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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 5, 2022 2:17:02 GMT -5
I vastly prefer the darker tone of the show and earlier seasons but it doesnt help that once they lightend up the show they also lightend up on the writing and so much became comedic and vastly inconsistent. Its like they forgot how to write a decent show. To be fair, even "Dark Charmed" had its inconsistent moments. I much prefer comedy over drama. And, it's subjective in what makes a "decent" show. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 5, 2022 11:08:36 GMT -5
I vastly prefer the darker tone of the show and earlier seasons but it doesnt help that once they lightend up the show they also lightend up on the writing and so much became comedic and vastly inconsistent. Its like they forgot how to write a decent show. To be fair, even "Dark Charmed" had its inconsistent moments. I much prefer comedy over drama. And, it's subjective in what makes a "decent" show. All of Charmed has been inconsistent. S5-8 takes the cake though, that much is....hard to argue otherwise. Even decent....good writing is....you can tell the difference. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 5, 2022 12:28:01 GMT -5
All of Charmed has been inconsistent. Yes, IK. I'm aware. Hence, why I brought up "Dark Charmed" being inconsistent, as well and not just "Light Charmed". Though, I will apologize for not using the word "too" nor the phrase "as well", when I said that. So, if that's where the misunderstanding took place, I'll apologize for that. My point being I'm not going to criticize "Light Charmed" for being inconsistent because even "Dark Charmed" had those moments, as well. Doesn't make sense, to me, to forgive "Dark Charmed" for its inconsistencies but then turn around and trash on "Light Charmed" for its inconsistencies, but I digress. S5-8 takes the cake though, that much is....hard to argue otherwise. "Takes the cake" in what, though? You make it sound like S5-S8 is "more" inconsistent than S1-S4, but I feel like they're the both the same. Even decent....good writing is....you can tell the difference. I can tell the difference from my perspective but not somebody else's. As I'm one of the few Charmed fans that doesn't hate the concept of Magic School, while the rest of the fandom trashes on it (which is fine). I believe the concept of Magic School is a good start but definitely needs some more fine tuning via not being in existence for (at least) 20 years and breaking the continuity. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 5, 2022 14:28:33 GMT -5
All of Charmed has been inconsistent. Yes, IK. I'm aware. Hence, why I brought up "Dark Charmed" being inconsistent, as well and not just "Light Charmed". Though, I will apologize for not using the word "too" nor the phrase "as well", when I said that. So, if that's where the misunderstanding took place, I'll apologize for that. My point being I'm not going to criticize "Light Charmed" for being inconsistent because even "Dark Charmed" had those moments, as well. Doesn't make sense, to me, to forgive "Dark Charmed" for its inconsistencies but then turn around and trash on "Light Charmed" for its inconsistencies, but I digress. S5-8 takes the cake though, that much is....hard to argue otherwise. "Takes the cake" in what, though? You make it sound like S5-S8 is "more" inconsistent than S1-S4, but I feel like they're the both the same. Even decent....good writing is....you can tell the difference. I can tell the difference from my perspective but not somebody else's. As I'm one of the few Charmed fans that doesn't hate the concept of Magic School, while the rest of the fandom trashes on it (which is fine). I believe the concept of Magic School is a good start but definitely needs some more fine tuning via not being in existence for (at least) 20 years and breaking the continuity. I was simply stating that yes, all of the show has been inconsistent, there's no more to it than that. S5-8 have been totally more inconsistent. Cole was possessed in S4, by S5 he's just Cole. They spend 13 episodes going back and forth with him/Phoebe "I love you" "You're evil, you dont know love", thats bad writing. Prue "taught" Leo how to astral project? Bad/inconsistent writing. Paige asks how Piper/Phoebe vanquished The Source.....she was there for the vanquish. They turn Zankou into a pig...that's not great writing. They have Chris essentially break up Piper/Leo and then goes "they need to sleep together or else I wont be born!".....thats inconsistent/bad writing. Witchstock takes place in 1967 with a young Grams...Prue is born in 1970/1971? We see Grams in 1975 whose totally different. That's bad/inconsistent writing. Preferring the lighter, more comedic S5-8 to the darker, more serious 1-4 is fine. But a spade is a spade. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 5, 2022 16:30:10 GMT -5
