November 2018, the Charmed Ones died

[sol]

For fun,  with my friends in 2006 we wrote the worst fanfic ever written, but we still had so much
fun

We wrote of the death of the sisters and to doing that we had to re-write the history of that timeline by the Titans onwards

Those were our deductions


Titans: Chris says he doesn't want to change too much the future, only a surgical strike: this contradicts the earlier statement he was from a future dominated by the Titans

It 'clear that this is the story to follow mentioned with Bianca in the attic: they studied the right time in order that Chris became the sisters whitelighter , the one in which Leo turned Elder
In addition to telling a lot of lies, Chris does nothing to stop the attack of the Titans, he only replaces Phoebe who was going to pull her potions against them

In the original timeline, the sisters defeated the Titans, Leo became an Elder but allowed himself to spend time near them, not daring to propose any Whitelighter in place of him

The events of Valhalley of the Dolls cannot happen they were linked to Chirs

It happens the dragon episode, in fact, the accident caused by Wyatt is a good excuse for the Cleaners - that are not neutral - to intervene,they were members of the faction who fears Wyatt and is worried
-a good explanation to understand why they didn't come when Prue exposed the magic

The events of The Power of Three Blondes instead happened and it was Leo who is able to recognize his Piper

According to our reconstruction, Leo struggles to leave his family, so that Gideon intervenes causing the events of The Courtship of Wyatt's Father, even in the original timeline Chris is conceived in tthis way

Piper's pregnancy is a quiet pregnancy not being complicated by demons hunt, for Gideon is not difficult, when her water breaks,to find a way to ward off Leo and kidnap Wyatt


Kill Wyatt is not easy in any timeline, the kid escapes and  Paige or Leo are able to find him, shocked and scared and no one will ever know who kidnapped him

This is essential because it changes the story: Leo didn't freak out in front of a betrayal that he cannot know, he didn't attract Avatars's attention, Leo remains a reliable Elder,a  concerned father of a shocked child and of another child who is a normal  Halliwell witch, much easier to grow

Nothing Zankou and nothing entry into hiding then, the life of the sisters become quiet: no Big Evil, only the usual innocents to save and innocent children to raise


So far ours were a logical reconstructions, following there are our choices

In our reconstruction
:

Piper between children and the restaurant is too busy,she  has some sporadic relationship but remains tied to Leo

Paige still meets Henry, they adopt a child devoid of powers and give birth to the twin (for those who are curious, remembering Paige's love for the fairy tales we had called a sister Talia - the original name of Sleeping Beauty- the other Wendy), who have no Whitelighter power, but the same orbing TK of their mother

Phoebe finds a way to tell Jason that she is a witch and Jason at first accepts, then, when he realizes how dangerous are their life, hw breaks up with her
They never get married, but they have a daughter, Prudence, the same age as Chris
Phoebe also has some sporadic relationship but between her daughter and her job she doen't feel the lack of love. She lives at the Manor with Piper and her nephews 

With this background, we get to November 2018, when they are killed

By Billie and Christy of course


The Triad prefer to work in the shadows and quietly, the power of the CO grows but Billie has to grow and they have to train Christy and steal powers for her takes time

The story of the friendship between the sisters and Billie progresses slowly over time, Billie ends college and starts working with Phoebe at the newspaper, they find Christy and help her in adapting to civilian life: the Jenkins enjoy the complete trust of the sisters


We arrive at the perfect time


It's Chris's birthday, it's Saturday afternoon, Piper cooks birthday dinner, they'll have several guests, the Darryl family, the adoptive family of Tyler,  Derek with his son and his new wife

Phoebe packs the gifts, Paige decorates the room, a calm and relaxed family picture

The six kids, Victor and Henry, orbited on a Caribbean beach for a day of snorkeling

The Jenkins comes to help,after casting a spell to isolate the house so that the boys can " feel" what is going to happen and to prevent a possible Paige's escape

According to us, not to fail they have to hit with a killing potion simultaneously Piper and Phoebe, the two most powerful - Phoebe has developed her empathic power - behind, to avoid any reaction

They hit Piper while she is ben tover the oven, while Phoebe is lifting a parcel, then they attack and kill Paige


I stop and omit the rest of our old story

How you imagine their death in the original timeline?

[erikamarie]

I remember in Destined we talked about it, drawing the time between the Titans story (from that moment Chris unknowingly changes the timeline) and the death of the Charmed Ones, announced in Chris Crossed

I remember also that we agreed that the story of the Titans domain was a Chris's invention to take Leo's merits and replace him as the Charmed Ones whitelighter and that, having never found out who had kidnapped Wyatt, Leo had kept intact his confidence in the Elders and in Gideon

This trust frustrate the entire Avatars's story arc although about Zankou there were various opinions

Does anyone remember or have downloaded that debate?

