Who sent the original message on the spirit board?

[Esmeralda]

Saw this at another site and found it interesting, so I decided to see what you guys think. I've edited the message to leave out the OP's opinion so it won't affect yours.

In "Something Wicca This Way Comes", when Phoebe, Piper and Prue get the message "ATTIC" on the spirit board (that leads them to Book of Shadows), who do you think sent it?

Since it was never really explained, what do you think?

[Astral Vision]

Taking into consideration the fact that Leo would not officially be their whitelighter (despite him creepily admitting in future seasons that he's watched over them their whole lives), so not him.
I doubt it would be Grams' ghost considering her reservations about them never being close enough as sisters to start their destiny as the Charmed Ones in 'Pre-Witched'.
I would assume that the fact that the sisters were reunited in the manor - and due to Grams being dead (for some reason in 'That Seventies Episode', Grams thinks her death could loosen the bind on their powers)- that message was subconsciously caused by the Power of Three. I don't know how much sense that makes.
Either that or the Angels of Destiny?

[Esmeralda]

An extremely interesting answer, which I'm going to post at the other board.

I'll post the conversation from the other site and see if it changes the way you look at it:

The OP wrote:

My best guess would be their mom, Patty. If I remember "Pre-Witched" correctly, Patty was fighting for them to have their powers but it was Grams who said they weren't ready. Plus, it was a gift from their mom and had the inscription from her too. I'd have to say it was either her or some other witch from the Warren line.

Another member wrote:

I always thought grams since she was the one flipping the book all the time back then. But it's also said to be the magic in the house. The book of shadows sensed the presence of the power of three and was drawing them too the book.

I wrote:

I like both of those theories, but I really do like the idea of it being Patty, since as the OP pointed out, in Pre-Witched, Grams didn't think they were ready, when Patty thought they were. She's also the one who both gave them the spirit board and wrote the inscription on the back.

Grams just started turning the pages once they had proven that, yes, they were ready to be the Charmed Ones.

But I think I like your idea better!

[cyma]

Aug 29, 2013 12:17:54 GMT -5 Astral Vision said:

Taking into consideration the fact that Leo would not officially be their whitelighter (despite him creepily admitting in future seasons that he's watched over them their whole lives), so not him.
I doubt it would be Grams' ghost considering her reservations about them never being close enough as sisters to start their destiny as the Charmed Ones in 'Pre-Witched'.
I would assume that the fact that the sisters were reunited in the manor - and due to Grams being dead (for some reason in 'That Seventies Episode', Grams thinks her death could loosen the bind on their powers)- that message was subconsciously caused by the Power of Three. I don't know how much sense that makes.
Either that or the Angels of Destiny?

Here's the latest post built upon your interesting theory

I agree partially. Grams death just broke the temporary binding spell on their powers which they had as kids. But now that I've had time to think of this it definitely had to be patty moving the pointer on the spirit board or some magic she put on it to guide them to the book. In the 70s show at that point patty didnt know they were the charmed ones but she must have figured it out sometime later in the future after their powers were bound by Grams because of the Nicolas pact, sometime before she died that prompted her to get them the spirit board.


"To my three beautiful girls. May this give you the light to find the shadows. The power of three will set you free. Love, Mom."

So my theory around the events of season 1 episode 1 and the girls and their powers are as follows

1) Patty and maybe grams at some point had figured out the girls were the charmed ones. Patty got them the Spirit board hoping it would help them find their way to eventually receiving the ultimate power of 3 since their regular powers had been bound. Cant believe Grams even tried to finally completely strip them of being witches and getting access to the power of 3 just before she died. We never really learnt exactly what those ingredients would have done to them. Death was probably her punishment for trying to interfere with the destiny of the power of 3

2) After grams bound their powers and died the temporary binding spell was lifted but here is where it gets confusing. Their regular magical powers should have come back immediately. In pre-Witched once Grams died their powers should have returned. Just like paige got hers even before the power of 3 was reconstituted. But my theory is that because the girls quarreled so much and phoebe immediately left after grams death and eventually prue, there wasnt enough sisterly bond to restore their powers at that time as their powers are tied to their bond together as sisters.

