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Post by rebooted on Apr 7, 2018 18:20:52 GMT -5
Was Phoebe right to be opposed to Piper and Leo's hand fasting?
When Piper broke the rules and continued having a forbidden relationship with Leo ....
she set the rule for Phoebe being allowed to date a half-demon which should have been far more forbidden...
I mean why didn't the Elders intervene then?
It didn't make sense... witches would find their white-lighters attractive because they understand magic, having to keep it secret and would be the ones healing and guiding them. On top of that, they can retain their looks, age and look more attractive because they age less....
It makes me think that because Leo died in his mid20's/early 30's, he retained his handsome-ness and was an ex soldier /army medic, that turned into a bum snug 90's jean wearing handyman... who could levitate I might add.
So he was ultimately going to have a realtionship with one of the attractive Charmed Ones.
But was that what was intended my Constance or did that just happen with the writing.
It's one of the reasons why Secrets and Guys is my least favourite episodes in Season 1.
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Post by Elle Em on Apr 8, 2018 16:24:47 GMT -5
You're right. Expecting witches and whitelighters to not get together is just ridiculous. The whitelighters aren't all young like Leo, but some definitely are, which only increases the chances of one of their charges finding them attractive.
And if whitelighters do things like sleep and eat, surely they'd crave being in a relationship as well. They seemed more like magical yet human people to me than these otherworldly beings.
And you make a good point about how the whitelighter might be the only person in a witch's life who knows her secret and who she can talk openly about magic to. That creates a bond, and it's a wonder that there aren't witches and whitelighters like Piper and Leo all over the place.
I find it really hard to believe that Sam and Patty were the first ones to get together and conceive a child. Like them, others must have just hid it.
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 8, 2018 17:34:26 GMT -5
Which just shows how stupid Kern made the Elders that they didn't know, and that they thought that Piper and Leo were the first. Nothing otherworldly about them at all.
It also shows how stupid they were to give three young women a good-looking young-looking male whitelighter, one who Piper had had a relationship with in a previous life.
Ditto for Patty and Sam.
Patty should've become her daughters' whitelighter. No fear of any of them falling for her. It's why I think Prue should be the next generation's whitelighter.
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Post by rebooted on Apr 8, 2018 22:17:23 GMT -5
Which just shows how stupid Kern made the Elders that they didn't know, and that they thought that Piper and Leo were the first. Nothing otherworldly about them at all. It also shows how stupid they were to give three young women a good-looking young-looking male whitelighter, one who Piper had had a relationship with in a previous life. Ditto for Patty and Sam. Patty should've become her daughters' whitelighter. No fear of any of them falling for her. It's why I think Prue should be the next generation's whitelighter. It would have been great if Whitelighters were annoying like in Blinded By The Whitelighter or greasy and slimmy like when Cole shook Leo's hand in Magic Hour.
Whitelighters were a flawed concept and it would have been better if an extended family member or some species that can't breed with witches could be their guardian angels.
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Post by gzv969 on Apr 30, 2018 18:53:09 GMT -5
Phoebe was really on the right path in this episode being strongly against piper and Leo’s reunion and having true fear of the consequences. But once the elders allowed their union, phoebe no longer feared that consequences. If not she would have been really scared to be with cole after finding out he was a demon. Talk about setting a bad example for your baby sister 😊.
I can’t forget the look on phoebes face when piper said “the terms they used was the Unspeakable Wrath, the likes of which you could never imagine”. Phoebe couldn’t get that out of her head. “Was that Just the Bride and groom or does it also include bridesmaids?”
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Post by rebooted on Jan 23, 2019 5:49:25 GMT -5
Phoebe was really on the right path in this episode being strongly against piper and Leo’s reunion and having true fear of the consequences. But once the elders allowed their union, phoebe no longer feared that consequences. If not she would have been really scared to be with cole after finding out he was a demon. Talk about setting a bad example for your baby sister 😊. I can’t forget the look on phoebes face when piper said “the terms they used was the Unspeakable Wrath, the likes of which you could never imagine”. Phoebe couldn’t get that out of her head. “Was that Just the Bride and groom or does it also include bridesmaids?” You're right, Leo's wings should have been clipped so he could have grown older with Piper. This should have happened on their wedding day.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 23, 2019 8:39:57 GMT -5
Phoebe was really on the right path in this episode being strongly against piper and Leo’s reunion and having true fear of the consequences. But once the elders allowed their union, phoebe no longer feared that consequences. If not she would have been really scared to be with cole after finding out he was a demon. Talk about setting a bad example for your baby sister 😊. I can’t forget the look on phoebes face when piper said “the terms they used was the Unspeakable Wrath, the likes of which you could never imagine”. Phoebe couldn’t get that out of her head. “Was that Just the Bride and groom or does it also include bridesmaids?” You're right, Leo's wings should have been clipped so he could have grown older with Piper. This should have happened on their wedding day. That's what I always thought would be the ultimate wedding present from Leo to Piper - and, of course, it means the only witchlighter would be Paige.
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Post by rebooted on Jan 23, 2019 20:55:02 GMT -5
You're right, Leo's wings should have been clipped so he could have grown older with Piper. This should have happened on their wedding day. That's what I always thought would be the ultimate wedding present from Leo to Piper - and, of course, it means the only witchlighter would be Paige. And if Paige had healing powers then there would be no need for another whitelighter! Ofc, I still think that dead whitelighters should not be able to reproduce.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 24, 2019 2:34:46 GMT -5
That's what I always thought would be the ultimate wedding present from Leo to Piper - and, of course, it means the only witchlighter would be Paige. And if Paige had healing powers then there would be no need for another whitelighter! Ofc, I still think that dead whitelighters should not be able to reproduce. I've always thought so, too, just like I didn't think demons and humans should be able to reproduce. But that's not how the show was set up - the "fun" of fantasy/supernatural shows - you can do such stuff. Me, I'm more along the lines of not liking whitelighters being able to pass on powers that were given to them by the Elders. Their children should only have the powers of the non-whitelighter spouse, so in Charmed's case, Paige, Wyatt and Chris would only be witches with no whitelighters powers, and because Wyatt and Chris were part of a matriarchal line where only women had powers, they shouldn't have powers at all. But again, because Kern wanted the show more male-centric, that's not the way it worked.