S5-8 have been totally more inconsistent. I'd be happy to objectively collect that data and share my findings in the Plot holes/inconsistencies that bug you thread, some time  Cole was possessed in S4, by S5 he's just Cole. This has actually been the topic of conversation, as this board has been re-watching S4, recently. And, I had (recently) brought this thread back to life, with the comments regarding this particular storyline, from the re-watches: Source. Because of it, in the "Plot holes/inconsistencies that bug you" thread, I mentioned the show's inconsistent flow in what it means for one to be "possessed" or not: Discussing if Cole was possessed or not and me comparing and contrasting the similarities between Woogy Phoebe and Source Cole, and the dialogue spoken about each incident, got me thinking about the inconsistency and flow of what possession really is, in this show. This is only S4, and we haven't even hit S5, yet!  by S5. They spend 13 episodes going back and forth with Cole/Phoebe "I love you" "You're evil, you dont know love", thats bad writing. First of all, I did notice how you only said "bad writing" and not "inconsistent", so I'll definitely agree that the whole 11 (technically) episodes of the whole "hating on Cole" series is what places S5 down at the bottom of my "Seasons Ranked" list. That, and it still didn't have very many good episodes, in this season, in general (even after Cole died, again). I only like 6/23 S5 episodes. I'm in full agreement that S5 is a garbage season. Second of all, I do want to point out S2 had a similar "Piper loves Leo!"..."Piper wants to be with Dan!"..."but Leo!" bad writing concept that S5 had, that just took up most of S2's time equally as much, if not more, since Dan is in like most (not all) S2 episodes. Which (if you'll notice) S2 is (also) ranked pretty low, on my "Seasons Ranked" list, as well. However, I do think S2 is miles better than S5, but I do think other seasons (this includes S6 & S7) are better than S2, sorry! Prue "taught" Leo how to astral project? Bad/inconsistent writing. Bad writing? Probably. Inconsistent? That's debatable. Lots of stuff, in the show, tends to happen "off-screen". The biggest one is Prue's death, and how Leo saved Piper but not Prue between S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose" (which I hate, but I digress) to S4E1 "Charmed Again, Pt 1". Or, how Prue became this master fighter by S3 with no real progression showing us how except for some ambiguous dialogue in S2E9 Ms. Hellfire that can mean anything -_- The show does this a lot to cheaply explain away their problems, and it's not reserved for just S5-S8. What would've worked better for me is if the Charmed Ones learned Astral Projection from either Ms. Donovan or Mrs. Winterbourne. As Mrs. Winterbourne was the one who had Astral Projection since S6E14 "Legend of Sleepy Halliwell" and according to what Ms. Donovan says in S7E14 "Carpe Demon" Mrs. Winterbourne "taught" Ms. Donovan (another "off-screen" moment, mind you) how to Astral Project. I'd find it more believable if the Charmed Ones "off screen" learned how to Astral Project from either one of those teachers, from Magic School rather than having Prue confide in Leo about how to Astral Project -_- Paige asks how Piper/Phoebe vanquished The Source.....she was there for the vanquish. What's funny about this moment is I understand why the writer responsible for this oof did what they did. The writer responsible for this oof is Jeannine Renshaw who didn't start writing for the series until S6E5 "Love's a Witch", and there is dialogue said in S4E13 "Charmed & Dangerous" how Phoebe asks Piper how they're going to vanquish the Source (without Paige present, and Piper's powers were gone due to the Hollow consuming them), and Piper (verbatim) says "we'll use potions. I'll make one that replicates my exploding power." Viola! This is how S8E4 "Desperate Housewitches" is born  I'll give Jeannine Renshaw "A" for effort 'cause her research wasn't wrong, but she just didn't research enough to be right either  During our re-watch of S4E13 "Charmed & Dangerous" I mentioned this, and I agree with this member in blaming Brad Kern (as he's one of the few left since S1) for not "proof reading" enough scripts being given to him to approve and getting the consistency right. But, hey, this is Brad Kern we're talking about here. Someone who invented the concept of Whitelighters since S1 and was inconsistent about them the whole time, before S5 ever came along, so what would he know about consistency, anyway? LOL They turn Zankou into a pig...that's not great writing. I believe that was their way of stalling Zankou, so they can get to the book. Many characters have turned into many things. If you meant you didn't like this angle as part of their "big battle" I agree. