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Post by cyma on Dec 29, 2013 4:53:53 GMT -5
In Oh my Goddess, Paige mentions she had weird doomsday dreams. She appeared to have foreseen the Titans danger. But shouldn’t all this foreseeing stuff be Phoebe’s area? Is this a new power of Paige's? Or just her sensing powers evolved?
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Post by Astral Vision on Dec 29, 2013 5:36:34 GMT -5
Looking at the circumstances: The Titans are initially a threat to whitelighters and Elders only. Therefore the Charmed One with the closest link to whitelighter kind is Paige. Therefore, she is the one most likely to have such visions due to the connection. Yes, she shouldn't have premonitions, but they weren't premonitions in the same sense as what Phoebe gets. Paige didn't see the future in those dreams, she just sensed the impending danger very vividly. Do you, by any chance, have the direct quote of her describing these 'dreams'? I would assume it is her sensing power evolving and not a new power. Although, I also have a Chris-related theory, but... I don't like giving that guy too much credit for his work in season five finale/six.  |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Dec 29, 2013 9:44:36 GMT -5
If that's the case, shouldn't Leo have these dreams as well? He's a whitelighter for decades at this point, so why not him and only Paige having these dreams? About the apocalypse and the Titans.
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Post by Astral Vision on Dec 29, 2013 10:01:07 GMT -5
The fact that she's a Charmed One is what makes her different to Leo. There's not much that a normal whitelighter or Elder (the Elders of season five who did not yet have offensive electrokinetic powers) can do to fight off the Titans, but a Charmed One with the access to the Power of Three can (even though that doesn't work out either as far as beating the Titans goes).
It could be that, as a witch, Paige's whitelighter sensing abilities evolved to sense for impending danger. The sensing abilities of a normal full-whitelighter do not need to sense for danger, because they are only guides.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 29, 2013 11:34:30 GMT -5
"offensive electrokinetic powers"  OH, please! Why not just call it that shocking power? I hate fans coming up with those fancy names that were never used on the show. Like Piper's molecular combustion that has absolutely nothing to do with burning - it's just making molecules go faster without her being the Flash. I agree with Paige sensing danger, but that shouldn't bring on a premonition dream. And there was never any mention that it might have something to do with her being a whitelighter, nor would that have anything to do with her being a Charmed One, particularly when she never before or never again had anything like that happen, so it wasn't a power upgrade.. I think the writers simply didn't want Paige to be left out - give her something important to do amongst all of this. And since by this point, they'd broken every rule of consistency that there is, why not do it again if it worked for the episode? After all, starting with Season 3, that was their rule. |
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Post by cyma on Dec 29, 2013 12:27:51 GMT -5
Do you, by any chance, have the direct quote of her describing these 'dreams'? I would assume it is her sensing power evolving and not a new power. Although, I also have a Chris-related theory, but... I don't like giving that guy too much credit for his work in season five finale/six. Theory about Chris? That he might've caused it so Paige would end up turning into stone and he could end up saving Paige?  Well considering he almost got his his mother, brother and aunts killed in "My Three Witches." so that he could teach them a lesson, I won't be surprised. Here are a few related to Paige's dreams from the transcript: Definitely feels like her sensing powers evolved. The same one which warned her about the creepy house and Cole. |
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Post by Astral Vision on Dec 29, 2013 13:52:07 GMT -5
Es, I had to write it quickly as I had to dish up dinner. Describing them as "offensive electrokinetic powers" was the first thing that came to mind when in a rush. "Offensive" because I was pointing out that they weren't "passive" powers like had been described of the Elders all the way through to the end of season five; and "electrokinetic" because my first thoughts were to write "electric something", and not knowing how to describe the "something" in a more articulate fashion in such a short amount of time led to me subbing in the word "kinetic". It's not my fault if non-canon terminology is the simplest way to describe something. If you still understood what was meant by the terminology use though, then there shouldn't be anything wrong with using it.
Did they ever call it a "shocking power" in the show? If not, then my way of describing it should be just as reasonable as yours. People describes things in different ways. As long as the point gets across, there should be no problem.
