|
Post by jdpm1991 on Feb 16, 2016 19:09:50 GMT -5
The whole Pride thing and Prue being full of pride, and Prue died because of her thinking she was smart enough to push Griffiths out of the way instead of just using her telekinesis power and throw Shax against the dang wall.
Do you think "Sin Francisco" was foreshadowing Prue's death?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 19:20:40 GMT -5
Since they had no idea that Shannen would be fired, I'd have to say no.
|
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?" Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,903
|
Post by Esmeralda on Feb 16, 2016 20:04:08 GMT -5
The whole Pride thing and Prue being full of pride, and Prue died because of her thinking she was smart enough to push Griffiths out of the way instead of just using her telekinesis power and throw Shax against the dang wall. Do you think "Sin Francisco" was foreshadowing Prue's death? I've always wondered when Aaron Spelling was first thinking about firing Shannen...both that and "Death Takes a Halliwell" could be looked at as foreshadowings even though neither were... But I agree totally that there's something a bit strange that it was the first time her pride was mentioned and that's what caused her death - that and "Morality Bites" making her think that nothing could happen to them before 2009....
|
|
|
Post by esperanzaa on Feb 16, 2016 23:26:34 GMT -5
Wasn't it ironic that with all of the inconsistencies through out the show, the writers were very consistent with foreshadowing Prue's death? Something that just happened because of the situation off-screen.
In P3 H2O: Prue says that it's very likely that she will also die young Death takes a Halliwell. When the Angel of Death says it's not your time, well not YET In Prewitched. The ghost says something like "when someone is taken from you suddenly - there are no goodbyes" (just watched it today) In Sin-Fransisco as mentioned in this thread
Maybel there's even some another mention which I forgot now.
|
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?" Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,903
|
Post by Esmeralda on Feb 16, 2016 23:52:25 GMT -5
Wasn't it ironic that with all of the inconsistencies through out the show, the writers were very consistent with foreshadowing Prue's death? Something that just happened because of the situation off-screen. In P3 H2O: Prue says that it's very likely that she will also die young Death takes a Halliwell. When the Angel of Death says it's not your time, well not YET In Prewitched. The ghost says something like "when someone is taken from you suddenly - there are no goodbyes" (just watched it today) In Sin-Fransisco as mentioned in this thread Maybe there's even some another mention which I forgot now. Well, I'm pretty certain that the 'P3 H20' thing was a coincidence, just like it wasn't written just so they'd be able to fall back on someone like Paige if Shannen was fired. In Season Two, all three actresses got along fine and were great friends - Holly and Shannen were bridesmaids at Alyssa's wedding. Like the others, I do think it's just a coincidence - strange ones, definitely, but coincidence all the same - not done on purpose the way some fans think Coop was given that name so it would start with a "C" like the apple peel in "All Halliwell's Eve". All of this is giving Brad Kern and the writers a bit too much credit in my book. Like you said, they weren't known for consistency...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 1:16:26 GMT -5
Mark your calendars folks, I'm about to agree with Es on something, it was just coincidence.
As I said, no one, not Shannen, not the writers, knew that S3 would be Prue's last season. Shannen was fired during the summer hiatus, meaning S3 was all in the can when that happened. As I have also said, a few S4 episodes were clearly written with Prue in mind and had to be changed last minute to incorporate Paige.
Now, one can read foreshadowing, because of the way things played out, but, once again, a coincidence, nothing more.
|
|
|
Post by esperanzaa on Feb 17, 2016 10:28:55 GMT -5
Esmeralda @tim66 you both misunderstood me, okay, I think I wasn't very clear. What I meant is that although Prue's death was decided suddenly because of what happened off-screen, there had been so many signs and indicators for it way before, so someone, who doesn't know about the Shannen story might get the impression that the writers were very consistent, something that they reaally do not deserve credit for. I certainly did not mean that when the writers wrote P3 H2O, that they had had the Paige storyline in mind. There were just a couple of weird coincidences, that turned out very good for the producers and writers.
