Would Prue's Powers have Grown...

[Esmeralda]

if she was still on the show? In the second season she was able to make herself be in two places I'm not sure if she ever used that part of her powers again I'm still watching the second season. Later on in the show Piper power changed she was able to blow up stuff instead of freeze and I forgot how Pheobe powers grew.

Saw that at another site and found it interesting so I thought I'd bring it here. Here's my response:

If Shannen Doherty remained on the show, you can be guaranteed that Prue would've always had the strongest power, so as Piper's explosions power grew stronger, her TK would've grown stronger to the point where she could also kill demons with it, and I would've been even more bored. Just like Prue all-of-the-sudden gained martial arts in order to be more powerful than Phoebe. All part of keeping Shannen the star.

Phoebe's powers didn't grow; instead she got new ones - levitation and empathy, neither which had anything to do with seeing the future. As the new star with Shannen gone, they had to give Alyssa Milano's character an active power.

So?? What think you guys?

[forbuss]

Well I disagree with the fact that they had to give Phoebe an active power because Shannen left.. Phoebe got her two other powers at the beginning of season 3 and 6, Well before they knew Shannen was leaving, and well after Prue's death. I do agree with those powers not really having anything to do with Premonition.

That being said, I 100% think that they gave Piper her exploding powers at the end of season 3 because they knew (The writers/producers, not the actors) that Shannen was going to be leaving/fired, and needed to give Piper a power, because Prue had the only offensive power.

[Rebecca Malfoy]

I kinda liked how Prue's power took most of season 1 to grow so that she wasn't always squinting to have use her telekinesis. I think eventually Prue would've gained something like Billie's projection power. And I'm almost positive that her astral projection power (which I think should've been given to Phoebe instead of levitation) would've of grown to the power where her astral self could use her telekinesis in that form and eventually her original self could move around along side the projection.

I liked that Phoebe got empathy, just hated the execution of the power. She shouldn't have been able to channel the power of demon's or her fellow witch's. Maybe tap into a muted version of her sister's power when absolutely desperate.

I think Piper's combustion power was just fine, but instead of making her power's molecular I would've just made it more along the lines of rapid aging that caused the demon to combust.

[Esmeralda]

Aug 28, 2012 12:31:42 GMT -5 Rebecca Malfoy said:

I kinda liked how Prue's power took most of season 1 to grow so that she wasn't always squinting to have use her telekinesis. I think eventually Prue would've gained something like Billie's projection power. And I'm almost positive that her astral projection power (which I think should've been given to Phoebe instead of levitation) would've of grown to the power where her astral self could use her telekinesis in that form and eventually her original self could move around along side the projection.

I liked that Phoebe got empathy, just hated the execution of the power. She shouldn't have been able to channel the power of demon's or her fellow witch's. Maybe tap into a muted version of her sister's power when absolutely desperate.

I think Piper's combustion power was just fine, but instead of making her power's molecular I would've just made it more along the lines of rapid aging that caused the demon to combust.

OH! That would've made her power make so much more sense!

[Melinda Halliwell]

If Prue had been on the show post Season 3 I think her Telekinesis power would've advanced like it did in 'Morality Bites' being pure telekinetic energy & she could destroy things like buildings or caused tidle waves or earthquakes even.

Prue would move & lift bigger objects without there been 3 of her like in that season 1 episode.

She'd throw Demons, Warlocks etc further away i.e half way across the world like her ancestor Brianna did & she would've been able to make people float or fly even.

With Astral Projection she would've used Telekinesis in that form & eventually her real self been concsious to.

Prue could travel through the different planes of existence, possessed non supernatural & supernatural people maybe like she did with the demon Vinceras or even move people & objects to in that mode i.e a limited form of teleportation.

[Astral Alex]

I definitely think that Piper would not have her explosion power, I think it would have grown stronger but I think they would have developed her astral projection powers more, as developing her TK into sending demons halfway across the world would have been way too easy and eventually would've got boring, as an audience we knew there would be no threat against Prue.

I think she would have been able to use TK in astral form and eventually kept both bodies awake, turning it into a sort of cloning power. However, I think Piper, Phoebe and Paige's powers had a bit more scope - Prue's TK was powerful enough and making it super powerful would have eliminated the sense of danger (a bit like Piper's explosion power killing demons did).

[Melinda Halliwell]

I see your point there that's true. Perhaps if she'd got a 3rd power maybe something like Thought Projection but in a defensive way which would help her out of trouble but make Prue still use TK as her main power though.

It's a shame they gave Piper Molecular Combustion when Shannen was leaving because it didn't feel like the Power Of Three anymore as in you didn't need every sister to vanquish one Demon all the time which's what the show was & what I liked them been a unit, a team. At least she couldn't blow up every evil being I suppose.

