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Post by kiriashra on Jul 11, 2008 11:34:10 GMT -5
I'm sure the main reason for not showing Prue or summoning her from the other side was because of legal stuff with S.D. If they didn't have that hot mess they probably would have. Then again if they didn't have that hot mess she probably would have never died.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jul 11, 2008 11:52:13 GMT -5
But they ARE stupid.
The Cleaners were absolutely one of the worst ideas ever. It contradicts so many things set before it.
And, it was the legal issue of showing Prue. That's it. Simple as that.
Also, it's one thing to be seeing Grams, it's another to see your Big Sister who you depended on. (And when we saw Grams summon Patty, that was over 20 years later.) The sister still may not have been ready to see Prue. They had to learn to do things on their own and not depend on Prue.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 11, 2008 17:28:45 GMT -5
My guess was that any ability for the Charmed Ones to summon Prue was "blocked" by the Elders until the Elders felt the Halliwells were ready to see their sister again.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jul 11, 2008 23:11:06 GMT -5
I guess. But by season 7 they hardly even mentioned her. The only time I remember is in the finale when the sister do something to astral project themselves, then Piper got up and said: "Thanks, Prue". So they really didn't need her after season 5. They were doing fine by themselves. As much as I hate to say it...behind-the-scenes plays a MAJOR impact on Prue's character later on. You can't keep over analyzing certain things when the answer is...BEHIND-THE-SCENES! It's not right. They should have referenced Prue more, but the way the SD thing was handled (from what we, the fans, can speculate), it's not surprising that she wasn't mentioned much. And I find it an utter DISGRACE to Prue that the Sisters could Astral Project. Disgusting!
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 12, 2008 8:42:53 GMT -5
Why is it disgusting that astral projection can be taught?
Ms. Donovan said she was taught how to astral project by Mr. Monkeyshines (the gnome).
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 12, 2008 19:49:58 GMT -5
Do you think Prue is the only person in the world who should be able to astral project, or would you be fine with it if other witches possessed the power as long as they were born with it?
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Post by foxfire on Jul 12, 2008 21:46:17 GMT -5
Just for continuity sake, if Kern had to make up some BS about the Cleaners and why they didn't help during Prue's death would be that the Elders may have known about Paige around that time and knew that in order for the sisters to meet Paige, Prue had to die. Some stupid thing like that is what Brad Kern would have to work out.
As for the astral projection, I didn't mind it so much. I thought it was nice they even bothered to reference Prue. After all, Brad Kern had to write it as a pseudo-series finale so he had to mention Prue somehow and that's how they did it. And the sisters probably could astral project via a spell. Seems likely.
As for them not summoning Prue. My guess is they did. Just never in an actual episode. It would just be an untold story of Charmed. Meh... who knows maybe someday they'll make a Charmed movie (they did one for Sex and the City and Shannen's even returning to 90210... so...)
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Post by foxfire on Jul 13, 2008 11:19:02 GMT -5
Prue's death was probably the consequence of magic getting exposed so the Cleaners didn't feel the need to intervene. But we all know that the Cleaners were just a plot device and weren't given proper continuity.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 14, 2008 4:50:29 GMT -5
It's hinted that The Cleaners possess presentience or some form of premonition, so they probably foresaw that Tempus would reset time to reverse the magical exposure.
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Post by jenna on Jul 14, 2008 9:52:26 GMT -5
Cole was probably planning on it, but after he left the Source's chambers, the Source told his guard "Once I have reset time, detain him." So, he wouldn't have had a chance to warn them.
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Post by foxfire on Jul 14, 2008 22:54:55 GMT -5
It's implied that it was too late to save Prue. As in by the time Leo got there, Prue was already dead while Piper was still alive. That's at least the impression I got.
It's not the Cleaner's job to save the Charmed Ones... they could care less if they existed. They even wanted to erase baby Wyatt (right?) so it wouldn't have mattered if Prue died as a result of covering up the existence of magic.
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Post by neishaann on Jul 14, 2008 23:03:42 GMT -5
I have a headache! Lol. I mean I was curious about all of this too. But I just shook it off since it's just a show..and then I learned to look at it from a different point of view! Thanks!
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 14, 2008 23:23:38 GMT -5
No, what probably happened is that Leo orbed himself and Phoebe back up to Earth, and Cole shimmered after them.
Leo, Phoebe, and Cole arrived at the manor, only to find Prue dead and Piper on the brink of death. Leo healed Piper.
The Cleaners don't have the power to turn back time...and since Prue's death didn't lead to magical exposure, they saw no need to reverse Prue's death.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 15, 2008 0:16:25 GMT -5
If you wish to read one fan(atic)'s solution to the conundrum, read my screen play: All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2. This can be accessed in my forum: charmedverse.proboards74.com.
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Post by foxfire on Jul 17, 2008 23:03:39 GMT -5
That was in the first alternate dimension. That reality isn't real (although for some reason the Charmed Ones refer to it.... writers and their continuity issues...).
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Post by whitelightertony on Jul 17, 2008 23:52:39 GMT -5
The Cleaners certainly saw the Halliwells' magic exposed to the world...but I'm saying that, if the Cleaners possessed prescience, they would have foreseen Tempus turning back time to reverse the exposure. So they never found a need to "clean up" after the Halliwells and Shax in the first timeline.
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Post by foxfire on Jul 18, 2008 11:46:53 GMT -5
But that's of no consequence to them. They're a neutral party who could care less about if a Charmed One dies or not.
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Post by foxfire on Jul 18, 2008 12:14:46 GMT -5
Not necessarily. They weren't created by the Elders (I don't think...) they're just kind of there. They clean up magical messes... good or bad.
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Post by foxfire on Jul 18, 2008 14:29:24 GMT -5
Yeah, they're definitely neutral. They wanted to take baby Wyatt away, didn't they? I don't think that qualifies them as good.
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Post by foxfire on Jul 18, 2008 16:44:36 GMT -5
That's like saying Gideon was good because he knew Wyatt was going to be evil...
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