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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 23:41:47 GMT -5
Es said: I was the one that originally posted this (although it wasn't all me, others contributed to the list). I remember posting this at the now defunct Charmed Sons board. Es asked me if she could post it here, and I said yes.
Uh, Es, I have to ask, why did you change my spelling of "Kira" to "Kyra"? I've never spelled it that way.
Kern a** kisser, vandergraafk, said:
No, but they set him up to be murdered, by changing him into Chris. They knew those demons were after Chris at the time.
A Mafia Don who orders a hit doesn't do the actual killing, however, he's just as guilty of murder as the hit man is. The same applies to Phoebe and Paige here.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 19, 2015 3:13:53 GMT -5
Kern a** kisser, vandergraafk, said: in Hyde School Reunion, neither Paige nor Phoebe murder Rick. No, but they set him up to be murdered, by changing him into Chris. They knew those demons were after Chris at the time. A Mafia Don who orders a hit doesn't do the actual killing, however, he's just as guilty of murder as the hit man is. The same applies to Phoebe and Paige here. Exactly and they both should've been punished as such. Well Phoebe was a couple of episodes later. Paige so should have been to also.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Aug 19, 2015 9:13:26 GMT -5
41. Leo was born in 1924 and was killed in action at Guadalcanal in 1942, making him 18 when he died. Never mind that he looked far too old to be 18. Never mind that he was attending Medical School when the U.S. entered World War II (he told Piper so in Love Hurts). Either someone on the writing staff wasn't paying attention (what else was new) or Leo was the Doogie Hauser of his time (there is NO way he could have been in Med School that young). Charmed wasn't very good with dates throughout the show but a lot of boys that joined the military got away with lying about their ages cause they looked older. I don't think he was attending Med School yet it just said in his bio that he was studying to be a doctor it's possible he was taking classes so that he can get accepted into med school. When WW2 broke he studied to become a medic in the army.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 10:54:42 GMT -5
They should have both been permanently stripped of their active powers. That would have made some good story lines in which they would have to sweat to get the job done.
Bio? What bio?
Anyway, in Love Hurts, he told Piper that he joined right out of Med School (I'm assuming he did this when the U.S. entered World War II following the attack on Pearl Harbour).
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Post by lilchi7212 on Aug 19, 2015 12:53:54 GMT -5
They should have both been permanently stripped of their active powers. That would have made some good story lines in which they would have to sweat to get the job done. Bio? What bio? Anyway, in Love Hurts, he told Piper that he joined right out of Med School (I'm assuming he did this when the U.S. entered World War II following the attack on Pearl Harbour). It said on Leo's Wiki that he was studying to be a doctor until the war broke out. Which means he was a pre-med student and not a med student so no he wasn't in Med School yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 15:02:39 GMT -5
No, but they set him up to be murdered, by changing him into Chris. They knew those demons were after Chris at the time. A Mafia Don who orders a hit doesn't do the actual killing, however, he's just as guilty of murder as the hit man is. The same applies to Phoebe and Paige here. Exactly. You know how most people blame the Source for Prue's death instead of Shax? Well, it's the exact same situation here. Those demons were only the Shax to Phoebe and Paige's Source. They should have both been permanently stripped of their active powers. That would have made some good story lines in which they would have to sweat to get the job done. If only that had happened. Just imagine how much harder things would've been for the sisters if they couldn't hop aboard the magical taxi cab known as Paige. They would've actually had to *gasp* DRIVE to get to places! As for Leo, his age was screwed up as soon as "Pardon My Past" aired. Even if he had been born in 1924, he shouldn't have had a past life walking around back then. He was actually alive at the time! However, I think his actual birthdate was closer to 1917-18, maybe 1920 at the very latest. Any later than that just wouldn't have been realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 16:39:43 GMT -5
Yep, that's true. There were other options open to them, but Phoebe and Paige chose the murder one. I can't give them a free pass for that reason. Oh noes Paige should have charged fares every time someone asked her to orb them somewhere. She would have been a millionaire in no time. 1917 sounds about right. Leo would have been 25 when he died. He would have been in Medical School at that point. No way was he born in 1924, he didn't strike me as a Doogie Howser.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 18:33:32 GMT -5
Oh noes Paige should have charged fares every time someone asked her to orb them somewhere. She would have been a millionaire in no time. Things got real easy for the sisters later on, didn't they? All they had to was orb in on Paige and let Piper flick her hands, and bingo, no more fireball-hurling leather-clad Demon of the Week. Phoebe didn't even have to lift a finger most of the time (which, of course, meant more time for her glamorous celebrity "job" and the Slampiece of the Week). How I wish they had ALL permanently lost their powers! They'd have to rely on potions and *gasp* Power of Three spells! 1917 sounds about right. Leo would have been 25 when he died. He would have been in Medical School at that point. No way was he born in 1924, he didn't strike me as a Doogie Howser. Remember that these were the same people who put Penny's birth in 1937 and made her a young hippie in "Witchstock." These writers couldn't do math to save their lives.
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Post by ljones on Aug 19, 2015 20:31:48 GMT -5
Actually, Wicca exists in the same world as Christianity. It's just that this series doesn't know jack about real Wiccan beliefs.
Or how about deleting the Avatar story arc altogether. Perhaps it's just me, but I have this problem with psychic rape. You know . . . like what happened to poor Darryl in the Season Six premiere.
