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Post by MarAcev on Jul 26, 2007 10:51:43 GMT -5
Probably because season 3 Prue was more obsessed and focused on demon fighting than her personal life. If there was an episode that showed this very clearly, it was Sight unseen. It seemed that after Andy, Prue wasn't really interested in a steady relationship.
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Post by foxfire on Jul 26, 2007 12:41:51 GMT -5
I still don't think so. I mean, at the end of "Sight Unseen" you can clearly see Prue is ready for the dating game. Unfortunately, they didn't do much to play on that.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 9, 2007 23:15:13 GMT -5
I've always wondered if that was because they already knew that she was going to get canned, so they didn't want to start off a character and then not know what to do with him. Which is a shame, because the guy could've mourned her death, too.
I really liked Paige, but I always missed Prue. Seeing Piper turn into a whiney self-centered b*tch and Phoebe turn into Freebie/PhoeME, both who totally forgot about innocents and were always only concerned about themselves and their family, when neither was that way while Prue was alive shows how very much both of those two depended on her and whose characters deteriorated once Prue was gone.
Like you, I really went into the show not wanting to like Prue due to Shannen--I wanted to see Alyssa who I knew from Who's the Boss and Holly who I knew from Pickett Fences. I'd never watched Beverly Hills 90201 and Shannen was one of the big reasons. But the way she took care of her sisters and the way she cared for innocents, well, I loved all three sisters by the time the first season was over and hated watching the way Piper and Phoebe changed.
Prue wasn't perfect in any sense of the word. Someone in a different thread called her obsessive-compulsive and a perfectionist, and I agree totally. Add that to her pride, and, oh, yes, there was enough to make people dislike her. But her huge heart, the way she continued to mourn Andy even when he was gone for a half-season (can't say that about any other sister), yes, she was someone to look up to. And I liked the other two best when she was there to make sure they walked the straight and narrow. It's why the first three seasons will always be my favorites.
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Aug 10, 2007 7:33:08 GMT -5
i like prue but after she died piper and phoebe's characters had to change!
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 10, 2007 9:05:44 GMT -5
Yes, they did. But her death could've made them stronger emotionally-wise, not just power-wise, so they would've become better, not worse! There was no sister to admire by the time S8 came around, the reason I can't stand S8--not a single sister to like or admire, except Paige and you saw *very* little of her. Prue would've whipped Piper and Phoebe into shape. They proved that they needed her desperately, which shouldn't have been the case. That's what I hated the worse--that as their outside becomes more beautiful and their powers became more powerful, the flaws we saw in their characters in the first few seasons--Piper's whineyness and Phoebe's self-centeredness--because stronger, making them seem ugly in my eyes. All my own opinion, of course, but it's truly the way I felt. By Forever Charmed, I couldn't stand to look at either of them, so I was glad the show was done.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 10, 2007 11:41:47 GMT -5
I'm going to reply to Esmeralda's statements. I agree with you so much! However, there are some points I don't agree with.
I agree with the simple fact that Prue was really Wonder Witch. She was the strongest witch and therefore set an example for her sisters. She rarely let them get out of line and that was awesome. Yes, Prue did have her faults but if she was perfect no one would like her! Let's face it, everyone's going to have a character they don't like but they're also going to have characters they do like. For me, I love Prue.
I will also agree with you that the Charmed Ones didn't give a rat's butt about Innocents by season eight. They became too concerned with their own personal lives!! Did you ever see Batman whine and complain about not being able to date? NO! Then again... he never really had trouble with that. Of course, some would say the Charmed Ones' destiny's were fulfilled... but that's a bad excuse. They're given these powers so they can do good. Frankly, the way they turned out in season eight made me gag. Billie was really the eye-opener for me. Her willingness to fight demons was really something very reminescent of Prue and it really ignited a fury inside of me. It made me realize how these girls had changed.
However, I will excuse Paige. She's obviously one of the sisters who really ever had her brain still in tact. Throughout the seasons she was the one who had the instincts (can't stress that enough) and the heart to care about others. Let's count, shall we? She was a social worker, she knew something was up with Cole, she improved her skills as a witch, she helped people with her temp jobs, she helped the kids at magic school, she took care of her charges (though she was reluctant at first), she knew the Avatars were bad news AND FINALLY she was really the one who didn't want to give every aspect of her witch life up!!