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of any of this show's finales (with the exception of S1E22 "Deja Vu all Over, Again"), if I'm being honest. With the absolute worst being S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose". I wish for that finale to burn in a fire and die. I wish I could unsee that garbage of an episode. They have Chris essentially break up Piper/Leo and then goes "they need to sleep together or else I wont be born!".....thats inconsistent/bad writing. Inconsistent? No. Bad writing? Again, this is all subjective. I think it's consistent of Chris to not really have a plan. He's a very short sighted character. I don't think he thoroughly thought through the damage he would do via not actually be created, by replacing Leo as the Charmed Ones whitelighter. Witchstock takes place in 1967 with a young Grams...Prue is born in 1970/1971? We see Grams in 1975 whose totally different. That's bad/inconsistent writing. Inconsistent, yes. Bad writing, not necessarily. If you ignore what the continuity is supposed to be, the episode (at face value) is a good episode (IMO). If we want to take a magnifying glass and look at every wrong detail, this show got wrong, we'll be here, for awhile and always angry that they got something wrong instead of enjoying the episodes, as they are. That being said, the show got Piper's birthday wrong. In S2E14 "Pardon My Past", according to the family-tree, Piper is born on August 7, 1973. That makes her a Leo. But, in S3E3 "Once Upon a Time" Phoebe says "I don't want to be out stubborn by a 'Gemini'" referring to Piper, but Piper is not a Gemini (at least, according to the lore of S2E14 "Pardon My Past"). This is why I said in the "Plot holes/inconsistencies that bug you" thread about not being bothered by inconsistencies in a season to season nor episode to episode basis. I'm more bothered by episodes that contradict themselves via S1E7 "The Fourth Sister", S2E15 "Give Me a Sign", S7E10 "Witchness Protection", etc. That's where it's like, OK now, get your story straight, for the episode! Preferring the lighter, more comedic S5-8 to the darker, more serious 1-4 is fine. And disliking the "Lighter Seasons" with no reason to give, is (also) fine, too. You don't have to give a reason why you don't like them, and it'll still be logically sound. Agree. It seems (for the most part) you don't like sprinkles of some things throughout S5-S8. There's A LOT of other content available in these seasons besides the ones that you mentioned, that are worth mentioning: S5E6 "The Eyes Have it" is S5's best episode. No other episode (IMO) tops this episode, for S5. I have yet to see anyone hate this episode. S6E7 "Soul Survivor" both Leo & Chris might as well not even be in the episode, as this is episode is about the sisters, only and saving innocents. S7E8 "Charmed Noir" is just a fun and enjoyable episode that's not about the Avatars per se (they're more like on the sidelines while something else is happening), and we get to experience Brody's "good side" that's not Avatar obsessed. S8E7 "The Lost Picture Show" & S8E12 "Payback's a Witch" are S8's strongest episodes, IMO. Also, I noticed you didn't mention anything that you didn't like from S8, which I found interesting but anyway...I love how Paige & Sam reunite, once more, in S8E7. And, I love seeing Paige learning how to heal (FINALLY!) in S8E12 "Payback's a Witch". 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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 5, 2022 17:45:52 GMT -5
This has actually been the topic of conversation, as this board has been re-watching S4, recently. And, I had (recently) brought this thread back to life, with the comments regarding this particular storyline, from the re-watches: Source. Because of it, in the "Plot holes/inconsistencies that bug you" thread, I mentioned the show's inconsistent flow in what it means for one to be "possessed" or not: It was pretty clear since they had "the source" refer to Cole in the third person "Coles love" (I'm the person who brought it up on reddit lol). That wasnt Cole, that was The Source being in the drivers seat and Cole just being along for the ride. Second of all, I do want to point out S2 had a similar "Piper loves Leo!"..."Piper wants to be with Dan!"