|
|
|
Post by Sadrick on Feb 17, 2016 15:15:06 GMT -5
It doesn't help that Prue died twice before at the end of Season 1 and Season 2. The difference is she managed to get brought back. I suppose third time wasn't the charm for her in that regard.
|
|
|
Post by sol on Feb 17, 2016 17:48:49 GMT -5
Indeed, it was Piper the sister who died the most
- in Deja Vu All Over Again
- in Awakened
-in Coyote Piper
And finally in All Hell Breaks Loose
At the end of the third season, I was hoping that no one was dead, but I was afraid that instead this time Piper was seriously dead
|
|
|
Post by adzpower on Feb 17, 2016 17:59:33 GMT -5
I don't buy that the producers didn't know about getting rid of Shannen. Even if they hadn't decided properly until the summer break there must have been discussions beforehand probably without her included.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 19:06:49 GMT -5
Well, that means the writers weren't included either. Look at the opening of Season Four, it practically screams "last minute re-write".
This clearly indicates that no one saw it coming.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 8:14:44 GMT -5
I am of the opinion the Kern and some of the other "important people" were pretty sure that either Alyssa or Shannen would be going after S3, mostly likely Shannen. How else do you explain them giving Piper her exploding power out of the blue? It was clearly a contingency move to prepare Piper to take Prue's place as the strongest sister if needed. Lord knows how they would've worked around this had Shannen stayed. No doubt they would've given Prue her 'Morality Bites' power (or similar) and the sisters would've been even more ridiculously overpowered. And anyway, hasn't Shannen said publicly that she was willing to put her differences with Alyssa aside and do Season 4? So clearly the wheels were put in motion for her firing for some time beforehand. It wasn't just a last minute decision.
So yes, I do think there was a fair bit of teaser foreshadowing of Prue's death, particularly in 'Death Takes a Halliwell', but I think it was fairly generic. Phoebe was "in danger" for most of the season because of Cole so any foreshadowing of her possible death would've been less discernible. Piper never needed any "impending doom" moments because Holly was never going to be fired.
|
|
|
Post by sol on Feb 18, 2016 9:48:46 GMT -5
I reported here, time ago,an interview with Shannen Doherty in which she said clearly that both she and Spellling feared that she'ld be arrested during the filming of the second part of the season 3
Mercifully, the trial was carried out at the end of filming the third season but Shannen admits that she was afraid of being arrested and face up three years in jail
Why pretend it never existed this danger when Shannen was the first to say so clearly?
Spelling didn't say to anyone that risked not being able to finish the third season but it's presumable that he thought about what to do in case it happned, it'ld be irresponsible not to do this
Otherwise, Piper was the sister more often dead
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 11:55:51 GMT -5
Then why the inconsistency between the end of All Hell Breaks Loose and the start of Charmed Again. BOTH these episodes were written by Brad Kern. If Kern was planning to fire Shannen all along, then AHBL would have most likely ended with Prue definitely dead. However, that didn't happen, we ended with Prue and Piper lying near death, and Phoebe, Cole, and Leo trapped in the Underworld.
Charmed Again opened with everyone safely back at the Manor, and the whole S3 cliff hanger was hand waved away (Boy, that was a close one, wasn't it. Too bad about Prue.) Clearly, CA was a rewrite and the way it was done indicated that Kern did not have the time to properly address the problems he created when he fired Shannen.
Furthermore, why did Kern wait until Shannen was thousands of miles away, here in Canada, shooting a TV movie, and then fired her over the phone. Was he too much of a gutless coward to tell her to her face? Surely, if he'd been planning for months to fire her, he would have told her before she left for Canada.
It was, wait for it, bad writing. They were never consistent with that whole powers thing. I mean what did levitation have to do with having visions of the past and future, and don't even get me started on that empathy rubbish (whoever thought of turning Phoebe into a second rate Deanna Troi should be dragged out into the street and shot).
What I think happened was this: After S3 ended, Shannen had opinions on the direction of the show and her character. Opinions that were just too much for Kern and his sugar daddy, Aaron Spelling's, male egos. I mean how dare this uppity woman tell them how to run their show? Who the hell did she think she was? Get into the kitchen and rattle those pots and pans, you silly woman. Clearly, Shannen had to go, because she bruised their male egos.