Also slightly related to Prue, is the matter of the misconception of the role Shannen had on TV. I'm talkin' Brenda from 90210. While co-hosting the View Shannen admitted that people would always ask her why her character was such a four-letter word (it begins with a b). I've seen most of the first couple of seasons of 90210 and Brenda was one of the few characters with a heart. I think they were mistaking her for that blonde witch Kelly (who BTW stole Brenda's boyfriend).
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 10, 2007 12:19:15 GMT -5
Firefox, I can tell that we both love our comic books! We know that you don't have to add extra powers to make heroic characters more noble, more someone to look up to, and that character is just as much, if not more, important than looks or powers.
You're right--I don't blame Paige either. As I've pointed out, she became my favorite sister after Prue was gone. Of all the sisters, she actually showed some nobility in the final season with the way she actually cared about her charges. About the only season when she didn't was Season Six and then she was more dodo Valley Girl than our Paige who was smart enough to graduate from college. I was glad that we got our Paige back in S7 & S8, the way I always loved when we'd see *glimpses* of our Phoebs and Middle-sister Piper in the later seasons. It was why I *really* liked Drake--he brought my Phoebs back! And it's also why I kept watching the show--I was always looking for those glimpses of the two sisters I had loved so much during the earlier seasons--none in S6, a few in S7 and next-to-none in S8.
And those two sisters, the ones who had grown up under Prue's influence were the ones I was talking about, not Paige. Obviously Paige's stepparents did a better job raising her than Grams and Prue did raising Piper and Phoebe! The worst part of S8 (AND Forever Charmed) was that there so very little of Paige, outside of that rush to get her married. I loved the fact that at the end, she was the only one of the sisters still using her powers to do good.
Of course, the true person I blame is whoever helped mold the characters, be it the actresses themselves (I'm sure Alyssa shares a lot of the blame for turning Phoebs into Freebie/PhoeME!), Brad Kern, Aaron Spelling (I know you're not supposed to speak evil of the dead, but...), Duke Vincent, the higher-ups at The WB or whoever else changed them from women who girls could look up to and model themselves after to the fantasy of a teenaged boy's wet dream: sexy, dumb, whiney, self-centered and totally dependent on their men, true parodies of the strong, independent sisters we knew at the beginning. I'll never forgive whoever was behind that.
As such, I'm truly glad that Shannen left, because I can just about imagine what they would've done to my favorite sister--probably make her even a bigger uber-b*tch than she already was, so I would've ended up hating her as much as I hate the other two.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 10, 2007 12:22:36 GMT -5
Oh, as far as Shannen herself goes--I never watched BH90210; just not into those types of show, the way Charmed, Birds of Prey, Reba and 7th Heaven were the only shows I watched on the WB--so it was the bad-girl image that Shannen herself had developed (a bit like Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears) that made me think I wouldn't like Prue, not Brenda.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 10, 2007 19:09:59 GMT -5
I have a feeling Shannen would have fought long and hard against any major changes to her character. She'd been through the soap opera thing before (90210 could be considered soap opera light). If anyone watches Breaking Up With Shannen Doherty you can actually see the real woman she is. Shannen is extremely mature on the show and often sees through the men. Furthermore, I can't get over the clothes and the shoes this girl wears! However, most of it remains classy. Finally, she is put in situations where she should punch guys out but she keeps her cool. And they say she has an anger management problem *rolls eyes*
Anyway, I cringed when you said Paige's stepparents did a better job at raising her than Prue+Grams did to Phoebe and Piper. Frankly, I think that the writers forgot about Prue and forgot the impact she left on these girls. BAD WRITERS! BAD!!
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Aug 11, 2007 7:54:10 GMT -5
prue made such an impression on the girls!