..."but Leo!" bad writing concept that S5 had, that just took up most of S2's time equally as much, if not more, since Dan is in like most (not all) S2 episodes. Which (if you'll notice) S2 is (also) ranked pretty low, on my "Seasons Ranked" list, as well. However, I do think S2 is miles better than S5, but I do think other seasons (this includes S6 & S7) are better than S2, sorry! This isnt the same as what they did with Cole and Phoebe in S5. Piper/Leo were at a crosshairs in their relationship, unsure if they could be together and Piper was trying to move on with Dan. Someone who could give her that normal life. It's a storyline that actually went somewhere. Phoebe/Cole went nowhere. It was the same song and dance every.single.episode. The epic love that they had S3/4 was thrown out the window that Phoebe didn't care that Cole was dead. She moved on as if it were nothing. Bad writing? Probably. Inconsistent? That's debatable. Lots of stuff, in the show, tends to happen "off-screen". The biggest one is Prue's death, and how Leo saved Piper but not Prue between S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose" (which I hate, but I digress) to S4E1 "Charmed Again, Pt 1". Or, how Prue became this master fighter by S3 with no real progression showing us how except for some ambiguous dialogue in S2E9 Ms. Hellfire that can mean anything -_- The show does this a lot to cheaply explain away their problems, and it's not reserved for just S5-S8. That's definitely bad and inconsistent writing. Astral Projection was Prues power. It wasnt some spell or some potion. It was an advancement of her powers and you can't teach someone your powers. Piper can't teach Leo how to freeze time or blow things up just as Paige cant teach Piper how to Orb. Yes things happen off screen, their lives go on but that this is not one of them. We know that Prue/Phoebe trained how to fight. We know the type of character that Prue is where if she puts her mind to it, she'll go full throttle, thus her becoming such a fighter by S3. What's funny about this moment is I understand why the writer responsible for this oof did what they did. The writer responsible for this oof is Jeannine Renshaw who didn't start writing for the series until S6E5 "Love's a Witch", and there is dialogue said in S4E13 "Charmed & Dangerous" how Phoebe asks Piper how they're going to vanquish the Source (without Paige present, and Piper's powers were gone due to the Hollow consuming them), and Piper (verbatim) says "we'll use potions. I'll make one that replicates my exploding power." Viola! This is how S8E4 "Desperate Housewitches" is born  I'll give Jeannine Renshaw "A" for effort 'cause her research wasn't wrong, but she just didn't research enough to be right either  If you're going to be a writer for a show and put in callbacks to previous seasons....you should do your work and your boss, yes, should catch that if it is incorrect. Bad/inconsistent writing. I believe that was their way of stalling Zankou, so they can get to the book. Many characters have turned into many things. If you meant you didn't like this angle as part of their "big battle" I agree. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of any of this show's finales (with the exception of S1E22 "Deja Vu all Over, Again"), if I'm being honest. With the absolute worst being S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose". I wish for that finale to burn in a fire and die. I wish I could unsee that garbage of an episode. Piper turning into a werewolf knockoff, Phoebe in a banshee, Prue into an actual dog are not the same as turning her big bad into a badly CGI'd donkey.  Inconsistent? No. Bad writing? Again, this is all subjective. I think it's consistent of Chris to not really have a plan. He's a very short sighted character. I don't think he thoroughly thought through the damage he would do via not actually be created, by replacing Leo as the Charmed Ones whitelighter. Yeah its pretty bad when you dont think that kind of thing through and then everyone has to find a way to get them to have sex, be it against their will or not. It's very clear that the writers didn't think it through and much more likely that they didnt even plan on him being their kid. His motives change in the season and it's a glaring change. If we want to take a magnifying glass and look at every wrong detail, this show got wrong, we'll be here, for awhile and always angry that they got something wrong instead of enjoying the episodes, as they are. That being said, the show got Piper's birthday wrong. In S2E14 "Pardon My Past", according to the family-tree, Piper is born on August 7, 1973. That makes her a Leo. But, in S3E3 "Once Upon a Time" Phoebe says "I don't want to be out stubborn by a 'Gemini'" referring to Piper, but Piper is not a Gemini (at least, according to the lore of S2E14 "Pardon My Past"). [/quote[ Getting a birthday wrong by a year/month or two is not the same as getting their Grandmothers age totally wrong when it is 3 years before she becomes a grandmother and ages by 20 years. Me going 5 miles above the speed limit is a lot different from going 20 miles above the speed limit. One is a simple ticket, the other lands you in court. 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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 5, 2022 21:06:35 GMT -5
