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Post by gzv969 on Mar 17, 2018 13:05:26 GMT -5
I'm sure there's many fanfics out there alternate or not which rectified the end sitution. Gzv969 when you mentioned about the back door it got me thinking about Pardon My Past having remembered the bit where Anton and Phoebe went out back by the kitchen door and so looked it up on YouTube to be sure. Here's the link. m.youtube.com/watch?v=LDICDsncKrISorry the audios not english. So it looks like the back kitchen door is on the left back corner of the house. And one can walk down the left side to the front which doubles as a walkway and parking, all the way into the back. I see the car right there. So Phoebe and Antoine went out through the back yard/garden and made a left to the back kitchen door. So it means in AHBL Piper and Prue must have gone out this back door and cut to the right through the back yard to the right side of the house which is a similar kind of driveway like on the left
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 17, 2018 16:27:03 GMT -5
That would be guess yes.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Mar 19, 2018 20:30:36 GMT -5
What I never understood was why Leo and Phoebe stayed in the underworld, so time resetting doesn't affect the underworld or the heavens dears. It was never confirmed in earlier seasons that time reversal affected Up There or not. In season 7, Leo accidentally reversed time, Elders knew that time was reversed because they sensed a time shift but that's about it. But since time moves differently Up There (1 earth month equals probably 3-4 hours heavenly time) or at least the area Leo and Piper were detained in. Even if Tempus' powers touched there, reversal would probably be like a few nanoseconds backwards. Time difference is a very interesting form of protection I never thought of before. Whitelighters mourning for lost charges will be happy to get another chance at not being sucky whitelighters. Which doesn't explain Elders' behavior when it comes to not sending another whitelighter to heal dying Prue and Piper. They obviously must've known Leo was in the Underworld. In fact it seemed like an Elder's idea to reverse time using Tempus in the first place. While I get they probably may have recalled all whitelighters so they wouldn't be exposed either, but once everything went back to the beginning, why not send one whitelighter out of the many hanging around in heaven for healing? Does time reversal make whitelighters so sick that they puke uncontrollably or spontaneously combust? Or is their whitelighter transformation reversed, making them humans who turn old and wrinkly before exploding into dust? It's highly doubtful they could see time being reversed. And even if they could and they orbed, they would have to pass through Earth and would be caught in the reversal power themselves and then....perhaps forget everything? If not get killed(well Phoebe will) by a reverse speeding airplane or bus or car, huge crowd, or all of the above because they got trapped in going backwards themselves in the wrong spot. Kinda gruesome death to be killed by objects and people moving in reverse and be totally helpless to stop it. But besides that, the condition of time reversal was if Phoebe stayed down in the Underworld and joined evil, only then time reversal would take place and she could bring Piper back to life. So if the deal was not honored by Phoebe, I suppose Piper would've dropped dead? Even after time reversal? Atleast that's what Phoebe and Leo would've feared and not risked making a break for it if they could for the Heavens. Your right dear, that them leaving wouldn't have given them time and they would have been affected by the time reversal entering Earth and going to the Heavens or Up There. It's too bad that they only relied on Leo that nobody else couldn't have healed Piper and Prue. Of course, only Leo was assigned, but you would think they would be worried what happened to Leo who was in the underworld. I guess time wouldn't have mattered, because, after the time reversal, Leo was supposed to be on Earth or the Heavens, but if the Heavens are unaffected by the time reset, they would *know* where Leo was right? So send another whitelighter to heal Prue and Piper. I'm sure there's many fanfics out there alternate or not which rectified the end sitution. Gzv969 when you mentioned about the back door it got me thinking about Pardon My Past having remembered the bit where Anton and Phoebe went out back by the kitchen door and so looked it up on YouTube to be sure. Here's the link. m.youtube.com/watch?v=LDICDsncKrISorry the audios not english. So it looks like the back kitchen door is on the left back corner of the house. And one can walk down the left side to the front which doubles as a walkway and parking, all the way into the back. I see the car right there. So Phoebe and Antoine went out through the back yard/garden and made a left to the back kitchen door. So it means in AHBL Piper and Prue must have gone out this back door and cut to the right through the back yard to the right side of the house which is a similar kind of driveway like on the left That's very interesting dear, I never noticed this. Great work for picking up on this.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 20, 2018 5:43:58 GMT -5
I think the driveway Prue and Piper walked down in AHBL was next doors one shrouded by the tree here but shown in the next. Perhaps like gzv969 said there was a door on the right hand side of the house which Prue and Piper came out of which comes out onto that driveway and the one on the left seen in Pardon My Past was designated for Halliwell Manor. Funnily enough there's a side door also which I don't know if it's being mentioned here or not which backs onto the dining room of the real house in Carroll Avenue that was never seen on the show which I assume is accessed from the path of the driveway maybe.