Isn't the Underworld supposed to be the realm of the recently dead and not the realm of the evil?
Rolling on the floor with laughter!
It's such a relief to read this after so many years of complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 1:01:16 GMT -5
Yeah, you weren't the only one complaining that Leo could not have been born in 1924.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 6:21:03 GMT -5
Actually, Wicca exists in the same world as Christianity. It's just that this series doesn't know jack about real Wiccan beliefs. Charmed should've just stayed away from Wicca, IMO. Or how about deleting the Avatar story arc altogether. Perhaps it's just me, but I have this problem with psychic rape. You know . . . like what happened to poor Darryl in the Season Six premiere. Yes, please! What a boring, rubbish arc that was. The Avatar nonsense should've been scrapped as soon as Julian chose not to renew his contract for the rest of Season 5, not lazily rewritten with Leo two years later.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 12:50:18 GMT -5
Yeah, they should of. Considering it was mostly played for laughs.
Shows how desperate for ideas they were.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 1:52:49 GMT -5
Here's another nit.
In a later Season Seven episode, Elise decides to play hooky and hands running the paper over to Phoebe. Of course, Elise lies to Phoebe and tells her that she has a family emergency (something Phoebe has done to Elise MANY times).
Okay, so why, at the end, is the hooky playing Elise at P3. Does it make sense that, since she is lying to Phoebe about what she's really doing that she would:
1. Go to a club that Phoebe's sister owns.
2. Go there, knowing that Phoebe frequents said club?
Does this make sense to any of you, because it sure doesn't to me.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Aug 25, 2015 14:19:23 GMT -5
Trivia for you British Settlers who arrived in North America actually spoke much more like a modern day American than the current Brits.
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Post by adzpower on Aug 25, 2015 14:21:54 GMT -5
Here's another nit. In a later Season Seven episode, Elise decides to play hooky and hands running the paper over to Phoebe. Of course, Elise lies to Phoebe and tells her that she has a family emergency (something Phoebe has done to Elise MANY times). Okay, so why, at the end, is the hooky playing Elise at P3. Does it make sense that, since she is lying to Phoebe about what she's really doing that she would: 1. Go to a club that Phoebe's sister owns. 2. Go there, knowing that Phoebe frequents said club? Does this make sense to any of you, because it sure doesn't to me. Trying to rub it in her face? Showing Phoebe that she has a life as well?
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Post by Sadrick on Aug 25, 2015 16:29:04 GMT -5
I didn't care for the sisters ostracising Cole in Exit Strategy for something that was, in actuality, beyond his control. They weren't concerned about trying to hear his side of the story. All they saw was him standing above Janna's ash pile and Leo's unconscious body. But you know what really agitates me besides the utter lack of faith and sensibility in that scene? It's Phoebe and Prue fabricating these wild half-*ssed motives about Cole having a secret agenda in becoming human since he'll be able to seize the Book of Shadows. Does anyone else not realise how frivolous that sounds? First off, Cole would be human, meaning he's even less powerful than when the sisters were able to carve out a piece of his flesh and send him flying through a window. Secondly, there's no incentive for a human to take the book because they're not inherently magical. What can they do with it besides sell it to the highest evil bidder?
Phoebe was within earshot of Raynor. Couldn't she put two and two together about the predicament with Cole's father being dangled over him? Even while he was being blackmailed, it took Raynor casting a spell on him for Cole to finally succumb and kill Janna.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 17:23:00 GMT -5
The whole situation could have been avoided if the sisters had summoned the spirit of the first witch that Raynor killed (the one Cole spared). Said witch (sorry, I've forgotten her name) could have told them that it was a different guy that killed her, thus vindicating Cole. The whole mess at the end of the episode would have been thus avoided.
The sisters were shown to have the power to summon spirits. However, this was not the first time, or the last, that they would fail to use this ability to summon a spirit when said spirit could have given them helpful information.
I'm sorry, but you cannot give them this power and then conveniently ignore it to suit your plot. Someone needed to tell Kern about Chekhov's Gun (that's Anton Chekhov, not to be confused with Pavel Chekov of the U.S.S. Enterprise).
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Post by Sadrick on Aug 25, 2015 19:03:33 GMT -5
It wasn't just the duration of that episode's chronological ending that would have changed. Remember that it was ultimately thanks to Phoebe and Leo being trapped in the Underworld during Shax's attack that resulted in Prue being killed. Had they not ostracised Cole, it would not only have allow both of them to be there, but Cole too could have also provided support in fending off Shax's attack. Hell! With everyone together, they may have been able to vanquish Shax right then and there in the manor.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Aug 25, 2015 22:24:55 GMT -5
Hold on, now. One could also argue that even with Cole ostracized after "Exit Strategy" Phoebe and Leo being trapped in the Underworld wouldn't have happened had Phoebe not gone there to try to save Cole in AHBL. To which I say even that argument falls on its face.
"Look Who's Barking" had her find out straight from Cole just how Raynor had manipulated him; in fact that's what turned her back from being a Banshee. So her leaving him there is basically asking her to do three horrible things: abandoning her boyfriend to the spell of bad influence she knows is keeping him from her, refusing to return the favor for his liberating her from similar but worse, and leaving a powerful demon who tried to give up his murderous ways stewing alone in the dark to potentially find the motivation to return to killing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 23:40:06 GMT -5
Prue was killed because of Kern NOT firing Chekhov's Gun!
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