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Post by jdpm1991 on Aug 7, 2015 17:49:20 GMT -5
What if Shax had thrown Piper through the wall first instead of Prue and Prue was thrown second? Now putting the behind the scenes issues aside, could Prue had survived if Piper was hit first?
Also does anybody thing it's stupid that Prue didn't use her telekinesis on the doctor? Why push him?
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 7, 2015 17:54:09 GMT -5
No, I've always believed that the reason why Prue died and Piper didn't is because Prue went through a full wall, while Piper went through the wall weakened by Prue's collision with it.
Personally I think it's stupid that Prue didn't use her power to move things with her mind to throw Shax and/or Piper either explode him or freeze him. They both just stood there as if they'd never seen a demon before. One of many stupid things in that episode which is why it's not even in my Top 50 Episodes. Just because it's Shannen's last one doesn't make it a favorite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 18:03:05 GMT -5
One has to remember, that when that scene was filmed, no one knew that Shannen would be fired.
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Post by West on Aug 7, 2015 18:15:35 GMT -5
No, I've always believed that the reason why Prue died and Piper didn't is because Prue went through a full wall, while Piper went through the wall weakened by Prue's collision with it. Personally I think it's stupid that Prue didn't use her power to move things with her mind to throw Shax and/or Piper either explode him or freeze him. They both just stood there as if they'd never seen a demon before. One of many stupid things in that episode which is why it's not even in my Top 50 Episodes. Just because it's Shannen's last one doesn't make it a favorite. Yes a bad script but wonderful directed episode by Shannen. It felt rushed, as if Kern had went all out to make it big but it has plot holes.
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Post by Sadrick on Aug 7, 2015 19:47:21 GMT -5
I think it's very likely that Prue could have survived. In fact, she would be alive and kicking during S4 had Shannen not been fired which forced the writers to fabricate whatever excuse they could think up within a short time frame to justify her lack of appearance. That excuse was Leo only being able to heal one of the two, in spite of the fact that we clearly saw him place a respective hand over each sister and restore them both to full health during the season finale.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 23:14:09 GMT -5
One has to remember, that when that scene was filmed, no one knew that Shannen would be fired. Yes, it's very important to keep this in mind when talking about that scene. The ONLY reason Prue was killed going through that wall was because Shannen was fired. Prue would've otherwise been back to normal in 4x01 as if nothing happened. I agree with everyone that's said that "All Hell Breaks Loose" actually wasn't that strong of an episode. Take away the context of Shannen's firing, and you have a pretty sloppily-written episode that was only saved by good acting and directing on the part of Shannen and Holly. At best, it's about on par with "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World" from Season 6--not the worst ever, but not the best, either. It's obvious that this episode's only popular with fans because it's Shannen's last.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 0:20:05 GMT -5
If Shannan had been fired after Seasons One or Two, Prue's absence would have been a lot harder to explain away.
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Post by West on Aug 8, 2015 0:26:39 GMT -5
If Shannan had been fired after Seasons One or Two, Prue's absence would have been a lot harder to explain away. Also taken into account, what if P3H20 never was written. How they would create Paige. Probably end up being an older sister who Patty had before Victor. Imagine if she stayed on one more season and was fired after season 4, but by that point, I'd probably expect them to end the series given by that point The Source would be defeated by seasons end. It could of meant Kern would be forced to not fire her, and instead had no episode written as a loop-hole to explain her absence. Meaning things could of worked better in Shannen's favor. Still he would of fired her, and tried to come up with something. But I'd imagine pulling a recast of Prue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 0:28:35 GMT -5
Considering the rubbish we were handed in the later seasons, I think most fans wish Shannen HAD stayed one more season.
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Post by West on Aug 8, 2015 0:33:21 GMT -5
Considering the rubbish we were handed in the later seasons, I think most fans wish Shannen HAD stayed one more season. Agreed. I would of been perfectly happy if it did turn out that way. While even if Paige still came, at least we would have had 4 seasons of both sisters. Plus Paige's introduction in season 5 would of spared us the terrible writing in 5, since it would be about her introduction season, and in season 5 it would of been better. Thats what I wished did happen if we had to loose Shannen/Prue but it happened where the stories could work better and not shoving Prue's arcs onto Paige for 4.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 0:35:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. Because that moron, Kern, fired Shannen between seasons, they had to basically throw out the original beginning of Season Four and start again, because they needed to bring Paige in.
Had P3H2O not been made, that might have posed a problem. Yeah, Patty would have had to say something like "Oh yeah, I have another daughter, that I had before I met Victor."