Cyma, Leo's discussion with the Elder probably explains it all. Or at least, that's the closest (possibly only) canon explanation about why Paige had those dreams.
As to the Chris theory, it's more of a: Through either a spell or help from one of his demonic contacts, Chris makes sure to get the visions sent to Paige (why Paige? Probably because she's his favourite aunt) in order to warn them about the Titan attack. Maybe in Chris' original past, the Titans had done a lot more damage before the Charmed Ones were able to stop them as they had less forewarning (so why shouldn't Chris start with a "surgical strike" to the past that changes that incident?). Obviously, his messing around with the past caused a problem as he realised a little too late about Paige's reckless plan that would end up with her turning into stone, so he had to intervene (and his only excuse to the sisters as to why he knew what was going on was to lie and say that Paige was dead in his future after having been turned to stone).
Obviously though this is all speculation and there's no fact behind it, because the whole of season six was left very much unexplained.
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Post by forbuss on Dec 29, 2013 21:29:28 GMT -5
I actually didn't think twice about this until this thread. It's definitely very interesting. I agree with cyma that her sensing powers were developing. Maybe it was a weird combination of her whitelighter powers and her witch powers? I think Paige has generally been more intuitive (in season 4/5 anyway) than Phoebe - even though Phoebe's powers are premonition.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 30, 2013 8:22:00 GMT -5
Do you, by any chance, have the direct quote of her describing these 'dreams'? I would assume it is her sensing power evolving and not a new power. Although, I also have a Chris-related theory, but... I don't like giving that guy too much credit for his work in season five finale/six. Theory about Chris? That he might've caused it so Paige would end up turning into stone and he could end up saving Paige? That's the reason why he came when he did - he knew the stories about her being turned to stone and knew that the magical creatures would save her, but this way he ends up looking like a hero, since it's so obvious that she did *not* die at that point in the original universe. I don't think he has the power to make someone have a certain dream. The Elders might have, but not Chris. And maybe there it is - if the Elders knew they were in trouble, they may have sent it. Although I don't think Kern's Elders are either that smart or that powerful. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 12:44:22 GMT -5
It really should've been Phoebe who sensed the coming of the Titans, but I guess witches sensing impending danger isn't totally unheard of. After all, Prue mentioned feeling 'a chill' before Shax attacked her.
Perhaps Phoebe's sensing/premonitions had become so fed up inhabiting the body of a whiny, selfish, sex-crazed over-grown teenager that they abandoned ship and hopped into the only willing witch of the trio left at that point, Paige.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 18, 2014 12:55:48 GMT -5
It really should've been Phoebe who sensed the coming of the Titans, but I guess witches sensing impending danger isn't totally unheard of. After all, Prue mentioned feeling 'a chill' before Shax attacked her. No, here's why Prue felt the chill: [Cut back to the underworld. Leo orbs in, still crying.]
Phoebe: Piper.
(She hugs Leo tightly.)
Leo: You don't have to do this.
Phoebe: Yes I do. (She turns to Cole.) So, will resetting time affect us down here?
Cole: No.
Phoebe: Good. I only have one condition. You must warn Prue and Piper before the demonic hit man attacks. Otherwise they're dead anyway. Source: charmedscripts.tv/all_hell_breaks_loose.htmThe chill was the warning. ROFL! If only that was true and this was when Phoebe stopped having premonitions, she could've never abused them to try to find her baby daddy! Unfortunately since she still had those powers, I don't think that's the reason. The reason is easy - the writers needed something in that spot, so they gave it to Paige and then forgot about it and never used it again. Too bad; it would've been a great new power for her if she didn't already have so many, none that she should've had. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 13:15:00 GMT -5
No, here's why Prue felt the chill: [Cut back to the underworld. Leo orbs in, still crying.]
Phoebe: Piper.
(She hugs Leo tightly.)
Leo: You don't have to do this.
Phoebe: Yes I do. (She turns to Cole.) So, will resetting time affect us down here?
