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Post by cyma on Aug 30, 2013 7:13:14 GMT -5
Paige’s death: Who exactly killed her before she could attend Prue’s funeral? Avatar Cole? Or did he inform the Source about her and Shax was sent to kill her?
Paige’s whitelighter powers: Avatar Cole transformed back to half-demon he used to be. Could the reason she didn’t have her whitelighter powers were because the Paige of the reality was dead?
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Post by Astral Vision on Aug 30, 2013 8:06:10 GMT -5
Paige’s whitelighter powers: Could the reason she didn’t have her whitelighter powers were because the Paige of the reality was dead? This one always bothers me when people moan that it was never addressed properly in the episode, because I think it was. Avatar Cole assumed Belthazor Cole's life, so yes, Paige did assume dead Paige's life, and it makes sense that a dead person would not have any active powers, so despite Paige still being able to walk around (although she herself is not dead like the alternate Paige is), she won't have any powers either - but... Now that I think about it, if that is definitely the case, the Power of Three shouldn't have reconstituted at the end of the episode just before they vanquish Cole, because Paige technically has no powers at all. Then again, the fact that the Avatars have to ask Cole to change things back before anything happens, despite the fact that they told him that he has assumed B-Cole's life in this reality never made sense either. If A-Cole is back to being B-Cole, he wouldn't have the power to change reality back to normal whether he were to obey Alpha's request or not, because he only received the power to change reality when he became A-Cole... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 8:09:47 GMT -5
It was clearly stated in the episode the reason why Paige didn't have her powers was because the Paige in that alternate reality had been killed. As for the person who killed her, I believe it was Shax.
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A lot of things in this episode didn't make sense. But this is one thing I absolutely could not tolerate! I couldn't stand how they tried to justify Phoebe's actions of marrying Cole and siding with him in season 4.
"We both know the only reason why I'm here is so what happened to Prue, doesn't happen to Piper and you know it."
Such a fowl and absurd statement. It was cheap attempt at making Phoebe seem like a victim when she knew damn well what she was doing and getting into, especially in that alternate dimension. But in Charmed its never Phoebe's fault just Cole's.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Sept 1, 2013 8:35:08 GMT -5
Oh great, I'm getting a headache by just reading it!  Anyway, I agree with ColetheSource that a lot of things in this episode didn't make sense. One thing I can remember is that wrong birthyear of this Paige, along with death year. You can correct me if I'm wrong. Also with the powers, I have the feeling that the rules for them were defined for the revelant episode of the show. My opinion. |
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Post by Astral Vision on Sept 1, 2013 8:41:30 GMT -5
Her birth date was definitely wrong. I think they said she was born in 1975 in that episode instead of 1977. That would make her the same age as - actually she was born in August, so that would make her older than - Phoebe. I think Phoebe's born in November, considering she made a 'I'm Scorpio' comment that was very similar to Prue's use of the same comment in a completely different episode.
I don't recall her death year being wrong. As long as she didn't meet Piper and Phoebe, her death year could have been any year that predated that episode... I cannot recall what year they said she died on her gravestone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 11:42:02 GMT -5
Yes! I cannot believe they got Paige's birth year wrong and no one had the sense to say "Hey, thats not right" It was very sloppy and as a viewer felt like the writers didn't care. As far as the death date being wrong, I don't remember what the date was. But it had to be sometime after "All Hell Breaks Loose" and before "Charmed Again" I don't know what month those occured but I do know "Charmed Again" was a week after the season 3 finale. Her death couldn't had been any year prior, it wouldn't make sense seeing as how Prue was still alive. The Oracle foresaw Paige after Prue's death. The only difference Cole changed was the circumstances to have Shax's assassination succeed before Paige met Phoebe at the funeral.
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 23, 2017 13:41:26 GMT -5
I think he went back to the night they saved Paige. Instead of going to p3, they went to another building and found her dead 1st the club later. That is where it ends.