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Post by West on Aug 8, 2015 0:45:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. Because that moron, Kern, fired Shannen between seasons, they had to basically throw out the original beginning of Season Four and start again, because they needed to bring Paige in. Had P3H2O not been made, that might have posed a problem. Yeah, Patty would have had to say something like "Oh yeah, I have another daughter, that I had before I met Victor." I know how terrible, that sucks. Stupid Kern he only made things worse doing that, by throwing out the original season 4 to bring in Paige. I remember reading stuff between seasons, and how great season 4 was going to be with Prue still there. How they would save Phoebe, but thats what fan fiction is for. I love reading peoples stories of the show that was suppose to happen after season 4. True I'd imagine it would of been like that. Had she been an older sister, then I cant see Rose being cast as Paige, they would of hired an actress close or older to Shannen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 0:50:20 GMT -5
As I have said, the whole Phoebe Queen Of the Underworld was supposed to have opened Season Four. Of course, they had to push it back, because Paige had to be brought in.
However, when you listen to the dialogue that Paige spouts when the Dark Phoebe arc begins, her whole sudden anti-Cole stance, it seems she's saying things Prue would say. Clearly, those lines were originally written for Shannen, not Rose.
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Post by West on Aug 8, 2015 0:57:41 GMT -5
As I have said, the whole Phoebe Queen Of the Underworld was supposed to have opened Season Four. Of course, they had to push it back, because Paige had to be brought in. However, when you listen to the dialogue that Paige spouts when the Dark Phoebe arc begins, her whole sudden anti-Cole stance, it seems she's saying things Prue would say. Clearly, those lines were originally written for Shannen, not Rose. Yes thats right, I did read about that. I know, it felt so Prue-like, except for a handful of Paige original episodes, it was basically Prue's arc and original story. When was the source going to die you reckon, still the end of the season. As if Phoebe's queen of the underworld in the opener, does that mean The Source simply possess Cole like he did to Paige's boyfriend. The charmed ones hadn't meet him face to face yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 5:35:49 GMT -5
That's a good question. I wonder how far along they were in developing that storyline when Shannen got fired.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 7:19:23 GMT -5
When was the source going to die you reckon, still the end of the season. As if Phoebe's queen of the underworld in the opener, does that mean The Source simply possess Cole like he did to Paige's boyfriend. The charmed ones hadn't meet him face to face yet. I think that'd be a good way to do it. As I've said before, I've never liked the Source's face reveal...I think he's much more sinister hidden. So having him possess Cole might be a good way to have him at the forefront more, while still keeping him hidden behind a mask so to speak.
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Post by West on Aug 8, 2015 7:56:39 GMT -5
When was the source going to die you reckon, still the end of the season. As if Phoebe's queen of the underworld in the opener, does that mean The Source simply possess Cole like he did to Paige's boyfriend. The charmed ones hadn't meet him face to face yet. I think that'd be a good way to do it. As I've said before, I've never liked the Source's face reveal...I think he's much more sinister hidden. So having him possess Cole might be a good way to have him at the forefront more, while still keeping him hidden behind a mask so to speak. I so love this, It worked so much better like in charmed again when he possess his victims when above ground, and no face shown. I liked this. It worked so well in Charmed Again and Brain Drain. Thats how he should be appearing always, and in the underworld in his hooded form in red. A good way would be if he doesn't reveal himself to the charmed ones right away, he continues possession until they learn its the source doing that with Cole. Until they find out, and save Phoebe. Theres no need to ever see his real face, save that for the underworld in few episodes, which again is only hooded. Like why would the source of all evil show its face above ground. It made no sense. What they did in early episodes possessing demons and innocents made way more sense, and worked.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 8, 2015 7:58:38 GMT -5
I think that'd be a good way to do it. As I've said before, I've never liked the Source's face reveal...I think he's much more sinister hidden. So having him possess Cole might be a good way to have him at the forefront more, while still keeping him hidden behind a mask so to speak. I so love this, It worked so much better like in charmed again when he possess his victims when above ground, and no face shown. I liked this. It worked so well in Charmed Again and Brain Drain. Thats how he should be appearing always, and in the underworld in his hooded form in red. A good way would be if he doesn't reveal himself to the charmed ones right away, he continues possession until they learn its the source doing that with Cole. Until they find out, and save Phoebe. Theres no need to ever see his real face, save that for the underworld in few episodes, which again is only hooded. Like why would the source of all evil show its face above ground. It made no sense. What they did in early episodes possessing demons and innocents made way more sense, and worked. Totally agree with you guys on this.
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 24, 2017 23:10:32 GMT -5
I wish. So many directions going in anyway possible. If it had been me I start where season three left off. The sisters search for Phoebe going on for a two parter. Black as Cole would be the third episode keeping bounty hunters off his trail and it would take off from there till they vanquish the source. I'd he had made appearances he would be possessed and taking Cole over in five would be perfect for setting it all up.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 14:01:13 GMT -5
Putting this theory in context, I do believe this could happen. However, I much preferred that Leo saved both Piper and Prue, and Phoebe died in the underworld, instead. I would've loved Prue and Piper going out on adventures with Paige. I often wonder how that would turn out.
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