It was pretty clear since they had "the source" refer to Cole in the third person "Coles love" (I'm the person who brought it up on reddit lol). That wasnt Cole, that was The Source being in the drivers seat and Cole just being along for the ride. I do agree with the premise that Cole is possessed. But, I do agree with others in their confusion with "possession vs choice" concept and see where they're coming from (huh, small world ). This isnt the same as what they did with Cole and Phoebe in S5. Piper/Leo were at a crosshairs in their relationship, unsure if they could be together and Piper was trying to move on with Dan. Someone who could give her that normal life. It's a storyline that actually went somewhere. Phoebe/Cole went nowhere. It was the same song and dance every.single.episode. The epic love that they had S3/4 was thrown out the window that Phoebe didn't care that Cole was dead. She moved on as if it were nothing. I do think the S5 Phoebe & Cole storyline did go somewhere, but you have to look at it through Phoebe's lens. She was cold turkeying out any "bad influence" that would make her turn to the dark side, again. I'm beginning to see and understand those that said Phoebe was dealing with trauma. It was rather traumatizing, for her, to have to make that difficult choice between killing the person you love, to save your sisters. That being said, I think the whole situation should've been handled better. If Cole wasn't to remain dead in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen" nor S4E22 "Witch Way, Now?", then he should've left in S5E2 "A Witch's Tail, Pt 2" after saving Phoebe from being a mermaid, forever. That's definitely bad and inconsistent writing. Astral Projection was Prues power. It wasnt some spell or some potion. It was an advancement of her powers and you can't teach someone your powers. Piper can't teach Leo how to freeze time or blow things up just as Paige cant teach Piper how to Orb. Yes things happen off screen, their lives go on but that this is not one of them. We know that Prue/Phoebe trained how to fight. We know the type of character that Prue is where if she puts her mind to it, she'll go full throttle, thus her becoming such a fighter by S3. I'm sorry, I'll have to disagree on Prue having ownership over the power of Astral Projection. The actual first person we (the audience) see using Astral Projection (in any capacity) is Rex Buckland. Prue was the second, followed by Mrs. Winterbourne, Ms. Donovan and then the Charmed Ones, that I can recall. I'm definitely going to meet you halfway on the whole Astral Projection bit. I don't think it's within Prue's character to confide in Leo about her powers. Which is why I suggested if they were going to use the Astral Projection route, then they can name drop Mrs. Winterbourne and/or Ms. Donovan instead, as it would make way more sense, IMO. In regards to Prue becoming a master fighter due to learning how to fight, alongside Phoebe, I want to know where you're getting that information from. Which is why I mentioned S2E9 "Ms. Hellfire" in the first place because that scene isn't clear if it's Prue & Phoebe going together, or if Prue is dropping off Phoebe to her said training. I believe this is an infer by either Prue fans trying to explain why Prue is suddenly amazing at fighting, or somebody trying to make sense of it. Either way, I brought up that episode scene for a reason and even called it "ambiguous", as it wasn't clear and open to interpretation (which doesn't mean fact, BTW, just opinion ;P) If you're going to be a writer for a show and put in callbacks to previous seasons....you should do your work and your boss, yes, should catch that if it is incorrect. Bad/inconsistent writing. I agree. Javier Grillo-Marxuach credited writer (for both S1 & S2) for S2E11 "Reckless Abandon" should've done better research 'cause this episode changed the lore on how ghosts are vanquished compared to the lore back in S1E20 "The Power of Two" credited by Brad Kern. Both Constance M. Burge & Kern were Executive Producers, at this time, yet (somehow) this episode slipped through the cracks and breaking lore. Inconsistent writing. Debatable if it's a "bad" episode despite the inconsistency. Piper turning into a werewolf knockoff, Phoebe in a banshee, Prue into an actual dog are not the same as turning her big bad into a badly CGI'd donkey. I've already conceded that I don't like most (except S1E22 "Deja Vu all Over, Again") of the season finales, anyway. I think a lot of them are pretty