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Post by pruers on Aug 12, 2007 2:59:45 GMT -5
hi to all fans of charmed im new here and ive just started to watch charmed but actually i was watched them in our place in series but i never watch them continously. i love prue the way she wear the dress and carry herself as a modern woman of today to all those messegaes that ive read theyre correct for their comments about prue shes a born leader its look and it seems deep inside of her. i have one question which i want to ask long time for all people watched and always watching americas series or interested somkina showbizness, i want to know why shannen remove from the charmed? its somekina hasnt been the same without prue. thanks
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Post by Hansemand on Aug 21, 2007 9:59:42 GMT -5
Just thought that you should know this, but on the message-board for Charmed on IMDB, they have come up with a brand new serie, specially created for Prue.
Prue: The Series.
The plot is that Prue gets a temporary second chance of life, but she can't tell her sisters about it.
The Elders will send her on missions on Earth saving the innocents and if she pleases The Elders, she will be granted the gift of full life and can be reunited with her sisters.
The serie is suppose to take place in New York, so that she won't run into her sisters by accident.
Read the complete idea on the board for Charmed on IMDB.
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Post by loobyhelm on Aug 23, 2007 6:53:30 GMT -5
I was sad to see tht Prue died.
(but i was shocked to find the truth between the actors)
i thought Prue was really good, i loved her powers and that she was still in love with Andy.
The best clip when she had her powers was when her and Pheobe were in the drug store and all the stuff fell of the shevels as Prue was so argry with things that her mind judt went. Bang.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 24, 2007 16:33:15 GMT -5
"Now, wait a minute, there foxy. Don't you think you're being a tad too unkind. I mean we were dead. At least, we were supposed to be. It's not like we had a whole bunch of time to sit down and figure out all the ins and outs. If we're supposed to be dead, how are we supposed to protect demons. And, we tried to protect innocents, at least I tried to. I had Billie play detective when innocent lives were being lost to the Thosis, the Impmaster and his imp minions. And, we did try to rescue the kids from Maliceland. It really, really sucked not being able to do this out in the open. And, my sisters and I finally admitted as much in Rewitched." Paige with a lengthy reply to ms. foxfire's comments on the Charmed Ones in Season 8.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 28, 2007 10:13:24 GMT -5
"Now, wait a minute, there foxy. Don't you think you're being a tad too unkind. I mean we were dead. At least, we were supposed to be. It's not like we had a whole bunch of time to sit down and figure out all ins and outs. If we're supposed to be dead, how are we supposed to protect demons. And, we tried to protect innocents, at least I tried to. I had Billie play detective when innocent lives were being lost to the Thosis, the Impmaster and his imp minions. And, we did try to rescue the kids from Maliceland. It really, really sucked not being able to do this out in the open. And, my sisters and I finally admitted as much in Rewitched." Paige with a lengthy reply to ms. foxfire's comments on the Charmed Ones in Season 8. I agree with you, Paige! You did SUCH a fantastic job! You truly cared for the innocents, putting them above you and your family, unlike your sister Piper who put her family above them and Phoebe who put Phoebe above them, something Prue didn't let either do. I wish *so* much that they had let you be the leader of the Charmed Ones, Paige. You had the training from your social work. You had the love, the caring, the nobility to put others that you didnt' know above yourself and your family. Despite being the youngest, you could've fill Prue's shoes so much better than Piper did! Had they let YOU be the leader of the Charmed Ones, Piper still could've been the heart of her family and concentrated on Leo, Wyatt and Chris (she might have even been able to raise her kids and not keep foisting them on Victor!), Phoebe could've still been the baby and concentrated on her looking for her daughter's father, and the Charmed Ones still would've done their duty, the duty you guys agreed to do when the Angel of Destiny had given you the chance to give up your powers and have Piper's "normal life" (we know that in a day or so, she would've started griping about not having her powers, right, Paige?). I wish the Angel had given you guys the same choice after Billie got Leo back for Piper (Piper certainly didn't...), because we know that you would've been outnumbered, Paige--Phoebe wanted her job and her daughter; Piper wanted her normal life--that was shown during Billie's visionquest. Hopefully the Angel would've let you keep your whitelighter powers so you could continue to follow what was obviously your destiny, Paige--once Prue died, you were the only one who deserved to keep them. Somewhere, Prue is SO proud of you, while she wants to kick her other sisters' a$$e$! |
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Post by foxfire on Aug 28, 2007 12:43:27 GMT -5
It'd be nice if there had been some sort of sense of leadership within the Charmed Ones. I do think they had that with Prue and Paige tried to do it, but Piper shot her down.