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Post by gzv969 on Feb 28, 2017 16:34:50 GMT -5
Who Killed Paige? : All that was mentioned was that the Source had Paige killed. So it's possible it was still Shax just as he tried in the real reality. My thought is in this alternate reality phoebe and Cole never returned from the underworld in AHBL, they get detained. The Source still reversed time, Shax kills Prue and Phoebe probably agrees to remain with Cole and live in the manor in order to prevent Piper from dying also since as far as she's concerned in this alternate reality there's no more power of 3. The source still finds out about Paige's existence and still has her killed by shax before her sisters find out about her.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 28, 2017 19:35:27 GMT -5
Who Killed Paige? : All that was mentioned was that the Source had Paige killed. So it's possible it was still Shax just as he tried in the real reality. My thought is in this alternate reality phoebe and Cole never returned from the underworld in AHBL, they get detained. The Source still reversed time, Shax kills Prue and Phoebe probably agrees to remain with Cole and live in the manor in order to prevent Piper from dying also since as far as she's concerned in this alternate reality there's no more power of 3. The source still finds out about Paige's existence and still has her killed by shax before her sisters find out about her. That is what I think. They never returned from the underworld, so Shax killing Paige made so much sense. If Phoebe never returned to Piper. Piper and Leo left to fend for themselves. I wonder if this episode was made up of dropped storylines from the beginning of season 4 had Prue stayed? Because I keep hearing and read on the Charmed Cafe that this was what was intended. So it does feel like this episode could of been the start of season 4, only with Prue and Piper left to fend for themselves. Much like Cole going after the Nexus could have been an episode intended with Evil Phoebe and Cole or a story idea. I don't know. Am I onto something? |
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Post by gzv969 on Feb 28, 2017 22:45:45 GMT -5
Who Killed Paige? : All that was mentioned was that the Source had Paige killed. So it's possible it was still Shax just as he tried in the real reality. My thought is in this alternate reality phoebe and Cole never returned from the underworld in AHBL, they get detained. The Source still reversed time, Shax kills Prue and Phoebe probably agrees to remain with Cole and live in the manor in order to prevent Piper from dying also since as far as she's concerned in this alternate reality there's no more power of 3. The source still finds out about Paige's existence and still has her killed by shax before her sisters find out about her. That is what I think. They never returned from the underworld, so Shax killing Paige made so much sense. If Phoebe never returned to Piper. Piper and Leo left to fend for themselves. I wonder if this episode was made up of dropped storylines from the beginning of season 4 had Prue stayed? Because I keep hearing and read on the Charmed Cafe that this was what was intended. So it does feel like this episode could of been the start of season 4, only with Prue and Piper left to fend for themselves. Much like Cole going after the Nexus could have been an episode intended with Evil Phoebe and Cole or a story idea. I don't know. Am I onto something? You may be on to something. Kind of makes sense that this may be how season 4 was intended to be. |
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Post by imdb lives on on Mar 1, 2017 4:45:20 GMT -5
I never thought of that before and it works. It could give some glimpse into the original season 4
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 5, 2017 3:25:33 GMT -5
That is what I think. They never returned from the underworld, so Shax killing Paige made so much sense. If Phoebe never returned to Piper. Piper and Leo left to fend for themselves. I wonder if this episode was made up of dropped storylines from the beginning of season 4 had Prue stayed? Because I keep hearing and read on the Charmed Cafe that this was what was intended. So it does feel like this episode could of been the start of season 4, only with Prue and Piper left to fend for themselves. Much like Cole going after the Nexus could have been an episode intended with Evil Phoebe and Cole or a story idea. I don't know. Am I onto something? You may be on to something. Kind of makes sense that this may be how season 4 was intended to be. I never thought of that before and it works. It could give some glimpse into the original season 4 Something I just picked up on. Maybe so, but it would make one heck of a fanfic using ideas from those episodes and working it into a story if Prue didn't die. |
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Post by craig on Mar 5, 2017 3:35:23 GMT -5
You may be on to something. Kind of makes sense that this may be how season 4 was intended to be. I never thought of that before and it works. It could give some glimpse into the original season 4 Something I just picked up on. Maybe so, but it would make one heck of a fanfic using ideas from those episodes and working it into a story if Prue didn't die. I would read that. |
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 6, 2017 2:58:36 GMT -5
