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Post by Astral Vision on Feb 20, 2014 12:08:09 GMT -5
As you all know, part of the season six finale involved Phoebe and Paige going into the Mirror Verse (where everything that happened was the opposite to what happened in their world) to find Leo and Chris. During that part of the finale, we got a glimpse of their perspective of the Mirror Verse, but... given that it's a Mirror Verse, they had a whole six seasons that we did not get to see, so:
How do you think Mirror-Melinda's prophecy differed? The Mirror-Charmed-Ones were definitely not "protectors of the innocent".
How do you think Mirror-Prue differed? We had the chance to see the other sisters, but not the late eldest.
How do you think Cole and his whole saga would have differed? The only demon we saw in the Mirror Verse was Barbas the Demon of Hope, but obviously there would have been other Mirror-demons that the Mirror-Charmed-Ones bumped into over the many years of their destiny, especially as their actions were mirrors of the Charmed Ones that we know.
Further on from that, do you think that the Source of All Evil in the Mirror Verse is the Source of All Good? (Or "was" since he would have been vanquished by then, if that's what the Mirror-Charmed-Ones do).
There's also the question of: What do you think Mirror-Grams, Mirror-Patty, and Mirror-Victor are like? As well as, what do you think Mirror-Andy was like?
There are many more questions probably, but these ones are the main few I can think of at the moment.
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Post by forbuss on Feb 21, 2014 21:57:03 GMT -5
I'm not even totally sure what the opposite of the protectors of the innocent would be.. It was clear that the sisters in the mirror realm were mean (I don't even think they were necessarily evil), so I am not sure.
I guess my first inclination is that the opposite of protectors of the innocent would in fact be evil/bad witches. Evil witches were witches who didn't follow the Wiccan rede, and used their power for personal gain and other "evil" things.. Which the sisters definitely did in their normal universe!
I feel like Melinda's prophecy would have still existed, and the Charmed ones just didn't follow in the footsteps of their good ancestors. Either that or the entire Warren line was evil..
These are tough questions to answer on account of Charmed being so inconsistent haha.
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Post by forbuss on Feb 21, 2014 22:53:17 GMT -5
I'm not even totally sure what the opposite of the protectors of the innocent would be.. It was clear that the sisters in the mirror realm were mean (I don't even think they were necessarily evil), so I am not sure.
I guess my first inclination is that the opposite of protectors of the innocent would in fact be evil/bad witches. Evil witches were witches who didn't follow the Wiccan rede, and used their power for personal gain and other "evil" things.. Which the sisters definitely did in their normal universe!
I feel like Melinda's prophecy would have still existed, and the Charmed ones just didn't follow in the footsteps of their good ancestors. Either that or the entire Warren line was evil..
These are tough questions to answer on account of Charmed being so inconsistent haha.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 22, 2014 8:22:52 GMT -5
I also don't think the Mirror Charmed Ones were evil, but then by this point, the real Charmed Ones weren't good , not after Paige and Phoebe set Rick up to be murdered - they were no longer the protector of the innocents, just the protectors of the Halliwells, especially Wyatt.
To me, the Mirror Charmed Ones were probably just ugly on the outside while beautiful on the inside, the way the real Charmed Ones were beautiful on the outside but ugly on the inside.
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Post by forbuss on Feb 22, 2014 14:01:02 GMT -5
Es, that is a really great point! I think in both worlds it would be more accurate to say that the sisters were very much a product of their surroundings and environment rather than strictly good or evil.
Also, if I remember correctly Leo and Chris in the mirror realm were closer to being evil than the Charmed Ones. Maybe this is due to the fact that by nature they were closer to being evil because they were actually white lighters (Paige wasn't a duty bound white lighter at that point, and was for all intensive purposes a witch) at one point in the normal world.
Another inconsistency and point for conversation is Giddeon, who was the same in both worlds.
Also - sorry for the double post! I can't figure out how to delete it haha.