Cole: No.
Phoebe: Good. I only have one condition. You must warn Prue and Piper before the demonic hit man attacks. Otherwise they're dead anyway. Source: charmedscripts.tv/all_hell_breaks_loose.htmThe chill was the warning. You know, I'd never thought of it that way, that's definitely interesting. The only thing I don't understand then is how did Prue feel 'the chill' the first time, before time was rewound? I guess it's just one of these weird, head-mess, time-space puzzle things though. I know other people have theorised that it was a 'death chill' and that's why only she felt it, but I don't know. LOL! Thought you'd appreciated that Don't I wish! Even more than I hated Phoebe not having premonitions, I hated her non-vision visions that they tried out near the end of S5 (from the demon in P3 that she dated, the Leprechaun staff, the scorch march felt by the Titans). It just sent out the message to the audience that they really couldn't have cared less about the power. I agree, Paige's foreboding dreams were another ridiculous, unthinking piece of script vomit, such an inconsistency. I'm surprised they didn't actually leave Piper with some of Wyatt's 'left-over' forcefield power, because of THAT conversation between Piper and Leo in 'Baby's First Demon'. I mean WTF?? How could he leave her his power? Even Paige wondered if the forcefield was a 'baby-teeth thing'. Seriously? It's obviously HIS power idiots! |
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Post by Nimue on Dec 20, 2014 2:19:31 GMT -5
I don't see it as inconsistency, there could be a perfectly logical explanation, such as her sensing power evolving, like someone else already said. But the dream happened just once, so maybe it's just one of those freaky dreams one has that shows a future event before it happens. Also, at that time, Paige was even more into her witch duties than her sisters, so maybe she was more careful than the others about any sign of something related to magic, and as such her subconscious was trying to tell her something. And maybe Phoebe did have such a dream, but just forgot about it, which happens all the time.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Dec 20, 2014 5:29:58 GMT -5
Maybe had the writers developed Paige's sensing evil power more like when she did the house in 'Size Matters' other than sensing where people were etc then viewers may've believed her having that dream more than Phoebe did but then Paige never really did anything with her magic once she quit her social worker job i.e help innocents using it actually as well as practice what she did at home which made it unbelieveable for me why she got the dream in the first place originally which people probably won't agree with anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 12:17:22 GMT -5
They seemed to make out like Paige was the one who sensed it because this was what she'd been preparing for all year by learning witchcraft... which: A) I don't believe that they planned that for a second and... B) If that's what all the witchcraft self-training was leading up to, it was all kind of pointless since they're given god powers and don't actually use witchcraft against them in the end! I guess you could consider it part of her sensing though, that'd make sense. Sure it'd make Phoebe more redundant, but then that was always a fact of giving them multiple powers anyway; they didn't need each other as much. You could just as easily say that when Phoebe starts redirecting fire balls with her empathy in season 6 that she's stepping on Paige's power territory. Perhaps Phoebe's sensing/premonitions had become so fed up inhabiting the body of a whiny, selfish, sex-crazed over-grown teenager that they abandoned ship and hopped into the only willing witch of the trio left at that point, Paige. Haha, brilliant. I can totally believe that  Give Phoebe's visions to Paige and maybe they'll remain a valuable tool for saving people and anticipating demon attacks. As opposed to how Phoebe treated them later on, i.e.: A glorified magic 8 ball for her personal life. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 5:57:37 GMT -5
Looking at the circumstances: The Titans are initially a threat to whitelighters and Elders only. Therefore the Charmed One with the closest link to whitelighter kind is Paige. Therefore, she is the one most likely to have such visions due to the connection. This. It makes sense for Paige to be getting warning signs that are a danger to her species via whitelighter. |
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OH, please! Why not just call it that shocking power? I hate fans coming up with those fancy names that were never used on the show. Like Piper's molecular combustion that has absolutely nothing to do with burning - it's just making molecules go faster without her being the Flash.
Well considering he almost got his his mother, brother and aunts killed in "My Three Witches." so that he could teach them a lesson, I won't be surprised.