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Post by astralp on Mar 10, 2019 16:16:39 GMT -5
Fun fact about AHBL (from one of the Charmed conventions—might have been the Paris convention): It was actually the quickest episodes they filmed, supposedly because of Shannen's direction. It was probably one of the reasons why things were really fast-paced and different in tone—action-oriented direction, having a high stakes finale, and efficiency (probably in the number of takes needed).
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Post by latincoffee on Apr 12, 2019 19:20:50 GMT -5
They were too reckless, almost to the point of it being completely unbelievable. Walking around the neighborhood in broad daylight, searching for a demon? It's beyond careless and stupid. I liked the idea behind it, that their magic was exposed to the world and they were being hunted for it by reporters and crazy people. But it happened way, way too fast. No one in their right mind would become convinced of magic through that one news clip they were caught on fighting Shax. I could see someone crazy like Alice believing it was magic and stalking them, but no news reporters or anything like that. It should have been built up over a much longer time, maybe half a season. Perhaps they're caught using magic in public by some nosy reporter who won't let go of the idea that there's something supernatural about them. He or she stalks them and gathers more evidence, and let others slowly know about them. The sisters are followed and asked questions when they leave the house. Then maybe they make the reporter angry or are caught on video doing something undeniably magical, and the story is let out to the public. It spreads from San Francisco to the rest of the world over a period of a day or so, and the police get involved. Then they have to find a way to reverse time to undo the whole thing from happening, or a way to erase the knowledge. Maybe this leads them to the idea that the only solution is to vanquish the Source, and afterwards to relinquish their powers, as they discover that no longer having powers means that all their previous ties to magic are severed and that the world will forget about their secret. So we have a super intense, two-part finale where they have to scramble to vanquish the Source and fight off demons who are ready to defend him, while also defending themselves from the police, reporters, and crazy people who want to get near them. There's an intense battle, but they win, and let go of their powers to save the rest of their lives and be able to live in peace. Then the show can end with their destiny fulfilled and their normal lives returned to them. I think the writers didn't know what to do and were probably trying to come up with crazy ideas for the next season as Prue was being written off and they had to come up with ideas of writing Paige in for the next season. It did seem way off! Funny enough--it was directed by Shannen Doherty.
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Post by ryang on May 7, 2019 15:27:23 GMT -5
Yeah, everyone always asks about the missing episode between 3.22 and 4.01 -- I've wondered about all of the missing episodes or scenes between 3.01-3.21 and 3.22. Nathaniel Pratt would have been great in this episode (the editor of that TV station?).
In addition to the other plot holes and plot possibilities pointed out, there was nothing stopping the show from showing Leo saving Phoebe and Cole and exploring how that played out since it didn't involve Shannen. Also, they could have shown Leo attempting to save Prue and successfully healing Piper without showing Shannen's face (think showing Prue's back in "Cat House").
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Post by gzv969 on May 7, 2019 18:14:25 GMT -5
In order to show phoebe and cole’s escape and return with Leo, they would have to show prue and piper together in some way. As well as show some degree of mourning over her. It probably would have looked awkward to no show prue at all. That’s probably why that whole part was skipped. Though if the writers really wanted to show us something, they could have used a look a like body. But I guess the producers weren’t willing to show us anything at all relating to prue.
As far as a missing episode, we will never know. It was rumored that Shannon filmed some parts beyond season 3s AHBL before she was fired and all that apparently ended up on the cutting floor. Though some outside the US claim they got to see it. But that was all a rumor.