bad. However, if it's the look that bothers you and not the episode premise, I can forgive Charmed's technical difficulties with CGI. I mean, remember the "PMS Werewolves"? Or, the dragon? None of them look any better. Yeah its pretty bad when you dont think that kind of thing through and then everyone has to find a way to get them to have sex, be it against their will or not. It's very clear that the writers didn't think it through and much more likely that they didnt even plan on him being their kid. His motives change in the season and it's a glaring change. Why is a short-sighted character considered "bad", though? Is there ever a situation where a short-sighted character is "good"? It is the popular consensus that most (not all) never believed Chris to be Piper's son. I never thought that way. I feel like he was always meant to be her son, based off of the dialogue said in S6E4 "The Power of Three Blondes". His motives changed accordingly, IMO, as one short-sighted character would, if they needed to fix a situation that they messed up/created. Getting a birthday wrong by a year/month or two is not the same as getting their Grandmothers age totally wrong when it is 3 years before she becomes a grandmother and ages by 20 years. Me going 5 miles above the speed limit is a lot different from going 20 miles above the speed limit. One is a simple ticket, the other lands you in court. Inconsistencies are inconsistencies regardless how "big" or "small". But, again, looking passed the inconsistency issue, the episode (itself & at face value) is still a good and fun episode to watch. And, I cannot fathom why the inconsistency issue is such a big deal, as it doesn't play a factor into the episode, itself. Yes, this episode breaks the continuity (for the series, as a whole), but it's not a bad episode because of it, on its own individual basis and disconnected from the rest of the series. I don't think every single episode of S5-8 are bad and I give them props where props are due in my rewatch reviews but it doesnt change how the season is overall. Correct, as you only mentioned sprinkles of things in an episode or two out of all 22-23 episodes, in a season, across the span of S5-S8. Even then, you're biggest complaint against S7 is the finale via one single episode, out of the entire season. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 6, 2022 0:06:46 GMT -5
I would state dark with lighter elements, that is where I would have loved Charmed too be, not too dark that it becomes unwatchable but not to light that it defeats the seriousness of the villains and their overall story these women are the strongest so naturally they will meet some dark opponents along the way, with them only getting darker and that is why I would have left the Source to be killed at the finale of season four, with season five opening up to them writing about their accomplishment over the Source of All Evil.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 7, 2022 15:02:48 GMT -5
Astral Projection was Prues power. It wasnt some spell or some potion. It was an advancement of her powers and you can't teach someone your powers. Piper can't teach Leo how to freeze time or blow things up just as Paige cant teach Piper how to Orb. Yes things happen off screen, their lives go on but that this is not one of them. I'm sorry, I'll have to disagree on Prue having ownership over the power of Astral Projection. The actual first person we (the audience) see using Astral Projection (in any capacity) is Rex Buckland. Prue was the second, followed by Mrs. Winterbourne, Ms. Donovan and then the Charmed Ones, that I can recall. I'm definitely going to meet you halfway on the whole Astral Projection bit. I don't think it's within Prue's character to confide in Leo about her powers. Which is why I suggested if they were going to use the Astral Projection route, then they can name drop Mrs. Winterbourne and/or Ms. Donovan instead, as it would make way more sense, IMO. I wanted to expand upon more on this, as I'm re-watching more Charmed episodes and re-watching episodes I don't like will having missing information I knew about but completely forgot about. Even Barbas Astral Projected, but his Astral Projection seemed to go back to how Rex did it. So, it's absolutely possible for Astral Projection to be learned especially since that's how Astral Projection was first introduced was Rex learning how to do it. I just wished instead of Prue confiding in Leo, it was either Mrs. Winterbourne or Ms. Donovan. |
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 22, 2023 3:47:28 GMT -5
While I enjoy most of the seasons to a certain extent, I’m a Dark Charmed era which is S1-S4. I personally would go even further and confirm that I prefer the Prue era more than anything. lol.
