The Elders vs Leo & Piper in Season 7

[Esmeralda]

I'm transferring parts of a different thread here to continue this discussion.

Feb 8, 2013 16:54:22 GMT -5 @warriorprincess8 said:

I'm currently watching season 7. To me it still doesn't make any sense why the elders would care if Leo and Pipe were back together. If anything, it seemed they wanted Leo away from his family. Tricking him as posing as a truck driver is proof in itself the Elders were nothing but manipulaters. If they wanted Leo and Piper together, why the dire extremes to bring them apart? It was Leo who chose to fall from grace anyway.

Feb 8, 2013 17:01:42 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I've always believed that the Elders in S7 were the whitelighters who were raised to Elderhood after the original ones (who were usually right, even if Piper never thought so - as soon as Leo and Piper started to fall in love, he should've been taken away and kept away because they *couldn't* do their jobs...either that, or Leo should've given up his wings as his wedding gift to Piper...) were massacred by the Titans, thanks to Chris not telling Leo in time for Leo to warn the Elders, and who, like Leo, had the power go to their heads. They were more demonic than the demons, who with the lone exception of Zankou were simply pitiful as villains - including the Source, the Triad, Dumain, the Jenkinses in S8.

The true villains in S7-8 were the sisters themselves.

I'm curious to see if I'll feel the same way during my own re-watch where I'm skipping S5 and S6 and certain S7 episodes...

And, OH! Are we getting off-topic! We should transfer this topic to a different thread!

Feb 8, 2013 17:40:48 GMT -5 @warriorprincess8 said:

I just don't see why they would care about their relationship. They had already split up in season 6 and had no interest whatsoever. Gideon even tells Leo
"Its time to cleanse yourself of the sins of the flesh. Its time to leave your family and become a full time elder."

I don't see how being married and having a family is sinful but whatever. According to Gideon, Leo was in sin? So that perception must be implanted in the other elders as well? So why help bring them together?

I think Gideon was just using the idea of it being sinful in order to get Leo away from his family, knowing that Leo would be the one most likely to prevent Gideon from killing Wyatt (which is why I think Chris sent Leo to Valhalla...)

That's not what was going on in Season 7. They were trying to separate him because as proven in Season 6, he couldn't do his duty as an Elder if he was also with Piper, just like he hadn't done his job as a whitelighter since he and Piper got married, and especially after Prue died when Piper made him feel guilty for not saving her, so suddenly Leo gave in to everything that Piper wanted and wasn't a true guide at all.

The original Elders let Piper and Leo get married because they saved their a$$es from Eames the darklighter, an extraordinarily stupid reason since it now let Piper think that she could do whatever she wanted to, especially after Prue was killed and Piper started guilting Leo into letting her do whatever she wanted him to do because he hadn't savd Prue.

Also stupid, so but so typical Brad Kern.

[Chrisaholic]

I think the Elders are chapters per se. I mean, all are different and it seems that in S7 they are mostly needing Leo to fight against the Avatars, at the beginning. But then, when the father and Elder decides to follow their wish, he fell in disgrace. The one thing Leo wanted to do here is to protect his family which wasn't even allowed at first. If Leo should have stayed an Elder or whitelighter before, the Elders or higher Powers should have kept him in line which they did not. After all, many rules were broken during the series.

[Esmeralda]

Which is all why a whitelighter should never have kids. As soon as he does, protecting them becomes his high priority - which is what it should be. BUT as a whitelighter, his high priority is supposed to be his charges. Truly, in order to marry Piper, Leo should've given up his wings. Had he done that, what a better series it would've been, where both boys would've been witches, not witches with whitelighter powers.

Paige, who was born in secret, should've been the only witchlighter.

[Reality Bites]

Feb 9, 2013 13:31:59 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Which is all why a whitelighter should never have kids. As soon as he does, protecting them becomes his high priority - which is what it should be. BUT as a whitelighter, his high priority is supposed to be his charges. Truly, in order to marry Piper, Leo should've given up his wings. Had he done that, what a better series it would've been, where both boys would've been witches, not witches with whitelighter powers.

Paige, who was born in secret, should've been the only witchlighter.

I agree, Leo should have just given up his wings to be with Piper shortly before their marriage, especially since he ended up as a regular mortal by the end of the series anyway. They could have introduced a replacement whitelighter who was a recurring role. Someone who appeared in a handful of episodes per season when it required the Charmed Ones to work with The Elders. With Paige's orbing, a regular whitelighter wasn't needed every episode anymore.

[Esmeralda]

Actually if Paige could go Up There the way Chris could, they wouldn't have needed a whitelighter at all. The Elders could've given the Charmed Ones a new one at the time of the wedding (someone like Natalie would've been fun - or even Sam - Sam, Patty and Victor at Piper's wedding could've been a LOT of fun - and would be the Elders' way of getting back at Leo for giving up his wings for love!) who could train Paige to be a whitelighter the way Piper trained her to be a witch, and then leave once Paige could handle the job.

Actually another idea - Andy...

[ljones]

I agree, Leo should have just given up his wings to be with Piper shortly before their marriage, especially since he ended up as a regular mortal by the end of the series anyway.

Did Paige give up her whitelighter duties when she married Henry? Did Piper and Phoebe give up being a witch when they married? If not, why should Leo give up his wings to be with Piper?

[thepowerofnicki]

I always thought that the elders were always divided with some factions against the marriage some for it, and some just wanting Wyatt to be born as "the twice blessed child".

I agree with ljones Leo did not need to clip his wings. He could have found a way to balance things, like regular working parents do. I always thought it was lazy writing from the producers that they over used the story of them not being able to maintain some sort of work life balance. I mean a few times every season would have been alright and more realistic.

[SEERofCHAOS]

I can understand why the Elders took a more active role in the later season. When they were first introduced, they stayed rather behind the scenes, and Leo states their powers were more mental than active. However, after Eames infiltrated, and the Titans massacred most of them, the Elders probably decided they needed to take a more active role in protecting their a$$es, which could explain why they had powers like ligtning bolts in the later seasons. It probably didn't help that Leo killed Gideon, making them a bit more paranoid.

[Chrisaholic]

Good way of explanation, Seer. This makes sense why the Elders became more active in the later seasons.

[unakite]

The Elders'll not underestimated, after a powerful warlock like Eames put them in jeopardy, the Charmed Ones's talent and the importance of their relationship with Leo