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Post by rebooted on Jan 24, 2019 18:11:35 GMT -5
And if Paige had healing powers then there would be no need for another whitelighter! Ofc, I still think that dead whitelighters should not be able to reproduce. I've always thought so, too, just like I didn't think demons and humans should be able to reproduce. But that's not how the show was set up - the "fun" of fantasy/supernatural shows - you can do such stuff. Me, I'm more along the lines of not liking whitelighters being able to pass on powers that were given to them by the Elders. Their children should only have the powers of the non-whitelighter spouse, so in Charmed's case, Paige, Wyatt and Chris would only be witches with no whitelighters powers, and because Wyatt and Chris were part of a matriarchal line where only women had powers, they shouldn't have powers at all. But again, because Kern wanted the show more male-centric, that's not the way it worked. I feel like Kerns mindset was very Lois and Clark from where he came from. Even Tempus is in that series, where I think the idea of De Ja Vu came from as well.
I would have also liked if women and girls could only be witches but males became the healers in the family, sort of a role reversal.
Gosh he was such a douche!
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Post by West on Jan 24, 2019 19:44:50 GMT -5
I've always thought so, too, just like I didn't think demons and humans should be able to reproduce. But that's not how the show was set up - the "fun" of fantasy/supernatural shows - you can do such stuff. Me, I'm more along the lines of not liking whitelighters being able to pass on powers that were given to them by the Elders. Their children should only have the powers of the non-whitelighter spouse, so in Charmed's case, Paige, Wyatt and Chris would only be witches with no whitelighters powers, and because Wyatt and Chris were part of a matriarchal line where only women had powers, they shouldn't have powers at all. But again, because Kern wanted the show more male-centric, that's not the way it worked. I feel like Kerns mindset was very Lois and Clark from where he came from. Even Tempus is in that series, where I think the idea of De Ja Vu came from as well.
I would have also liked if women and girls could only be witches but males became the healers in the family, sort of a role reversal.
Gosh he was such a douche!
You could be right. Another show I grew up with Kern ruined. Only Lois and Clark ended a year and a half after he joined unlike Charmed, where we had six years after he got full control. And he wrote an episode named I've Got You Under My Skin on L&C too. So glad he got caught out. Can't believe it took 30 years. Lol He sure wanted it male-centric. I can see why Connie left with how Kern wanted Cole used. I'm sure she wanted Cole to last half a season and or be truly evil and then vanquished. I can't imagine her Phoebe not vanquishing Cole right away.
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Post by Elle Em on Jan 25, 2019 7:46:38 GMT -5
I would have also liked if women and girls could only be witches but males became the healers in the family, sort of a role reversal. This is a really good idea. I like how the women would be the fighters and the ones in the most danger, while the men would take on an important but much more passive role. I can't help but think of Dr. Williamson and how he was a healer, though not with magic, and how he went crazy when he got magical powers. He was better off in his healer-type role than anything else.
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Post by ljones on Jun 11, 2019 21:19:59 GMT -5
Yes. If Leo really wanted to be with Piper, he should have been up front with the Elders, even if it meant the prospect of losing his wings.
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Post by rebooted on Dec 8, 2019 15:27:17 GMT -5
I'm thinking that Season 3 should have ended with this sort of theme where the sisters are trying to decide what the right thing to do is.
Somehow, I think Leo and Piper's wiccan roles should have started to get compromised Season 4 would have been dealing with that. (Although I did like how Leo and Piper were the happiest in Season 4).
Also, Phoebe should have paid a price for lying to her sisters and there could have been a whole 'morality bites' or 'apocolypse not' sort of ending to Season 3.
I just always wonder where Season 3 was going and whether you take AHBL for it is or ignore it but what direction was Season 4 supposed to take?
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 8, 2019 16:13:28 GMT -5
I would've loved 'Apocalypse Not' and 'Morality Bites' pushed ahead to be the S3 penultimate episode and season finale - ESPECIALLY if that was also the SERIES finale of Charmed.
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Post by ljones on Dec 29, 2019 14:40:14 GMT -5
Phoebe never broke any rule when she dated and married Cole. She had the right to do what she wanted. For Piper, it was different. Leo was their whitelighter and HE was breaking the rule of the organization that he served. If he and Piper had wanted to marry, he should have broke away from the whitelighters.
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Post by gzv969 on Dec 31, 2019 19:28:08 GMT -5
Her opposition to piper and Leo came from genuine fear of the consequences and what the elders would do. If the elders could send her to a future where she burned at the stake, she was genuinely scared of what they could do to all of them if piper blatantly broke the rules. So I didn’t blame her. There wasn’t a standing rule for dating reformed demons so that wasn’t something she feared.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 12:47:47 GMT -5
I do think Phoebe was right, in this scenario. Especially, since I still think Phoebe is Phoebe in S3 and not "PhoeMe", during this time. Had this conversation began in S5, I don't think "PhoeMe" would oppose Piper getting married to Leo, since "PhoeMe" was ready to ditch their mermaid innocent and everything.
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