3) Then for them to receive the ultimate power of three could only be received after they said the spell in the book on a full moon. Probably why grams locked the attic incase they found the book and figured it out before they were ready. Who knows, maybe patty got a premonition of Grams doing all this, from phoebe while still in her womb thus making her get them the spirit board to help them find their way back to magic and the power of 3.

[Astral Vision]

I went searching for the board you guys were getting this from and found it, but since I can't be bothered to make an account there, I'll say it here: Surely, the question isn't 'who sent the original message on the spirit board?' but the fact that Prue (or Piper, I can't remember which of the two found it) happened to find and bring out the Spirit Board on the day that Phoebe returned from New York?

[Esmeralda]

You most definitely have a point. I'll post it over there and see what they think.

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"2) After grams bound their powers and died the temporary binding spell was lifted but here is where it gets confusing. Their regular magical powers should have come back immediately. In pre-Witched once Grams died their powers should have returned. Just like paige got hers even before the power of 3 was reconstituted. But my theory is that because the girls quarreled so much and phoebe immediately left after grams death and eventually prue, there wasnt enough sisterly bond to restore their powers at that time as their powers are tied to their bond together as sisters."

In the case of Paige, the reason why she had her orbing power prior to reconstituting the PO3 was due to her whitelighter half though, so I don't see what that has to do with what your saying. I agree that the sisterly bonding was down and could've been a reason why their powers didn't return immediately, but if thats the case, why were the Charmed Ones able to be reconstituted if they had 0 relationship with Paige in Charmed Again? there was no bond there.

[Chrisaholic]

I'd say it was their Mom, Patty. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense. After all, Grams was dead for six months and Patty already longer. Maybe they both felt that the time was then right for the sisters to get their charmed powers--for good.

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Sept 1, 2013 8:39:55 GMT -5 Chrisaholic said:

I'd say it was their Mom, Patty. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense. After all, Grams was dead for six months and Patty already longer. Maybe they both felt that the time was then right for the sisters to get their charmed powers--for good.

I agree. I always felt it was their mom, especially after the inscription on the back being from her. Grams before she died didn't seem like the girls could handle the responsibility of being witches. They were a hot mess, but Patti seemed adamant that they could and work out their issues. She wasn't the one who fought their destiny, Grams did. When Grams died, they were all still distant and a mess. Phoebe took off leaving her sisters breaking their bond. If anything Phoebe leaving strained their relationship even worse. Leaving after a relatives death, the moment when they should've put differences aside and be there for eachother. But that never happened. When she returned they clearly still had issues, especially Prue. Why would Grams move the pointer if they were still bickering? The reason why she bound the powers in the 1st place. It makes sense at least to me it was Patti. She believed in her daughters and by moving that pointer, helped them work out their personal issues. The witchcraft actually brought them closer, something Grams never thought to consider. I think "Pre Witched" for me, is confirmation it was Patti, just listen to their conversation.

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I agree as well. It's got to be Patty. Or it could have been the spirit of the woman who died at the beginning of Something Wicca This Way Comes - she had the Charmed tattoo on her shoulder. Maybe she came from the same coven through a different lineage.

Whether or not Patty was that powerful enough or willing to interfere in the living world is also questionable.

I don't think it was Grams unless she changed her mind when Phoebe came back home to San Francisco to live with Prue and Piper again.

It could have been more than one person as well. The chest which contained the Book of Shadows had a bright light beaming on it in the Attic when Phoebe first found the book. Whitelighter/Elder factor here as well?

It could have been Jeremy for all we know. He wanted their powers right? And knew that they were the Charmed Ones. I could see him construct the whole thing in the background, manipulating Piper to feel sorry for Phoebe and offer her to come back home.

Its what I love about this show. No matter how crazy it got. There was always 5 explanations of why what happened... happened!

