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Post by bandit on Dec 18, 2007 11:19:04 GMT -5
Hi... I have just found out that Charmed ended after Season 8... I have bought the DVDs for each season (I did not what the Series on WB). A friend of mine has just told me the Series ended without and end! Is it true? Can anyone tell me what happened? Thanks & Regards from sunny Rio de Janeiro!
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Post by The Original P3 on Dec 18, 2007 12:06:28 GMT -5
If you've watched through the 8th season then you should know that is DOES get wrapped up. Forever Charmed is a very finalizing finale and with the exception that they FAILED to include any hint of Prue other than a few crappy mentions, it was very good.
As for why it ended, well of course it couldn't go on forever. Not to mention that the ratings were in the toilet, the storylines were old and recycled, the writing was stale, the acting (aside from Holly) became cringeworthy...need I continue?
8 seasons is an EXCELLENT run for a show. Charmed is the longest running drama with female leads in television history. I don't see why people need to push their luck and ask for more Charmed when the integrity of the show was already hanging on by a string anyways.
In my mind, it ended with season 6.
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Post by Rose McGowan #1 on Dec 18, 2007 12:21:56 GMT -5
I know I wished it would go on ,but What i heard is the WB canceled their contracts.They had contracts for 10 seasons.I would so go and give them a few scripts I have made! They would defiantly be interested. I just wish they would have continued!Rose defiantly was interested in continuing but the contracts were canceled nothing she could do.
I hope they do come out with another type of show with the three of them magical or not I would watch!They are a great pair for Television!
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Post by The Original P3 on Dec 18, 2007 13:46:29 GMT -5
No they did not. Rose is actually one that doesn't like long term things. She gets bored easily (note the change in hair color all the time). Coming into Charmed it was expected to last 1 season with her so I'm sure Rose was just as anxious for it to end.
Anyways, they were not contracted through season 10. Holly, Rose and Alyssa were contracted through season 8. I believe they signed those deals either at the end of season 5 or 6 (can't recall which). Them signing however has nothing to do with the continuation of the show. All that means is that the actors would be on board if the network renews the show. In the 8th season, they were not renewed nor had Holly, Alyssa and Rose signed for more.
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Post by piper123 on Dec 18, 2007 13:52:24 GMT -5
How can you say rose would have been up for another show when on interviws she has said that when the show got picked up every year she cried.
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Post by Rose McGowan #1 on Dec 18, 2007 17:07:17 GMT -5
Oh please Rose didn't want it to end but yes she said she"thought" it would only last a year and plus if she cried ever year she should have quite.Obviously she loved being in the show and she obviously wanted the show to go on so she could get more money.
Don't even tell me she didn't want it to last more then a year she should have quite if she didn't!Also don't try to show me a video of her saying it I know of a word called sarcasm!
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Post by The Original P3 on Dec 18, 2007 17:17:13 GMT -5
Actually no she wouldn't have "quit". Contracts don't allow that. She was bound to the show by contracts and money and deals. I'm also sure she didn't want to be the reason the show ended so every contract negociation that Holly and Alyssa signed, I don't doubt Rose would have too.
Of course when it came time to even consider the show going on after the 8th season, Rose made it clear that she would not return. In fact, the only one that even thought about returning was Holly. Alyssa was done with it as well. 8 years is a long commitment to one project.
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Dec 18, 2007 20:31:41 GMT -5
Actually no she wouldn't have "quit". Contracts don't allow that. She was bound to the show by contracts and money and deals. I'm also sure she didn't want to be the reason the show ended so every contract negociation that Holly and Alyssa signed, I don't doubt Rose would have too. Of course when it came time to even consider the show going on after the 8th season, Rose made it clear that she would not return. In fact, the only one that even thought about returning was Holly. Alyssa was done with it as well. 8 years is a long commitment to one project. Exactly, what TOP3 said is true. There are interviews that claerly state Rose was done with Charmed after 8 years. She REALLY did not want to go on!
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Post by ~.:Alysha:.~ on Dec 18, 2007 21:38:34 GMT -5
Actually no she wouldn't have "quit". Contracts don't allow that. She was bound to the show by contracts and money and deals. I'm also sure she didn't want to be the reason the show ended so every contract negociation that Holly and Alyssa signed, I don't doubt Rose would have too. Of course when it came time to even consider the show going on after the 8th season, Rose made it clear that she would not return. In fact, the only one that even thought about returning was Holly. Alyssa was done with it as well. 8 years is a long commitment to one project. Exactly, what TOP3 said is true. There are interviews that claerly state Rose was done with Charmed after 8 years. She REALLY did not want to go on! Yep i agree totally
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Post by spiritsas on Dec 18, 2007 22:43:05 GMT -5
TOP3 is absolutely right. She's not just saying what she thinks; all this has been documented in several interviews with Rose M. and with the other cast members. What TOP3 didn't get into is that Charmed was nearly cancelled after the 7th season. No one knew if it was coming back and a hasty last episode, with TCO faking their deaths to move on was how it was left. They got a last minute reprieve when Brad Kern, the Executive Producer, agreed to a smaller budget, bringing on some new young blood (Billy and Christy), and cutting some staff (which is why Daryl was gone through all S8 and why Leo was gone after 10 episodes). Leo was eventually brought back as a guest star for the two part episode conclusion, though his part in the next to last episode had no lines as he simply appeared as a ghostly apparition a few times.