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Post by summerreading on May 7, 2019 20:37:40 GMT -5
They really had no choice unless you had started S4 in the underworld and Leo rushes to Prue and Piper to heal them and can't with Prue all offscreen. He comea back to get Phoebe and that's when we learn Prue is dead to have Phoebe or something come back to the manor with Prue's dead body covered and hug Piper.
Now if Shannen allowed rights to her image and or her contract didn't give her control over her image, so when she was fired they could do what they'd like. They'd be able to pull it off with a body double or dummy of Prue for her dead body.
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Post by gzv969 on May 8, 2019 15:05:50 GMT -5
How Shannen was able to have the rights to her image written into her contract continues to amaze me. She must’ve had good foresight to know something like this could happen. Must have been something she learned to do after her Beverly 90210 days. It’s not something I see a lot of actors being able to do. Many times actors get fired or written out and their characters replaced with others .
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Post by pheebs on May 8, 2019 15:22:02 GMT -5
How Shannen was able to have the rights to her image written into her contract continues to amaze me. She must’ve had good foresight to know something like this could happen. Must have been something she learned to do after her Beverly 90210 days. It’s not something I see a lot of actors being able to do. Many times actors get fired or written out and their characters replaced with others . Exactly. Must have been. I don't see many actors being able to do it. Interesting to note it only affected the episodes and live media. It didn't impact her image being used on merchandise like a DVD cover or the Charmed magazines. And I've seen overseas trailers for promoting Charmed on YouTube somewhere a few years back (seasons after she died) used Prue in them yet the WB promos couldn't after Shannen left. Weird. Like ones in S8 showcasing the shows history and it coming to an end. Surprises me Prue couldn't be used in the Charmed novels after 2001 since it doesn't require her image. And why the Charmed Again novel didn't show us what happened between S3 and S4.
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Post by ryang on May 9, 2019 21:27:44 GMT -5
Filming usually wraps in March-April for a season and begins in July. I doubt anything was pre-filmed then for season 4. I highly suspect - especially with Piper's second power - that Prue's death was planned.
Even flashbacks or premonitions from Phoebe could have been a nice touch in filling in some of those blanks... that way they could show what they wanted.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on May 21, 2019 3:35:47 GMT -5
True. You could've had Charmed Again Part 1 start as an idea with Phoebe asleep recalling what happened when Leo told her, Cole and him to leave the Underworld depicting events afterwards with Cole shimmering wherever to avoid Bounty Hunters and Leo trying to heal Prue and Piper in the manor not succeeding with Prue off screen if they couldn't use Shannen's image then Piper and Phoebe organising Prue's funeral with Phoebe waking up if she heard Piper upstairs in the Attic moving onto the next scene with Piper trying to get Prue back before Phoebe walked in.
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Post by chrisekin on Jun 9, 2019 17:00:48 GMT -5
youtu.be/KPSUmg95j3Y Hi friends, i have a question; did anybody see this promo of all hell breaks loose? Because it sounds like its truly missing part 2, in the promo they say; “ and last week evil won “ so was there originally a part 2 to it? I know there is a lot discussions on the internet about this but i was just wondering..
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Jun 9, 2019 20:13:46 GMT -5
youtu.be/KPSUmg95j3Y Hi friends, i have a question; did anybody see this promo of all hell breaks loose? Because it sounds like its truly missing part 2, in the promo they say; “ and last week evil won “ so was there originally a part 2 to it? I know there is a lot discussions on the internet about this but i was just wondering.. That's a fanmade promo, and not one that aired on television sadly. As for the Part 2 debate, Part 2 doesn't exist, because Shannen was fired after S3 finished filming, and they were forced to jump from the cliffhanger to what they had at the start of S4, because Shannen owed the rights to her image, and couldn't recycle anything to show what happened between S3 and S4. But no, Part 2 never existed, and is just fan theories that are untrue, the same way, they got Charisma Carpenter had audition for Paige, when she as still very much a series regular on another The WB show Angel at the time and wouldn't have left. Sometimes fan theories and ideas find a way to be believed true, and it spreads across the internet as fact. Much like the Charmed Wiki, always saying stuff is true and canon, without real evidence.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 12:49:18 GMT -5
Totally agree, this episode is odd and strange. Not my preferred season finale. I much prefer the "filler" episodes concluding the season. S7 and S8 had better finales than this.
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