm going to wish BIG! I said Season 6 because there actually were rumors going around about Rose wanting to leave then: "Every Rose Has Its Thorn," i-D UK, April 1, 2004.Ah, thank you for that. That's why I would've wanted her to be the one to die, so I could remember her as Phoebs, my favorite sister (I love the fact that no one called her that once Kern took over - I hate it when fans have Paige call her that in their fanfics - Paige *never* called her that), and not as PhoeME, my least-favorite. Phoebs died and PhoeME was born when PhoeME lied to Prue about vanquishing Cole, putting him and herself above the Power of Three.
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Post by Astral Vision on Jul 3, 2015 15:41:16 GMT -5
I love the fact that no one called her that once Kern took over - I hate it when fans have Paige call her that in their fanfics - Paige *never* called her that Just thought I'd chime in here, as a fanfic writer, when writing Paige addressing Phoebe if I almost go to write "Pheebs" I tend to pause and change it back to "Phoebe", because I agree it's more of something that Prue or Piper call her than Paige.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 17:53:18 GMT -5
I too wish it had been Phoebe blasted thought that wall. At least she would have died as the character I loved and not turned into PhoebME, a fate worse than death.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 18:56:05 GMT -5
That's why I would've wanted her to be the one to die, so I could remember her as Phoebs, my favorite sister (I love the fact that no one called her that once Kern took over - I hate it when fans have Paige call her that in their fanfics - Paige *never* called her that), and not as PhoeME, my least-favorite. Phoebs died and PhoeME was born when PhoeME lied to Prue about vanquishing Cole, putting him and herself above the Power of Three. I agree 100%. Phoebe turned into PhoeME long before Prue died, and she only got worse from there. As much as I liked Cole as a character, his relationship with Phoebe was probably the worst thing to ever happen to her.
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Post by imdb lives on on Sept 13, 2018 17:38:10 GMT -5
I always thought it made more sense for Phoebe to die. She was the one in the underworld and was ordered by the source to be killed. Prue and Piper could've been healed, scryed, casting spells to find her & find Paige instead. It would've been better and easier to explain. That way the sister dynamic wouldn't change as Prue was still the eldest, Piper in the middle and Paige as the youngest. She could've been the one who got premonitions and orbing.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 13, 2018 19:00:35 GMT -5
Yeah, it makes more sense, but with Alyssa the media star and Phoebe and Cole the "it" couple, that very simply was not going to happen.
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Post by pheebs on Sept 13, 2018 21:16:34 GMT -5
That's right. I've read article's and rumors that Alyssa was seriously considering to leave the show before it was Shannen fired. Obviously we know why.
If that happened I'd be glad Pheebs died when she did. Much better place than remembering her in S4-8.
It would be easier to explain Phoebe's death. With the story opening right where we left off.
I wonder if they'd fire Alyssa over the phone. She may well just leave on her own accord as was rumored she wanted to do. So maybe she doesn't keep the rights to her image and that way they'd have more flexibly with her image and create a dummy of Alyssa's likeness to work as her corpse assuming they had a body or found one.
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Post by Sasha on Sept 13, 2018 22:25:12 GMT -5
You can be sure, they didn't want to risk losing Alyssa if she quit and the star and the "it" couple half is gone. I can see why firing Shannen was the easier choice, might be just to make sure they don't lose Alyssa and because Kern had enough of her.
It's true that had Phoebe been killed, it means no real shift in the dynamic, that I'd hope all Paige gets is orbing and just Premonitions. Even if a part of me thinks Piper going would solve all sorts of problems moving forward.
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Post by Elle Em on Sept 14, 2018 7:09:17 GMT -5
They could have explained Phoebe's death much easier, especially since we had already seen Prue and Piper healed after Shax's attack once. It makes sense that Leo was in the underworld with Phoebe the second time around and was probably delayed getting back to them, and by that time, Prue had died. But it's a bit of a puzzle to work through, because they both went through the same wall, and the first time Leo healed them, he told them both that they almost died. To then have Prue be the one who actually dies while Piper is able to be healed is just unbalanced with what we saw before. It seems like if one died, the other should too.
If Phoebe died, the first episode of season 4 could have been Leo healing Prue and Piper as before. They wake up confused, asking where Phoebe is. Leo quickly explains the situation, and they hurry off to the underworld to save her. Only they either find her dead (and possibly Cole too), or they can't find her and their attempts to find her magically result in them finding Paige instead, leading to the reveal that she's actually their sister.
We saw what happened when Piper and Phoebe lost Prue, and how bad it was for their characters. If they lost Phoebe, I don't think Prue and Piper would change so fundamentally, especially since Paige and Phoebe are so much alike.
Prue would remain the oldest, although her grief and guilt over losing Phoebe would probably make her closed off to Paige for quite some time, and perhaps we'd see her as we saw Piper in Centennial Charmed, obsessed with fighting evil and losing sight of everything else.
Piper would be heartbroken, but she'd still have her best friend Prue to be her support system and guide in life, as Prue had always been to her. The two of them would become even closer, I think.
But I think the best scenario is for Piper to die, and then for Leo to decide to let his soul be recycled in the hopes that the two of them would end up together in their next lives, as they had ended up together before. Then even if the sisters did get assigned a new whitelighter, that whitelighter wouldn't become a part of their family and make little whitelighter babies that ultimately changed the show so much. Or even better, Paige being a half whitelighter would be able to tap into her healing powers and work as both a whitelighter and witch with her sisters so there would be no need to bring in an extra character.
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