I would've either had her 2nd power as Super Strength or Intangibility but she still used Molecular Immoblization as her main one & then given her invisibility or super speed as a last power to couple with the others.

Although the bill alone to repair all the furniture Piper broke if she had SS trying to control that lol.

I would've still had Phoebe got Empathy but not as much like Rebecca Malfoy said. I'd have had her read people emotions & still channel them but not powers or be able to replicate them like she did Piper's as I think that made her too powerful in my opinion.

Instead her other powers would've been hightened if she'd read anyone with or without them but too much like she could've got Premonitions without touching them. Recall them & share them with other people or if not anticpate an opponents move before them & with Levitation be able to lift & float people or objects with her hand.

[Melinda Halliwell]

& with Empathy she could've had a more healing aspect part of that than just helping someone through her column but actually be able take their pain away if they felt sad, guilty or depressed like if she'd had that around the time of Maggie Murphy & stopped her falling of the building.

[forbuss]

Melinda, I think it would have been really cool if Phoebe have gotten Intangibility! Seeing her walk through walls would have been awesome.

Here is a thought on Prue's TK - maybe she could have advanced it so much that she could have ripped demons in half (using one hand to pull the demon one way, and the other etc) - this may have been to graphic to capture on the show, but it would have been cool! Or if she could continuously use her TK and lift a demon and smash him/her into a wall, the against another wall, etc. She wouldn't loose control over the object she was controlling until she wanted to, instead of just a single throw that she doesn't control past the initial throw.

[Esmeralda]

I still don't see how intangibility has anything to do with seeing the future. Any power that doesn't, Phoebe shouldn't have gotten.

I'd also hate to see Prue become that powerful when I hated Piper being so powerful that she could get rid of demons without her sisters' help. Anything that took away from the Power of Three was bad news as far as I was concerned - pure Jump the Shark moment, and both of these would be that.

Had their powers developed into what we saw during "Morality Bites" by the eighth season (and not before), I'd be happy. But how they did, I wasn't.

[Melinda Halliwell]

Sorry if I confused you Forbuss & Esmeralda I meant that Piper got Intangibility as a possible 3rd power not Phoebe.

[forbuss]

Yes, that makes sense! Anything would make sense paired with Pipers powers because of how they are explained in the show - she possibly would have eventually been able to manipulate molecules to do whatever she wanted them to.

[forbuss]

Es, I think it would have been cool for Phoebe to have the power of Telepathy, or possibly to create illusions (make people see things that aren't there, or alter their perception of things). She could make herself disappear to a demon by controlling his mind to the point where he didn't even think she was there. The demons would have to get a lot tougher, though. Haha.

[Astral Alex]

If all four sisters had appeared until Season 8 (with Paige's powers being as normal) I would've like this:

Prue:
TK (Season 1; develops into more advanced TK in Season 4, able to pull demon's apart, lift cars etc.)
Astral Projection (Season 2; is able to use TK in astral mode from Season 4 onwards, develops into almost a cloning power from Season 6/7)

Piper:
Freezing (Season 1; develops as normal)
Exploding (Season 3; never able to kill demons outright, unless low level)
Invisibility (Season 7; a rarely used power, cannot freeze/explode whilst invisible until necessary, say in the Season 8 finale)

Phoebe:
Premonitions (Season 1; begins to develop into Astral Premonitions from Season 5, where she appears at the scene of her premonition as a sort of spirit and is sometimes able to change events)
Empathy (Season 5; as seen is series although she can only tap into powers in special circumstances, mostly used to predict movements in demons)
Telepathy (Season 8; able to read thoughts, develops late into last Season as not too make demon hunting too easy)

Paige:
TK Orbing (Season 4; seen as normal, however she is able to control the power non-verbally from Season 7 onwards, and it develops into more conventional TK - i.e, less orbs glowing around the object)
Orbing (Season 4; develops as normally - I like how this power developed in the show)
Levitation (Season 6; Paige develops this power as it stems from her TK abilities and also from her Whitelighter powers, which are more diluted due to her witch half)
Healing (Season 8; Paige only uses this power once in the finale, when it is essential that she saves her sisters - paving the way for her to choose a destiny and possibly unlocking the rest of her Whitelighter powers.)

They would be my dream powers for the girls anyway...

What do you think?

[Melinda Halliwell]

In my opinion as I've said in my previous posts each sisters newer powers would've been different so they did their own thing & coupled their preexisting one but none of them could do the same thing as the other persons powers like Paige & Phoebe both channeling energy balls back for example.