It was itemized and lively, full of ideas

[sol]

I'm sorry I had never known that site, it had to be interesting a place where we'ld speak of something that wacn't Brad Kern phenomenology or the hatred for the sisters

In our view, there was no reason why Zankou could be released,I'd be curious to know what you said about it!

This boards is getting boring anyway

[erikamarie]

Some of the members though that a world without the Source would be in disarray and it was likely that a faction of demons eager for a strong leader to put an end to chaos would formed
Zankou appeared as the most powerful of the demons and, with Belthazor, one of the smartest, a great enemy to the Charmed Ones, it was hard to give up such a character
In this case, even in the original timeline Zankou came up against the sisters and many also liked the idea of a clandestine periods for the sisters, Something Wicca This Way Goes is an episode very much treasured

I still agree with you, thinking about how powerful Piper and Phobe'ld be in 2018, only friends'ld be able to kill them treacherously

[sol]

I found a nice board where talking of it, I'll report this opinion

[sol]

To Es and erikamarie, the only ones interested in the debate over the sisters's death

First: Es why have you deleted your post? I needed time to read and reply!

I found in a Spanish board a similar debate but the scenario included Zankou

This was the contest: as in Kill Bill Vol 2 some demons fear the return of the Triad and release Zankou

Zankou knows the Triad's plans and decides to get rid of both of Halliwell and the Jenkins sisters

Christy proposes a secret alliance with Zankou, but it's only a double play,she fights with the sisters to defeat him, she takes the opportunity to steal the powers and then, by treachery, she kills the Charmed Ones

[Esmeralda]

Mar 14, 2016 12:29:08 GMT -5 sol said:

To Es and erikamarie, the only ones interested in the debate over the sisters's death

First: Es why have you deleted your post? I needed time to read and reply!

I found in a Spanish board a similar debate but the scenario included Zankou

This was the contest: as in Kill Bill Vol 2 some demons fear the return of the Triad and release Zankou

Zankou knows the Triad's plans and decides to get rid of both of Halliwell and the Jenkins sisters

Christy proposes a secret alliance with Zankou, but it's only a double play,she fights with the sisters to defeat him, she takes the opportunity to steal the powers and then, by treachery, she kills the Charmed Ones

Now there's an ending I would've loved to have seen! So much better than the sappily-ever after we got. Especially if Paige panic-orbed and was the only one who survived...

The reason I deleted my post is after re-reading yours and the others and then mine, I found it didn't really fit the topic, and very long posts - like mine was - often get ignored. But if you (or others) want me to, I can certainly repost it.

[erikamarie]

In Chris Crossed the tour guide suggests that the Charmed Ones died together or at least I understood this

I'd rather the idea of Paige surviving at least a couple of years, working together with Victor and Henry to raise the kids

[Esmeralda]

Mar 15, 2016 11:16:15 GMT -5 erikamarie said:

In Chris Crossed the tour guide suggests that the Charmed Ones died together or at least I understood this

I'd rather the idea of Paige surviving at least a couple of years, working together with Victor and Henry to raise the kids

And Leo! The tour guide *suggests* that, but only says that they vanquished that many demons before they themselves were vanquished. To me that says that once one of them was vanquished, the others were no longer the Charmed Ones and couldn't do as much vanquishing and were probably then vanquished themselves.

Which proves that Chris lied in "Oh, My Goddess!" when he said that the Titans vanquished Paige. The Charmed Ones had *not* vanquished that many demons before "Oh, My Goddess!"

[sol]

Of course Chris lied on the Titans!

The proof is in his own actions in Oh My Godness, he not has the slightest intention to interfere in anything and let Paige is petrified as surely as had already happened in his past

The Titans' attack is the right time to get the role as Charmed Ones whitelighter and I susoect that it was a Bianca's idea

[Chrisaholic]

Did the sisters not also go back in time in "The 70's episodes" where they revealed themselves quickly? Yet at first, their Grams had sent them out, fearing they were imposters or anyone else. You have to remember this.

Besides, I bring up the trilogy "Back to the Future" again where Doc Brown said to be careful when you're in the past, changing anything. Yes, Chris had goals in his mind but he tried not to reveal so much. Unfortunately, the sisters in that field had not learn their lesson.

[erikamarie]

Mar 17, 2016 10:48:53 GMT -5 Chrisaholic said:

Did the sisters not also go back in time in "The 70's episodes" where they revealed themselves quickly? Yet at first, their Grams had sent them out, fearing they were imposters or anyone else. You have to remember this.

Besides, I bring up the trilogy "Back to the Future" again where Doc Brown said to be careful when you're in the past, changing anything. Yes, Chris had goals in his mind but he tried not to reveal so much. Unfortunately, the sisters in that field had not learn their lesson.