[CharmedBOSthanh]

My guess their mum Patty.

[pixiesunbelle]

I think that it was their mother, Patty.

[Astral Echo]

I think the more interesting question that has been posed here is:

Why did the sisters powers not come back when Grams died? The spell to bind their powers was undone when she died (as stated in That 70's Episode) so why did they not surface earlier?

[Chrisaholic]

I think with all them being separated (only Phoebe in New York) and living as three under one roof, that's why their powers didn't come straightaway when Grams passed away. It's my explanation and besides, Phoebe read this spell in the Book in the beginning. Which means that they had to be together here.

[forbuss]

I definitely think that Jeremy is a possibility. He said that he had been watching them and waiting until they received their powers to make his move, so maybe he was just waiting for Phoebe to return and for his chance to guide them to restore their powers. It showed him creeping outside of their house in the episode, so maybe he was waiting for a way to guide one of the sisters to the attic - Phoebe got the spirit board randomly, and he used this as his opportunity to send them a message to go to the attic.

Patty could have also easily put a spell on the spirit board, and that is why it spelt attic. She could have even cast the spell as a ghost after her death when she found out grams was planning on keeping their powers from them.

Food for thought!

[Reality Bites]

Oct 29, 2013 11:11:45 GMT -5 forbuss said:

I definitely think that Jeremy is a possibility. He said that he had been watching them and waiting until they received their powers to make his move, so maybe he was just waiting for Phoebe to return and for his chance to guide them to restore their powers. It showed him creeping outside of their house in the episode, so maybe he was waiting for a way to guide one of the sisters to the attic - Phoebe got the spirit board randomly, and he used this as his opportunity to send them a message to go to the attic.

Patty could have also easily put a spell on the spirit board, and that is why it spelt attic. She could have even cast the spell as a ghost after her death when she found out grams was planning on keeping their powers from them.

Food for thought!

Ohhh!! Interesting, that is very different from the other answers I've just read in this thread! It's a good theory! 

[forbuss]

Nov 11, 2013 21:33:33 GMT -5 Reality Bites said:

Oct 29, 2013 11:11:45 GMT -5 forbuss said:

I definitely think that Jeremy is a possibility. He said that he had been watching them and waiting until they received their powers to make his move, so maybe he was just waiting for Phoebe to return and for his chance to guide them to restore their powers. It showed him creeping outside of their house in the episode, so maybe he was waiting for a way to guide one of the sisters to the attic - Phoebe got the spirit board randomly, and he used this as his opportunity to send them a message to go to the attic.

Patty could have also easily put a spell on the spirit board, and that is why it spelt attic. She could have even cast the spell as a ghost after her death when she found out grams was planning on keeping their powers from them.

Food for thought!

Ohhh!! Interesting, that is very different from the other answers I've just read in this thread! It's a good theory! 

Which one? Patty or Jeremy? Haha.

Thanks! I'm not sure which theory I would say "happened" but then again, no one knows haha.

[Esmeralda]

OOOOO! I also really like the idea that Jeremy as a warlock (evil witch) could've cast a spell that allowed him to lead Phoebe to the attic. He could've even been the one who used his magic to make the electricity go bad.

OOOO, all sorts of interesting possibilities!

I wish he'd stuck around a bit longer - like Cole, it would've been nice for us to not find out what they really were until farther into their season.

[Reality Bites]

Nov 12, 2013 20:37:11 GMT -5 forbuss said:

Nov 11, 2013 21:33:33 GMT -5 Reality Bites said:

Ohhh!! Interesting, that is very different from the other answers I've just read in this thread! It's a good theory! 

Which one? Patty or Jeremy? Haha.

Thanks! I'm not sure which theory I would say "happened" but then again, no one knows haha.

The Jeremy idea, haha! Really different idea, and very viable!

[summers]

Dang so many good theories in here. I never even thought about this before.

As plausible as many of our theories are, I don't think the writers at the time thought this far ahead ..