Regarding Paige her Telekinetic Orbing would've advanced to been able to call objects non verbally. She could move bigger objects & also a group of people at any time to.

Paige would be able to orb limbs of supernatural beings & even far in the future just have to imagine what she'd like to orb in her head without seeing it first i.e Psychokinetic orbing.

With her 2nd power she'd able to move her conciseness into another person & access their memories. A crossover between Astral Projection & Telepathy & then project that back into her mind though Paige's real self would be dormant like Prue was leaving her vulnerable to attacks but this would couple well with Phoebe's Empathy power.

Paige would finally be able to project one of her powers onto someone else for a limited time period i.e give Phoebe the ability to orb for 5 minutes say which she could do on a none supernatural person to & in the future be able to project more than one power at a time & for a longer period. Though would be dangerous if she did that with a Demon or Warlock but probably counter whatever they gave back at her.

[prueturner61]

I believe that Prue's powers would be more powerful than Paige's ever could be.

[universalcharmed]

Sept 10, 2012 12:08:37 GMT -5 prueturner61 said:

I believe that Prue's powers would be more powerful than Paige's ever could be.

I find that slightly doubtful because Paige while her powers were shrunken was able to orb the dollhouse from the underworld to the the manor. A full sized Paige would be able to orb things similar to size of the manor after what 5 years. After 3 she had the Power to TKO a car based off her Mr. Wrong during it which possessed Paige's powers, in the sense she conjured him and they shared a connection that allowed him to use the powers. Prue After 10 years could send a kinetic shockwave that blew up a portion of the attack. So it is pretty much Attic(prue) vs House(Paige) which one is stronger. 

However as we seen with Mortality bites and the Comics her Telekinesis would have grown strong. It was strong enough to lift an SUV. 

[Hexenwerk]

Jun 10, 2018 2:20:23 GMT -5 universalcharmed said:

Sept 10, 2012 12:08:37 GMT -5 prueturner61 said:

I believe that Prue's powers would be more powerful than Paige's ever could be.

I find that slightly doubtful because Paige while her powers were shrunken was able to orb the dollhouse from the underworld to the the manor. A full sized Paige would be able to orb things similar to size of the manor after what 5 years. After 3 she had the Power to TKO a car based off her Mr. Wrong during it which possessed Paige's powers, in the sense she conjured him and they shared a connection that allowed him to use the powers. Prue After 10 years could send a kinetic shockwave that blew up a portion of the attack. So it is pretty much Attic(prue) vs House(Paige) which one is stronger. 

However as we seen with Mortality bites and the Comics her Telekinesis would have grown strong. It was strong enough to lift an SUV. 

I think it's somewhat difficult to accurately judge this, though. The strength and development of powers in the latter seasons was dealt with much differently than in the first two seasons and part of the third (we start seeing this shift near the end of the third season to the style of the later seasons). The emphasis of the show earlier on was not the powers so much as the analogy between their life and real life and the lessons and morals for the viewer to learn from their circumstances.

Furthermore, while we see a demonstration of Prue's power in "Morality Bites," that was:
a) a short, one-off occasion
and b) an accident. Prue didn't mean to use her telekinesis then, it just happened. We have no accurate idea of what her telekinesis would look like after ten years without her intentionally using it, and preferably the actual future!Prue demonstrating it rather than the Prue of season two in her future body, considering that the former would have a better grasp on what she could accomplish with it.

Not to mention that we don't know how the powers would continue to progress over time and when and if they plateaued. Even if Paige's powers became stronger faster than Prue, it might just mean that her power level plateaus earlier and that Prue might've needed more time for her power to come into its full.

[universalcharmed]

Jun 10, 2018 21:57:13 GMT -5 Hexenwerk said:

Jun 10, 2018 2:20:23 GMT -5 universalcharmed said:

I find that slightly doubtful because Paige while her powers were shrunken was able to orb the dollhouse from the underworld to the the manor. A full sized Paige would be able to orb things similar to size of the manor after what 5 years. After 3 she had the Power to TKO a car based off her Mr. Wrong during it which possessed Paige's powers, in the sense she conjured him and they shared a connection that allowed him to use the powers. Prue After 10 years could send a kinetic shockwave that blew up a portion of the attack. So it is pretty much Attic(prue) vs House(Paige) which one is stronger. 

However as we seen with Mortality bites and the Comics her Telekinesis would have grown strong. It was strong enough to lift an SUV. 

I think it's somewhat difficult to accurately judge this, though. The strength and development of powers in the latter seasons was dealt with much differently than in the first two seasons and part of the third (we start seeing this shift near the end of the third season to the style of the later seasons). The emphasis of the show earlier on was not the powers so much as the analogy between their life and real life and the lessons and morals for the viewer to learn from their circumstances.