You may be on to something. Kind of makes sense that this may be how season 4 was intended to be. I never thought of that before and it works. It could give some glimpse into the original season 4 Something I just picked up on. Maybe so, but it would make one heck of a fanfic using ideas from those episodes and working it into a story if Prue didn't die. I was thinking about this angle all weekend and trying to figure out how this could have worked in a story if Prue didn't die and I think I finally figured out how Prue would have been worked into the story. She'd have to have been captured by the Source and kept as a prisoner to ensure Phoebe and Cole did what he asked - which is live in the Manor and protect the Nexus from Good and harness it for Evil. Maybe after the events of AHBL, Piper and Prue were healed by Leo. So then they went back to the Underworld to get Phoebe, and in a failed attempt Prue is captured but Piper escapes with Leo's help. Phoebe goes along with the Source’s bidding in hopes he'll not go after Piper also. But Piper is now attacking and torturing/killing every demon until one will give up Prue's location, while in the meantime, Prue is a prisoner in the Underworld and is trying to escape daily. After a while, Piper isn't talking to Phoebe anymore as Phoebe’s started growing Evil and mean to her, as is Cole, being under the influence of the Nexus that is now corrupted for Evil and the Seer seeing to it that it stays that way. They build a fence to keep former family out. Piper’s relationship with Leo is also in turmoil as Leo doesn't agree with her methods and it causes a rift between them. But Prue eventually escapes a couple of episodes later near the end of the season, and has to somehow convince Piper to join her to take back the Manor because Piper wants nothing to do with Cole and the Source and thinks Phoebe is lost to Evil. They eventually fight their way into the Manor in hopes that Phoebe will be in a rhyming mood and will pick her sisters over Cole and agree to work with them to restore the Power of Three and fight off Cole. Everything then happens as it did with ’Centennial Charmed’when Paige and Piper went back into the Manor and the Power of Three was restored and they vanquish Cole or strip him of his powers and reclaim the Manor. Either way. I'd go with stripping Cole’s powers so we can still have the story when Cole is without powers and living with them and is trying to make up for what he's done. But eventually, out of anger, the Source unleashes the Hollow and we get that Season 4 story again but this time with Prue, and as before Cole saves the day with the Seer’s influence and eventually becomes the Source as we saw. The twist would be that in this version, after defeating the Source and the Seer shows up, the sisters would be angry at what she's doing there and not wonder who she is. But they will agree to work with her to banish the Hollow, and Prue would be the one to say the inscription with the Seer. The rest can continue the way it did, with Prue taking back her role from Paige. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 6, 2017 14:57:34 GMT -5
I like this gzv969. Would've made a good alternate storyline had Prue and Shannen stayed.
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Post by unakite on Mar 6, 2017 15:17:26 GMT -5
Who Killed Paige? : All that was mentioned was that the Source had Paige killed. So it's possible it was still Shax just as he tried in the real reality. My thought is in this alternate reality phoebe and Cole never returned from the underworld in AHBL, they get detained. The Source still reversed time, Shax kills Prue and Phoebe probably agrees to remain with Cole and live in the manor in order to prevent Piper from dying also since as far as she's concerned in this alternate reality there's no more power of 3. The source still finds out about Paige's existence and still has her killed by shax before her sisters find out about her. That is what I think. They never returned from the underworld, so Shax killing Paige made so much sense. If Phoebe never returned to Piper. Piper and Leo left to fend for themselves. I wonder if this episode was made up of dropped storylines from the beginning of season 4 had Prue stayed? Because I keep hearing and read on the Charmed Cafe that this was what was intended. So it does feel like this episode could of been the start of season 4, only with Prue and Piper left to fend for themselves. Much like Cole going after the Nexus could have been an episode intended with Evil Phoebe and Cole or a story idea. I don't know. Am I onto something? You would be right I recall an interview of Shannes in which she told that Brad Kern had written very beautiful scenes for her Prue character in season four This would explain why the four season begins with Cole and Phoebe back from Underworld without telling how they were able to get away: in the original project, Cole and Phoebe were still in Underworld and to survive they tore of his powers to the Source |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 8, 2017 2:42:49 GMT -5