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 18, 2024 19:52:59 GMT -5
Season 3 and 4 and first half of 5 tend to be my fave era of the show ...it's funny as people put a duvidenup of the seasons ...but season 2 had light elements in it too like season 5 and 6 had, and season 6 finale was perhaps the darkest the show went just behind season 3 , season 7 also dealt with some dark themes and went there with the final episodes too So it's weird in our heads the idea charmed has a clear divide when for me it's a bit scattered My fave seasons are 3 and 4 however  |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jan 18, 2024 21:07:52 GMT -5
season 2 had light elements in it too like season 5 and 6 had Perhaps "light" compared to S1, S3-S4 but not on the same scale as S5-S6 pertaining to a lot more "fairy tale" content. S2 still had some darker elements (and better demons) like Abraxas & Masselin. And, S2 remembered the concept of Warlocks moreso than S5-S8. I think BOTH S5 & S6 mentioned them ONCE and then S7-S8 was all about "the demons" (though, not as terrifying as Abraxas and/or Masselin). I still think S2 is pretty dark (but just not as dark as S1 & S3-S4) especially comparing it to S5-S8. I mean S2E4 "The Devil's Music", S2E5 "She's a Man, Baby, a Man!", S2E6 "That Old Black Magic", etc., are no joke! |
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 19, 2024 5:16:18 GMT -5
season 2 had light elements in it too like season 5 and 6 had Perhaps "light" compared to S1, S3-S4 but not on the same scale as S5-S6 pertaining to a lot more "fairy tale" content. S2 still had some darker elements (and better demons) like Abraxas & Masselin. And, S2 remembered the concept of Warlocks moreso than S5-S8. I think BOTH S5 & S6 mentioned them ONCE and then S7-S8 was all about "the demons" (though, not as terrifying as Abraxas and/or Masselin). I still think S2 is pretty dark (but just not as dark as S1 & S3-S4) especially comparing it to S5-S8. I mean S2E4 "The Devil's Music", S2E5 "She's a Man, Baby, a Man!", S2E6 "That Old Black Magic", etc., are no joke! That's true actually I did forget how these warlocks and demons in season 2 were genuinely terrifying a lot of them Yeah maybe need to revaluste |
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Post by West on Jan 19, 2024 15:40:01 GMT -5
Season 3 and 4 and first half of 5 tend to be my fave era of the show ...it's funny as people put a duvidenup of the seasons ...but season 2 had light elements in it too like season 5 and 6 had, and season 6 finale was perhaps the darkest the show went just behind season 3 , season 7 also dealt with some dark themes and went there with the final episodes too So it's weird in our heads the idea charmed has a clear divide when for me it's a bit scattered My fave seasons are 3 and 4 however I find that the show stopped being dark after S5A. I don't find S6 dark at all. Maybe Loves a Witch and Little Monsters could be considered dark. But the tone of the season is light. Even S5A feels dark because of Cole being around, even if the second half feels light. We didn't get the tone of S1, S3-S5A again. Yes we may get the occasional episode but I still didn't find any of them as dark to the extent of the earlier seasons. |
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 19, 2024 19:20:06 GMT -5
Season 3 and 4 and first half of 5 tend to be my fave era of the show ...it's funny as people put a duvidenup of the seasons ...but season 2 had light elements in it too like season 5 and 6 had, and season 6 finale was perhaps the darkest the show went just behind season 3 , season 7 also dealt with some dark themes and went there with the final episodes too So it's weird in our heads the idea charmed has a clear divide when for me it's a bit scattered My fave seasons are 3 and 4 however I find that the show stopped being dark after S5A. I don't find S6 dark at all. Maybe Loves a Witch and Little Monsters could be considered dark. But the tone of the season is light. Even S5A feels dark because of Cole being around, even if the second half feels light. We didn't get the tone of S1, S3-S5A again. Yes we may get the occasional episode but I still didn't find any of them as dark to the extent of the earlier seasons. Yeah maybe I guess it depends really I mean season 3 and 4 I get drawn to the most because it went full on and was more on Buffy level ...the first two seasons whilst had really freaky warlocks and demons still had a softness to it too love both ....season 5 and 6 returned to that imo maybe a bit lighter tone and colourful palette but still then 7 and 8 kinda tried a more similar aesthetic to 3 and 4 |