Anyway, Brad agreed and that explains why some of the writing is so poor in some the S8 episodes; lack of a decent budget for writers or special effects.
One thing I would disagree with TOP3 is that I don't feel their ratings were in the toilet. Compared with the ratings at the height of the shows popularity, they were down more than 50% on average, but they were still one the top 5 rated CW shows. They have also been far better, at their worst, than say Supernatural is averaging now. Only Wrestling and Smallville consistently beat them. So, I think the real reason Charmed was not picked up by the CW was because when the contracts ended at the end of S8, the negotiations would have made it impossible for the show to make a profit, given it's costs (like the rising salaries of the main cast). They wouldn't have been able to sell the advertising at a high enough rate to make it work.
Plus, RM and AM were pretty much done, as TOP3 notes. Only HMC showed any indication of a willingness to stay, but there was no show. Plus Brad Kern was tired and has took like six months to a year off to just spend time with his family. Shows like this demand a lot from the cast and crew, which is also why it's hard to keep them fresh and good. Just my 2cents
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Dec 18, 2007 23:55:16 GMT -5
TOP3 is absolutely right. She's not just saying what she thinks; all this has been documented in several interviews with Rose M. and with the other cast members. What TOP3 didn't get into is that Charmed was nearly cancelled after the 7th season. No one knew if it was coming back and a hasty last episode, with TCO faking their deaths to move on was how it was left. They got a last minute reprieve when Brad Kern, the Executive Producer, agreed to a smaller budget, bringing on some new young blood (Billy and Christy), and cutting some staff (which is why Daryl was gone through all S8 and why Leo was gone after 10 episodes). Leo was eventually brought back as a guest star for the two part episode conclusion, though his part in the next to last episode had no lines as he simply appeared as a ghostly apparition a few times. Anyway, Brad agreed and that explains why some of the writing is so poor in some the S8 episodes; lack of a decent budget for writers or special effects. One thing I would disagree with TOP3 is that I don't feel their ratings were in the toilet. Compared with the ratings at the height of the shows popularity, they were down more than 50% on average, but they were still one the top 5 rated CW shows. They have also been far better, at their worst, than say Supernatural is averaging now. Only Wrestling and Smallville consistently beat them. So, I think the real reason Charmed was not picked up by the CW was because when the contracts ended at the end of S8, the negotiations would have made it impossible for the show to make a profit, given it's costs (like the rising salaries of the main cast). They wouldn't have been able to sell the advertising at a high enough rate to make it work. Plus, RM and AM were pretty much done, as TOP3 notes. Only HMC showed any indication of a willingness to stay, but there was no show. Plus Brad Kern was tired and has took like six months to a year off to just spend time with his family. Shows like this demand a lot from the cast and crew, which is also why it's hard to keep them fresh and good. Just my 2cents well said!
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Post by spiritsas on Dec 19, 2007 0:17:59 GMT -5
Thank you.
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Post by vandergraafk on Dec 19, 2007 15:12:46 GMT -5
As I understand it, Rose was brought on board with a five-year contract. That expired at the conclusion of Season 8. Holly's and Alyssa's contracts similarly were set to expire at the conclusion of Season 8. As the WB/CW gave no indication that the show would continue into Season 9, no attempt was made to extend or re-write the contracts. Charmed just ended since there were no lead actresses under contract. Of course, the WB didn't see it that way, as they chose the highly unusual step of announcing Charmed's cancellation in March 2006. How can a show be cancelled when none of the leads has a contract beyond the current season?
In theory, the WB could have gone back to Spelling and asked them to hire three minimum salary actresses to reprise the roles of Phoebe, Paige and Piper. They could have even explained this away by needing to disguise the residents of the manor on Prescott Street that blew up for at least a few minutes. Glam them into low budget actresses. At least, I know Brad Kern would have never gone along with that.
By the way, it's truly sad that Season 7 was viewed so negatively by the WB. Yes, I'm sure the whole Avatar thing scared the bejesus out of them just as much as the Source stuff did. And, I know there are fans who don't like some of the early Season 7 stuff, especially when the WB imposed its will and demanded its first "promotable hunk". I actually like Nick Lachey as Leslie. I thought it worked out really well. When compared to Dex, Leslie was straight out of "Charmed" school!