Furthermore, while we see a demonstration of Prue's power in "Morality Bites," that was:
a) a short, one-off occasion
and b) an accident. Prue didn't mean to use her telekinesis then, it just happened. We have no accurate idea of what her telekinesis would look like after ten years without her intentionally using it, and preferably the actual future!Prue demonstrating it rather than the Prue of season two in her future body, considering that the former would have a better grasp on what she could accomplish with it.

Not to mention that we don't know how the powers would continue to progress over time and when and if they plateaued. Even if Paige's powers became stronger faster than Prue, it might just mean that her power level plateaus earlier and that Prue might've needed more time for her power to come into its full.

I am only going off of what was actually shown rather than speculation and assumptions because if I apply that to Prue I would have to apply it to all the characters. The first seasons actually did focus on power especially when it came to Prue so I have to disagree with you on that one. The later seasons were really no different in that area from the earlier ones. 

I have no issue with Speculation but if you do it you can't simply do it for Prue and then belittle the other characters. 

[Hexenwerk]

Jun 11, 2018 0:45:37 GMT -5 universalcharmed said:

Jun 10, 2018 21:57:13 GMT -5 Hexenwerk said:

I think it's somewhat difficult to accurately judge this, though. The strength and development of powers in the latter seasons was dealt with much differently than in the first two seasons and part of the third (we start seeing this shift near the end of the third season to the style of the later seasons). The emphasis of the show earlier on was not the powers so much as the analogy between their life and real life and the lessons and morals for the viewer to learn from their circumstances.

Furthermore, while we see a demonstration of Prue's power in "Morality Bites," that was:
a) a short, one-off occasion
and b) an accident. Prue didn't mean to use her telekinesis then, it just happened. We have no accurate idea of what her telekinesis would look like after ten years without her intentionally using it, and preferably the actual future!Prue demonstrating it rather than the Prue of season two in her future body, considering that the former would have a better grasp on what she could accomplish with it.

Not to mention that we don't know how the powers would continue to progress over time and when and if they plateaued. Even if Paige's powers became stronger faster than Prue, it might just mean that her power level plateaus earlier and that Prue might've needed more time for her power to come into its full.

I am only going off of what was actually shown rather than speculation and assumptions because if I apply that to Prue I would have to apply it to all the characters. The first seasons actually did focus on power especially when it came to Prue so I have to disagree with you on that one. The later seasons were really no different in that area from the earlier ones. 

I have no issue with Speculation but if you do it you can't simply do it for Prue and then belittle the other characters. 

I'm not belittling the others? I certainly hope not, at any rate, as that is not my intention. I was just trying to point out the problems with comparing Prue and Paige's powers based off of a small sample size that may have accuracy issues in the first place. I don't think it's unreasonable to speculate that Prue's powers ten years down the line could have been more than we saw, considering the points I made above. I think it's also worth noting that Paige had real support with her magic when she first started out and that probably allowed for her powers to develop much more quickly because she had more guidance than flailing around and hoping that she was doing things right in the same way that the other three sisters did when they first became witches. I'm glad that she became a skilled witch so soon because it allowed her to stand on an equal footing with the other two and vanquish a lot of serious foes.

To be honest, there's really no point in comparing their powers in regard of power level except for speculative fun, considering that their powers aren't identical and there's no way to accurately quantify power level anyway. Prue was said to be the strongest sister by some characters in the first iteration of the Charmed Ones, but I never understood how that made sense in the first place when all of their powers had different applications. Like, Piper could easily be much more dangerous than Prue using her power to stop time. It all depends on the usage.

I'm wondering if my use of the word 'plateau' was what led to the idea that I was belittling? I try to communicate clearly, but sometimes my phrasing can be a bit opaque. I didn't mean to use 'plateau' as "becomes weaker" or anything like that, but rather as the "reaching of max ability." Such as with the development of a child, where some kids reach developmental goals like walking sooner or later than others, but they generally all achieve the same level of ability eventually (ignoring factors like disability, gross motor problems, etc.). So basically, Paige could be a faster magical grower than Prue (and this would be a huge advantage of hers, considering the enemies she had to fight so soon; it could even be that those foes necessitated her magical powers to rapidly increase) and reach her peak level of magical might (assuming that individuals' power levels in the Charmed world stop advancing at some point) perhaps even years earlier than it would take Prue to finally reach her utmost prowess.

Obviously, none of these ideas are canonical and are free to be taken or left as desired. I'm just bringing up the issues that factor into my reluctance to determine whether Prue or Paige would be stronger.