It's really all about balance and a connection between the sisters. If there isn't a proper balance (even in Piper-centric, Phoebe-centric, Paige-centric episodes) then the stories fall flat and leave fans going "But what about my favourite?"
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 28, 2007 13:49:18 GMT -5
"Well, thanks, missy. Oh, there were times when I wanted to be the leader. And, Piper didn't really approve. You know how she is. Of course, she wouldn't. She was the new older sister, yada, yada, yada. But, Henry set me straight. You know with Richard, I had great ideas but he rarely followed my advice. I couldn't really get him to give up on magic till it was practically beaten into him. What kind of leader am I if I can't get my boyfriend to change his ways? Well, anyway, Henry pointed out that it's much better to lead when needed and be a team player when required. Now that I've got two daughters, I know I can't be super-witch. Prue or no Prue, I've got a family and a husband to worry about. Besides, I'd rather be the screw up with Phoebe than be the oh so infallible leader. Sorry, gotta go, Pheebs is on the line. What's she done now?"
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 28, 2007 14:07:29 GMT -5
"Well, thanks, missy. Oh, there were times when I wanted to be the leader. And, Piper didn't really approve. You know how she is. Of course, she wouldn't. She was the new older sister, yada, yada, yada. But, Henry set me straight. You know with Richard, I had great ideas but he rarely followed my advice. I couldn't really get him to give up on magic till it was practically beaten into him. What kind of leader am I if I can't get my boyfriend to change his ways? Well, anyway, Henry pointed out that it's much better to lead when needed and be a team player when required. Now that I've got two daughters, I know I can't be super-witch. Prue or no Prue, I've got a family and a husband to worry about. Besides, I'd rather be the screw up with Phoebe than be the oh so infallible leader. Sorry, gotta go, Pheebs is on the line. What's she done now?" OK, who's replaced Paige this time? Before I knew that it was her talking; now I know it's not. Even with her children, even with Henry telling her something, Paige wouldn't have let them come before taking care of her charges, something Henry understood because he took care of *his* charges. There's no way Paige would become Piper, the way they tried to make her Phoebe when she first became part of the show. And, no, I don't want her to become Prue, because then she wouldn't be Paige. I just want her to be Paige. And the fact that the future-forward shows her helping other witches and the fact that she's the one who said that that's what her future was all about, along with raising her family, while Phoebe and Piper concentrated on their non-magical careers and their family is what tells me that, no, even with a family, like Prue, Paige would put her charges first and Henry would most definitely understand. He would be very disappointed in her if she didn't.  I hate seeing Paige leave; it was fun talking to her again. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 28, 2007 14:11:45 GMT -5
It'd be nice if there had been some sort of sense of leadership within the Charmed Ones. I do think they had that with Prue and Paige tried to do it, but Piper shot her down. It's really all about balance and a connection between the sisters. If there isn't a proper balance (even in Piper-centric, Phoebe-centric, Paige-centric episodes) then the stories fall flat and leave fans going "But what about my favourite?" I don't think they necessarily needed the leadership, but they most certainly needed the balance. It's what made the show Charmed and not Leo Loves Piper. |
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Post by foxfire on Aug 28, 2007 21:23:00 GMT -5
Or maybe they needed direction? You know. Guidance. But isn't that what Leo was for? Did he abandon his job as the whitelighter to the Halliwells for his other charges and then for his sons?
I can't really remember Leo giving the girls guidance a lot. I mean, I do remember they made a whole big stink about him not being around in "Oh My Goddess". But the last time I remember him really giving pep talks and being there for them was when Phoebe admitted that she didn't vanquish Cole. Even then he wasn't a shoulder to lean on.
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I hate seeing Paige leave; it was fun talking to her again.