Something I just picked up on. Maybe so, but it would make one heck of a fanfic using ideas from those episodes and working it into a story if Prue didn't die. I was thinking about this angle all weekend and trying to figure out how this could have worked in a story if Prue didn't die and I think I finally figured out how Prue would have been worked into the story. She'd have to have been captured by the Source and kept as a prisoner to ensure Phoebe and Cole did what he asked - which is live in the Manor and protect the Nexus from Good and harness it for Evil. Maybe after the events of AHBL, Piper and Prue were healed by Leo. So then they went back to the Underworld to get Phoebe, and in a failed attempt Prue is captured but Piper escapes with Leo's help. Phoebe goes along with the Source’s bidding in hopes he'll not go after Piper also. But Piper is now attacking and torturing/killing every demon until one will give up Prue's location, while in the meantime, Prue is a prisoner in the Underworld and is trying to escape daily. After a while, Piper isn't talking to Phoebe anymore as Phoebe’s started growing Evil and mean to her, as is Cole, being under the influence of the Nexus that is now corrupted for Evil and the Seer seeing to it that it stays that way. They build a fence to keep former family out. Piper’s relationship with Leo is also in turmoil as Leo doesn't agree with her methods and it causes a rift between them. But Prue eventually escapes a couple of episodes later near the end of the season, and has to somehow convince Piper to join her to take back the Manor because Piper wants nothing to do with Cole and the Source and thinks Phoebe is lost to Evil. They eventually fight their way into the Manor in hopes that Phoebe will be in a rhyming mood and will pick her sisters over Cole and agree to work with them to restore the Power of Three and fight off Cole. Everything then happens as it did with ’Centennial Charmed’when Paige and Piper went back into the Manor and the Power of Three was restored and they vanquish Cole or strip him of his powers and reclaim the Manor. Either way. I'd go with stripping Cole’s powers so we can still have the story when Cole is without powers and living with them and is trying to make up for what he's done. But eventually, out of anger, the Source unleashes the Hollow and we get that Season 4 story again but this time with Prue, and as before Cole saves the day with the Seer’s influence and eventually becomes the Source as we saw. The twist would be that in this version, after defeating the Source and the Seer shows up, the sisters would be angry at what she's doing there and not wonder who she is. But they will agree to work with her to banish the Hollow, and Prue would be the one to say the inscription with the Seer. The rest can continue the way it did, with Prue taking back her role from Paige. WOW this is awesome. Great stuff. That is what I think. They never returned from the underworld, so Shax killing Paige made so much sense. If Phoebe never returned to Piper. Piper and Leo left to fend for themselves. I wonder if this episode was made up of dropped storylines from the beginning of season 4 had Prue stayed? Because I keep hearing and read on the Charmed Cafe that this was what was intended. So it does feel like this episode could of been the start of season 4, only with Prue and Piper left to fend for themselves. Much like Cole going after the Nexus could have been an episode intended with Evil Phoebe and Cole or a story idea. I don't know. Am I onto something? You would be right I recall an interview of Shannes in which she told that Brad Kern had written very beautiful scenes for her Prue character in season four This would explain why the four season begins with Cole and Phoebe back from Underworld without telling how they were able to get away: in the original project, Cole and Phoebe were still in Underworld and to survive they tore of his powers to the Source If only we got a chance to see this. I would so have loved to see all of this play out in the intended fourth season. Oh well. |
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Post by sol on Mar 15, 2017 23:40:48 GMT -5
Paige’s death: Who exactly killed her before she could attend Prue’s funeral? Avatar Cole? Or did he inform the Source about her and Shax was sent to kill her? Paige’s whitelighter powers: Avatar Cole transformed back to half-demon he used to be. Could the reason she didn’t have her whitelighter powers were because the Paige of the reality was dead? If Prue had died and Phoebe and Cole had remained prisoners in Underworld. Piper's spell would call Paige and she'ld have been killed on the P3 terrace by Shax, without Phoebe to save her About Paige powers, I think it was a situation as in Halloween past episode, Paige didn't exist in that reality I love Centennial Charmed, it was the best tribute to the bond between the sisters: without Prue and Phoebe, my sweet Piper turned into an unrecognizable bad-ass demon hunter |
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 17, 2017 0:25:15 GMT -5
Paige’s death: Who exactly killed her before she could attend Prue’s funeral? Avatar Cole? Or did he inform the Source about her and Shax was sent to kill her? Paige’s whitelighter powers: Avatar Cole transformed back to half-demon he used to be. Could the reason she didn’t have her whitelighter powers were because the Paige of the reality was dead? If Prue had died and Phoebe and Cole had remained prisoners in Underworld. Piper's spell would call Paige and she'ld have been killed on the P3 terrace by Shax, without Phoebe to save her About Paige powers, I think it was a situation as in Halloween past episode, Paige didn't exist in that reality I love Centennial Charmed, it was the best tribute to the bond between the sisters: without Prue and Phoebe, my sweet Piper turned into an unrecognizable bad-ass demon hunter I couldn't agree more. That moment they reconstituted the power of 3 and Paige got her powers and phoebe realizing the power of three was alive again was one of the best parts. Paige calls for the potion and is about to take cole out. I wish Piper and Leo weren't unconscious and were awake to see that moment. |
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