The really sad thing is that Season 6, the season when Charmed was given a budget increase, a new hunk (Drew Fuller) and at least a modicum of support, was such a disastrous season in terms of story arc and the obsession with all things Wyatt. Yes, there were great episodes: Chris Crossed. But there was a lot of wasted drivel that cost Charmed some of its audience, an audience that never returned for Season 7 - and missed a whole bunch of great episodes and the best demon since Cole: Zankou.
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Post by spiritsas on Dec 20, 2007 0:31:49 GMT -5
V- I think the first part of your post completes the story of why Charmed end for our newbie. Contracts and money, and a choice by the new CW to ignore the show and simply announce its demise. All good things....
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Post by wiccanwench on Dec 20, 2007 10:20:28 GMT -5
Charmed ended because, the cast did not want to go on. Holly wanted to be the traditional housewife with her kids. Alyssa wanted to start her line of baseball clothes for women. Rose had movies lined up. Brian, I'm not sure about him. All I know is that, the end was such a tear jerker and I have to watch it with the commentary now. Too bad there wasn't a gag reel.
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Post by vandergraafk on Dec 20, 2007 16:07:57 GMT -5
That misplaces the intentionality, I'm afraid. Rose was able to (waste away and still) complete Grindhouse while shooting Charmed. I'm not saying that she would like to continually re-live that experience, but nothing in her contract prevented her from outside endeavors. And, Kern and company seemed accomodating.
As for Alyssa: maybe she really wanted to work on her line of baseball clothes and provide commentary for TBS on-line during the playoffs. Maybe she wanted to shoot another series. Maybe she even wanted to shoot a movie. But, do you really think she would have just pulled the plug on Charmed? I don't.
And, as for Holly: let's see. Her children were sort of regulars on set. Do I imagine her finding a contradiction between house mom and Charmed? Nah!!!
Let's face it. If no contracts are offered or one-year extensions made, what choice is left but to deal with it and move on. That's what the Charmed Ones did.
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Post by spiritsas on Dec 20, 2007 22:54:07 GMT -5
Charmed ended because, the cast did not want to go on. Holly wanted to be the traditional housewife with her kids. Alyssa wanted to start her line of baseball clothes for women. Rose had movies lined up. Brian, I'm not sure about him. All I know is that, the end was such a tear jerker and I have to watch it with the commentary now. Too bad there wasn't a gag reel. Actually, there is a gag reel. Although not on the Region 1 release, the version released in Europe or AUS had the gag reel from S8. I'm sure it will eventually show up here in another release, but only time will tell for sure.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Dec 20, 2007 23:39:35 GMT -5
Charmed ended because, the cast did not want to go on. Holly wanted to be the traditional housewife with her kids. Alyssa wanted to start her line of baseball clothes for women. Rose had movies lined up. Brian, I'm not sure about him. Actually, Holly and Brian would have stayed with the show, were it to continue. Like mentioned, Holly's boys were around, so the housewife 'excuse' wasn't really a reason. After Charmed ended, she did do that. And she has made a Lifetime movie since then, but if the show had a chance of continuing, Holly and Brian wouldn't have thought twice.
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Post by whitelightertony on Dec 21, 2007 16:28:20 GMT -5
VG, I disagree with you on several points.
First, the Leslie St. Claire character was poorly conceived and poorly executed. I guess they had plans to bring him back for the "back 9" episodes of Season 7, but they couldn't strike a deal with Lachey.
Secondly, calling Zankou "the best demon since Cole" is giving Kern too much credit. Zankou had the potential to be an incredible Big Bad, but ended up being a sniveling, underwhelming caricature.
Also, I enjoyed Season 6 a lot more than you did, despite the blunders in continuity and story arc execution.
I do agree with everyone's assessment of the contracts. Rose's original contract was for five years, from Season 4 through Season 8. Holly and Alyssa probably each had a five-year contract when they started with the show, and their producer credits kicked in upon their fourth years (I guess Shannen would have gotten one too, if she'd been able to continue past Season 3). So it was probably at the beginning of Season 6 when Holly and Alyssa renewed their contracts, also perhaps only for three years each so their contracts would coincide with Rose's?
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 21, 2007 22:13:37 GMT -5
8 seasons is an EXCELLENT run for a show. Charmed is the longest running drama with female leads in television history. I don't see why people need to push their luck and ask for more Charmed when the integrity of the show was already hanging on by a string anyways. In my mind, it ended with season 6. I agree I only know of a few shows that go past a fifth season. Full House, 7th Heaven(Which so far appears to me to be the longest running show period with like ten seasons) and Charmed of course are a few examples. So Charmed had a good healthy life I don't think it needs more. Plus as The Original P3 also pointed out the finale did 100% close it with the exception of not allowing Prue to visit. It ended with all of the girls growing old with grandchildren(Although it only actually showed Piper and Leo its safe to assume that the other sisters were grandparents too). I only saw the end scene of the finale but just from that you can tell that its a very tight rap up.
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