Sad that Hollywood works this way in the 21st Century, but it does. I mean within a year of being canned from Two And A Half Men for his drinking and doping, Charlie Sheen was working again (on Anger Management) and Charlie did a LOT more damage than Shannen did. He caused them to abandon half a season of TAAHM, putting hundreds of people out of work.
Shannen, on the other hand, hasn't had a decent role since her firing from Charmed, 15 years ago (Reality shows and rubbish Syfy Channel movies don't count, IMO).
How come Charlie got a pass and Shannen didn't. Simple, he's a man, she's a woman. End of story.
|
|
|
Post by adzpower on Feb 18, 2016 14:14:28 GMT -5
Then why the inconsistency between the end of All Hell Breaks Loose and the start of Charmed Again. BOTH these episodes were written by Brad Kern. If Kern was planning to fire Shannen all along, then AHBL would have most likely ended with Prue definitely dead. However, that didn't happen, we ended with Prue and Piper lying near death, and Phoebe, Cole, and Leo trapped in the Underworld.
Charmed Again opened with everyone safely back at the Manor, and the whole S3 cliff hanger was hand waved away (Boy, that was a close one, wasn't it. Too bad about Prue.) Clearly, CA was a rewrite and the way it was done indicated that Kern did not have the time to properly address the problems he created when he fired Shannen. Furthermore, why did Kern wait until Shannen was thousands of miles away, here in Canada, shooting a TV movie, and then fired her over the phone. Was he too much of a gutless coward to tell her to her face? Surely, if he'd been planning for months to fire her, he would have told her before she left for Canada. It was, wait for it, bad writing. They were never consistent with that whole powers thing. I mean what did levitation have to do with having visions of the past and future, and don't even get me started on that empathy rubbish (whoever thought of turning Phoebe into a second rate Deanna Troi should be dragged out into the street and shot). What I think happened was this: After S3 ended, Shannen had opinions on the direction of the show and her character. Opinions that were just too much for Kern and his sugar daddy, Aaron Spelling's, male egos. I mean how dare this uppity woman tell them how to run their show? Who the hell did she think she was? Get into the kitchen and rattle those pots and pans, you silly woman. Clearly, Shannen had to go, because she bruised their male egos. Sad that Hollywood works this way in the 21st Century, but it does. I mean within a year of being canned from Two And A Half Men for his drinking and doping, Charlie Sheen was working again (on Anger Management) and Charlie did a LOT more damage than Shannen did. He caused them to abandon half a season of TAAHM, putting hundreds of people out of work. Shannen, on the other hand, hasn't had a decent role since her firing from Charmed, 15 years ago (Reality shows and rubbish Syfy Channel movies don't count, IMO). How come Charlie got a pass and Shannen didn't. Simple, he's a man, she's a woman. End of story. I think I can debate this point Tim, at the end of season 3, ALL the sisters were left in precarious situations, Phoebe trapped in the underworld after The Source had ordered her death, Piper and Prue unconsciouss and half dead after being attacked by Shax, I think it ended like that so that it wouldn't have been much of a surprise as to who died since they all potentially could have with endings like that. This way, no matter who they decided to get rid of, it could be explained.
|
|
|
Post by sol on Feb 18, 2016 18:02:08 GMT -5
Kafka'ld love certain scipted
Doherty in first person said what happened, how nervous with everyoneshe was because of the fear of being arrested but no, better to ignore it and chase their obsessions fabricating news
I'm going to read something more meaningful
|
|
|
Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 19, 2016 14:39:54 GMT -5
I know Shannen and Kern had their differences. As for the episodes I thought maybe they were all destined to die young.
|
|
Aaeiyn
Whitelighter
✨The Amazing Phoebe✨
Posts: 4,743
|
Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 14:17:48 GMT -5
I don't think Sin Francisco foreshadowed her death, but I think Death Takes a Halliwell did.
|
|