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Post by West on Jan 20, 2024 0:43:49 GMT -5
I find that the show stopped being dark after S5A. I don't find S6 dark at all. Maybe Loves a Witch and Little Monsters could be considered dark. But the tone of the season is light. Even S5A feels dark because of Cole being around, even if the second half feels light. We didn't get the tone of S1, S3-S5A again. Yes we may get the occasional episode but I still didn't find any of them as dark to the extent of the earlier seasons. Yeah maybe I guess it depends really I mean season 3 and 4 I get drawn to the most because it went full on and was more on Buffy level ...the first two seasons whilst had really freaky warlocks and demons still had a softness to it too love both ....season 5 and 6 returned to that imo maybe a bit lighter tone and colourful palette but still then 7 and 8 kinda tried a more similar aesthetic to 3 and 4 I understand the appeal of S3 & S4 for that reason. It does have a very lighter tone and colorful palette. The way the show is filmed is so much lighter than the earlier seasons. I feel S8 is a bit lighter than S7 or S3 & S4. I guess it depends on your definition of what is considered dark and light. It can be more than just darker storylines, and more the aesthetic and visual styles.
Visually, I do think S5-S8 is using a much lighter tone. But I'd have to really start paying attention to the different visual styles of the show to really make a better judgement.
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Post by rebooted on Jan 20, 2024 2:48:31 GMT -5
I lik how dark it is in Something Wicca This Way Comes.
its at night time. The power goes out. Theres a storm. Midnight on a full moon!
Season 1 feels gothy dark (like alternative rock at the time)
Season 2 feels like the endless Summer of Alyssa Milano's tan
Season 3 feels darker than 2 but a different dark/not gothy - more suspenseful/dramatically dark/sinister
Season 4 feels the darkest. There is light after the beginning and before Charmed & Dangerous. Phoebe carrys the spawn of the Source - thats dark!
Season 5 feels shockingly lighter to Season 4's dark. The Eyes That Have it is what I wish the tone of the Season would be like.
Season 6 feels mixed. There are some dark episodes that are so important to the storyline. Bowever such lightness. Its like saturated with both
Season 7 feels nice and ark again. Mystery, sinister, not gothy but like a slicker Season 1 if the writing was as good as Season 1. I like this darkness
Season 8 just uses dark and light lighting to change the theme/mood. its crap
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Post by Elle Em on Jan 20, 2024 14:10:03 GMT -5
Season 5 feels shockingly lighter to Season 4's dark. The Eyes That Have it is what I wish the tone of the Season would be like. The Eyes Have It is probably my favorite episode from season 5. It's a great example of how things could have stayed somewhat dark in tone in the later seasons. |
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 21, 2024 8:16:41 GMT -5
I do wish latter seasons did go for it more with demonic looking demons and threats like the earlier seasons for sure The more human looking the more cheaper things looked sadly so I agree to an extent too  |
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I'll give Jeannine Renshaw "A" for effort 'cause her research wasn't wrong, but she just didn't research enough to be right either 
I'll give Jeannine Renshaw "A" for effort 'cause her research wasn't wrong, but she just didn't research enough to be right either 