Although I cannot stand how they described the Greek goddesses and the Titans, I always loved Chris's entry into the attic

In Chris Crossed appears clearly that Bianca and Chris determined that this was the perfect time to become the sisters's whitelighter
Reviewing the episode, I like to see Chris wandering the attic smiling, enjoying that strange homecoming

[sol]

Maybe we have to talk again of Chris Crossed or, better, about Chris

[magena]

With this background, we get to November 2018, when they are killed



By Billie and Christy of course

Great, great idea, killed by friends, this is the only way the Charmed Ones'ld be murdered

So you think that Chris changed a lot of things saving Wyatt!
I understand that if Leo and the CO never knew who tried to kill the baby, the Avatars'ld not have arguments to enlist Leo
But the Avatars had already tried to recruit Cole, the'ld not have tried to have the sisters from their side to achieve Utopia?

Maybe Wyatt's kidnapping could have persuaded the sisters to help achieve a world without demons

[sol]

I think that Chris didn't want to change too much, the reason beacause his role in the fight against the Titans is fake

About Oh My Goddess

The Elders were on the alert

Leo: Just that the girls think, we all think, maybe we should ground all Whitelighters until we know for sure that it's safe.
Cecil: We agree. We'll initiate the orders as soon as you've returned to them. In the mean time, keep them working on this, it's important.
Leo: You're worried, aren't you?
Cecil: You know me better than that. At the end of the day, even we can't change what's meant to be. Just remember, no matter what happens, you must always follow your instincts to

Paige was already turned to stone when Chris orbed in the attic and all he had to do it was to throw 3 potions at the Titan, action that Phoebe was about to take


Phoebe: You knew the Titans were after the Elders, didn't you? Why didn't you tell us?
Chris: I told you, there's some things I can't tell you. Some things you need to figure out on your own.
Phoebe: Even at the risk of making things worse?

Chris doesn't recommend, doesn't inform, let everything happen as it happened, at the risk of infuriating the sisters because he wants to change nothing



Leo: Why didn't you tell me? Why did you let this happen!
Chris: Easy, easy!
Leo: Why!
Chris: Because this had to happen. It had to happen so you could do what has to be done.
Leo: What are you talking about? They're all dead. Gone.
Chris: No. Not all of them. Some of the Elders escaped back to earth but it won't be long before the Titans hunt them down too. But you can still stop them. You can still defeat the Titans.
Leo: How?
Chris: I think you know how

"you could do what has to be done" means you 'ld do what you did,Chris cannot interfere because rescuing the Elders would change the story, Leo'ld not become an elder, fact that has certainly influenced their family history


Chris desperately tries to change as little as possible, he fears he'ld even worsen things for his family, as to anticipate Piper's death or cause the death of other family members of whom we don't know

Chris believes that it was enough to kill the right daemon, on the contrary the discovery of the truth produces unimaginable changes, not as much distrust and the expulsion of the sisters but rather the devastation of Leo, betrayed by all that he believed good and right

This almost Leo's madness opens the door to the Avatars and then to Zankou and it's likely to hasten the Charmed Ones's death of 13 years


Mess with the past is a big problem!

[Chrisaholic]

Maybe not with the Titans and their world but that his world had changed with Wyatt as its leader in S6 was weird. He'd never gone back as he said himself he'd not know where to go to. So my question is how did the world's ruler change so fast?

[sol]

Sorry I'm not able to understand your point!

[Chrisaholic]

When Chris stepped in in S5, he said that the Titans ruled his world. Yet with the start of S6, it's suddenly Wyatt as the world's ruler. And we know that Chris never went back to his time, and so my question again why is Wyatt suddenly the world's ruler?

[magena]

I always though it was a lie, Bianca told him don't tell the sisters anything and to stick to his cover story: the cover story was Titans attack
Sol is right, in Oh My Goddess, Chris talked a lot but did nothing, he was very careful to change nothing

[unakite]

the story of the Titans domain was a Chris's invention to take Leo's merits and replace him as the Charmed Ones whitelighter and that, having never found out who had kidnapped Wyatt, Leo had kept intact his confidence in the Elders and in Gideon

This trust frustrate the entire Avatars's story arc

I found very appealing this theory

When Chris stepped in in S5, he said that the Titans ruled his world. Yet with the start of S6, it's suddenly Wyatt as the world's ruler.

Chris obviously lied

if he wanted really to stop the Titans, it would be enough to go before the Titans's  awakening and warn the Elders
Chris would not let kill the Elders but he did because he was afraid to change the past
He wished in a surgical strike, as he told in Chris Crossed

The reason I deleted my post is after re-reading yours and the others and then mine, I found it didn't really fit the topic, and very long posts - like mine was - often get ignored.

I am curious about your theories, it is compelling to speculate about what happened in the changed timeline