louislemon
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Post by louislemon on Aug 31, 2023 6:03:39 GMT -5
I just wanna make sure I’m on the right page lol this might be confusing for which I apologise in advance for but I’ll try and make it concise as possible:
In the episode Pre-Witched Penny doesn’t think the girls are ready to be witches- and she has that glass ornament that Piper found in the chest and wanted to take it to the new apartment with her but Penny filled it up with… the food or whatever she and piper were cooking in the kitchen? I don’t think it was a potion because how could it? Piper doesn’t know anything about witches yet- so I don’t know why Penny put some of it in the bottle if it wasn’t a potion and just the remnants of a possible meal to be—
Then at the end of the episode Piper finds a piece of paper underneath the bottle and says to Leo ‘I think we both know what those ingredients would do to us’ - that would mean a potion right? To rid the girls of their powers for good? Like a full binding potion? But the bottle wasn’t filled with a potion because Piper was making it with Penny so how could it be a potion?
I’m sorry if I’m being dumb and it’s clear to everyone but me - but I’ve always just been a bit confused by this scene.
Basically: what was in the bottle? And what was written on the piece of paper? And why did Grams hold onto that bottle even to her death?
Thank you.
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Post by Elle Em on Aug 31, 2023 6:57:45 GMT -5
I always thought it was a potion. Grams seemed like the one making it, whereas Piper was just sort of in the kitchen with her. I could see it being a potion and Piper not realizing.
It seems like the ingredients were written on the piece of paper, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They never wrote an ingredient list or names of potions on bottles.
Grams seemed to want to strip their powers, but died before she could do it. From Pre-Witched we saw that she fully intended to. I think she just left it as long as she could because it was such a serious thing to do.
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zachary
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Post by zachary on Aug 31, 2023 10:04:24 GMT -5
I always thought it was a potion. Grams seemed like the one making it, whereas Piper was just sort of in the kitchen with her. I could see it being a potion and Piper not realizing. It seems like the ingredients were written on the piece of paper, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They never wrote an ingredient list or names of potions on bottles. Grams seemed to want to strip their powers, but died before she could do it. From Pre-Witched we saw that she fully intended to. I think she just left it as long as she could because it was such a serious thing to do. This was pretty much it!
Piper wasn't helping Grams make the potion, but it seems like lore-wise, ingredients have a natural balance, and Piper was good at balancing ingredients. She knew what to add to combat the mustard seed.
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Post by Keeper Of Melinda's Locket on Aug 31, 2023 21:42:34 GMT -5
I always thought it was a potion. Grams seemed like the one making it, whereas Piper was just sort of in the kitchen with her. I could see it being a potion and Piper not realizing. It seems like the ingredients were written on the piece of paper, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They never wrote an ingredient list or names of potions on bottles. Grams seemed to want to strip their powers, but died before she could do it. From Pre-Witched we saw that she fully intended to. I think she just left it as long as she could because it was such a serious thing to do. You nailed it. That's what I always thought. She died before she had a chance to go through with it.
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aggiefan12
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Post by aggiefan12 on Sept 1, 2023 14:26:19 GMT -5
I always thought it was a potion. Grams seemed like the one making it, whereas Piper was just sort of in the kitchen with her. I could see it being a potion and Piper not realizing. It seems like the ingredients were written on the piece of paper, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They never wrote an ingredient list or names of potions on bottles. Grams seemed to want to strip their powers, but died before she could do it. From Pre-Witched we saw that she fully intended to. I think she just left it as long as she could because it was such a serious thing to do. I believe it was a recipe for permanent binding potion that Grams may have been making but never got to give it to the girls.
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Post by rebooted on Sept 1, 2023 20:39:13 GMT -5
I always thought it was a potion. Grams seemed like the one making it, whereas Piper was just sort of in the kitchen with her. I could see it being a potion and Piper not realizing. It seems like the ingredients were written on the piece of paper, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They never wrote an ingredient list or names of potions on bottles. Grams seemed to want to strip their powers, but died before she could do it. From Pre-Witched we saw that she fully intended to. I think she just left it as long as she could because it was such a serious thing to do. I believe it was a recipe for permanent binding potion that Grams may have been making but never got to give it to the girls. Why did the sisters only get their individual powers when Phoebe read the spell in 1x01? When Grams died, shouldn't they have received their powers back ? The incantation was only to make them the Charmed Ones right? Or do you have to recite a power rebooting spell to get them back once the binding is broken?
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aggiefan12
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Post by aggiefan12 on Sept 1, 2023 21:32:18 GMT -5
I believe it was a recipe for permanent binding potion that Grams may have been making but never got to give it to the girls. Why did the sisters only get their individual powers when Phoebe read the spell in 1x01? When Grams died, shouldn't they have received their powers back ? The incantation was only to make them the Charmed Ones right? Or do you have to recite a power rebooting spell to get them back once the binding is broken? 1. Cause this was the first time in awhile that all three sisters were together under one roof after grams died 2. Well they all went their own ways after Grams died so they were not all living together. 3.Earlier on I believe so although it seemed different in later seasons I think.
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zachary
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Post by zachary on Sept 1, 2023 21:57:26 GMT -5
I believe it was a recipe for permanent binding potion that Grams may have been making but never got to give it to the girls. Why did the sisters only get their individual powers when Phoebe read the spell in 1x01? When Grams died, shouldn't they have received their powers back ? The incantation was only to make them the Charmed Ones right? Or do you have to recite a power rebooting spell to get them back once the binding is broken? I'm gonna chalk it up to two reasons:
Out-of-universe: They didn't think nor establish the sisters as being witches from birth until That 70s Episode.
In-Universe: Usually, yes, bound powers would unbind when the caster dies. We can assume that maybe the sisters powers were already released when Grams passed, and they just had yet to actually manifest. I'm suggesting this because the incantation Phoebe reads is too specific to be a general "magic invoking" spell, and I'm assuming it was written for the Charmed Ones to establish themselves as a coven.
In "Something Wicca This Way Comes" Jeremy says this, which also gives me the impression that I'm correct:
Jeremy: "...See, I've waited six months for this. Ever since Grams went to the hospital. I've known for some quite time that the moment that old witch croaked that all your powers would be released. Powers that would reveal themselves as soon as the three of you got together again. All that was needed was for Phoebe to return.".
So I'm believing that their powers were released when she died, but they didn't manifest until the sisters came together- possibly even right after Phoebe read the Charmed-Invoking spell, or before- and the sisters just weren't in a situation that would make the powers reveal themselves.
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Post by rebooted on Sept 2, 2023 3:00:38 GMT -5
Why did the sisters only get their individual powers when Phoebe read the spell in 1x01? When Grams died, shouldn't they have received their powers back ? The incantation was only to make them the Charmed Ones right? Or do you have to recite a power rebooting spell to get them back once the binding is broken? I'm gonna chalk it up to two reasons:
Out-of-universe: They didn't think nor establish the sisters as being witches from birth until That 70s Episode.
In-Universe: Usually, yes, bound powers would unbind when the caster dies. We can assume that maybe the sisters powers were already released when Grams passed, and they just had yet to actually manifest. I'm suggesting this because the incantation Phoebe reads is too specific to be a general "magic invoking" spell, and I'm assuming it was written for the Charmed Ones to establish themselves as a coven.
In "Something Wicca This Way Comes" Jeremy says this, which also gives me the impression that I'm correct:
Jeremy: "...See, I've waited six months for this. Ever since Grams went to the hospital. I've known for some quite time that the moment that old witch croaked that all your powers would be released. Powers that would reveal themselves as soon as the three of you got together again. All that was needed was for Phoebe to return.".
So I'm believing that their powers were released when she died, but they didn't manifest until the sisters came together- possibly even right after Phoebe read the Charmed-Invoking spell, or before- and the sisters just weren't in a situation that would make the powers reveal themselves.
So Jeremey knew that Phoebe or one of the other sisters would recite the incantation (eventually) that made them the Charmed Ones (which would give them their powers?) and knew they were the Charmed Ones because the only way they were able to get their powers was if Phoebe returned home and they were all together - as opposed to just receiving their powers when they came together when Grams fell down the stairs when the power binding potion should have automatically reversed? I am thinking Grams and or Patty enchanted other things like the Original 3 Sister Photo coming together as well as the Chandelier lights and perhaps the book was part of the prophecy of them BOTH receiving their powers AND becoming The Charmed Ones at the same time which as Phoebe said "If we were ever going to do this, now is the perfect time, midnight on a full moon etc." In Season 3's Power Outage we learn that the book is erased when the sisters break with each other or the Power of Three is broken. This must be the Book and also their ancestors protecting the book. Jeremey may have studied the Prophecy from Serena and learnt about the coming of the Charmed Ones. Serena also had the Triquetra tatoo as well. Patty does mention in 4x01 that they needed to be next to the book - just like before - to become "Charmed....Again" as grams suggests. The were under the book when the Reconstituted Charmed Ones fully got their powers. Paige had orbing but not Telekinetic powers until after shaking hands with Pipers and forming an authentic bond. Piper probably saw Prue in Paige and thought about what Prue would do in that situation. Phoebe was openhearted and had the handshake premonition and was also physically embrassing of Paige when she came to the door. It was automatic for her. Paige got her powers by holding the hand of Piper while she was touching Phoebe - just like in Season 5's Centennial Charmed. So the sisters had to have their bond restored, be next to or under the book which protected its self and the prophecy of the Charmed Ones. Phoebe must have trusted Paige being with Piper in Centennial Charmed which is the only way the Book was going to allow the sisters to receive their powers. In 7x22 the sisters are also psychologically attached to the book with their Confidence as well - so the sisters have to love and respect themselves and each other in order for their powers to be released from both the Book of Shadows and the Grams/Patty enchanted binding potion? I think thats the only way I know how to make sense of it. Also - I think Grams stuck around and didn't move on after she died which delayed the process and her and Patty were trying to influence the sisters to come home and be together. Grams/Patty/ the Book enchanted by their ancestors were also trying to protect them from Jeremey by making them come back together. The bond between the sisters is the most powerful thing in the Universe also because by this point, they are willing to sacrifice themselves for each other as seen in 1x01 with Prue and Season 3's Power Outage, slightly in 4x01 Charmed Again, moreso in Centennial Charmed and once again in 7x22 The book is inextricably linked to the bond of the sisters and the prophecy of the Charmed Ones.
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Post by Elle Em on Sept 2, 2023 6:57:42 GMT -5
I always thought Grams' death unlocked the possibility of them becoming witches. She, along with Jeremy somehow, seemed to know they'd become witches even though they had no concept of the idea. I don't think Jeremy knew how it would happen exactly, just that they'd all have to be together under the same roof again. And maybe Grams knew that after she died, they'd be led by signs to do exactly what they did: one of them would be drawn to the attic, then to the trunk, then to the Book. Grams' death just opened up the possibility, but the sisters had to do the rest.
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