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Post by primroseempath371 on Feb 22, 2014 14:37:57 GMT -5
I also don't think the Mirror Charmed Ones were evil, but then by this point, the real Charmed Ones weren't good , not after Paige and Phoebe set Rick up to be murdered - they were no longer the protector of the innocents, just the protectors of the Halliwells, especially Wyatt. To me, the Mirror Charmed Ones were probably just ugly on the outside while beautiful on the inside, the way the real Charmed Ones were beautiful on the outside but ugly on the inside. Agree with this |
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Post by cyma on Feb 23, 2014 11:50:20 GMT -5
As you all know, part of the season six finale involved Phoebe and Paige going into the Mirror Verse (where everything that happened was the opposite to what happened in their world) to find Leo and Chris. During that part of the finale, we got a glimpse of their perspective of the Mirror Verse, but... given that it's a Mirror Verse, they had a whole six seasons that we did not get to see, so: How do you think Mirror-Melinda's prophecy differed? The Mirror-Charmed-Ones were definitely not "protectors of the innocent". How do you think Mirror-Prue differed? We had the chance to see the other sisters, but not the late eldest. How do you think Cole and his whole saga would have differed? The only demon we saw in the Mirror Verse was Barbas the Demon of Hope, but obviously there would have been other Mirror-demons that the Mirror-Charmed-Ones bumped into over the many years of their destiny, especially as their actions were mirrors of the Charmed Ones that we know. Further on from that, do you think that the Source of All Evil in the Mirror Verse is the Source of All Good? (Or "was" since he would have been vanquished by then, if that's what the Mirror-Charmed-Ones do). There's also the question of: What do you think Mirror-Grams, Mirror-Patty, and Mirror-Victor are like? As well as, what do you think Mirror-Andy was like? There are many more questions probably, but these ones are the main few I can think of at the moment.
Protectors of not-so-innocent people? Seeing those innocent people would be bad in the evil world. How do you think Mirror-Prue differed? We had the chance to see the other sisters, but not the late eldest.
Except for wearing black leather and dark make-up, acting exactly the same. That’s how the sisters and Leo and Chris were portrayed. How do you think Cole and his whole saga would have differed? The only demon we saw in the Mirror Verse was Barbas the Demon of Hope, but obviously there would have been other Mirror-demons that the Mirror-Charmed-Ones bumped into over the many years of their destiny, especially as their actions were mirrors of the Charmed Ones that we know.
Further on from that, do you think that the Source of All Evil in the Mirror Verse is the Source of All Good? (Or "was" since he would have been vanquished by then, if that's what the Mirror-Charmed-Ones do).
Belthazor would be Cole’s….err good demonic side which he can suppress for Phoebe so he could be err…evil? Bad? Phoebe’s love will awaken his bad side? And he is tricked by Seer to absorb the Hollow(or would it be called Fullness?  ) and become the Source of all Good? The Fullness will be summoned again in S8, lol. There's also the question of: What do you think Mirror-Grams, Mirror-Patty, and Mirror-Victor are like? As well as, what do you think Mirror-Andy was like?
Mirror Andy corrupt cop like Darryl. Mirror Grams and Patty….and Victor and dark leather? I do not want to go any further.  These and many more questions is probably why I disliked the whole Mirror Verse concept. Demon of Hope? So this means Paige, Leo and Chris were still whitelighters, with the difference being whitelighters were evil. So darklighters would be good? But if we refer to Barbas as a demon, this means we’ll still refer to Paige and Leo as whitelighters. And Elders as Elders only that they’re evil. But the biggest head-ache inducing thing is that when everyone speaks, the exact same dialogue is spoken, just insert good in the place of evil and vice versa. Mirror Chris came back to stop Wyatt from turning good. So Chris and Wyatt’s conversation in Chris-Crossed would be exactly the same? Along with everything the previous seasons? Wyatt: They're no threat to me. (The demons shimmer out.) Et tu, Chris? Of all the people to betray me.
Chris: I didn't go back to betray you, Wyatt. I went back to save you.
Wyatt: Save me? From what?
Chris: From whatever evil(good) it was that turned you.
Wyatt: That's always been your problem, Chris. Stuck in the old good versus evil morass. I'm so past that. It's all about power, it's as simple as that.
Chris: And whoever has the most power wins, is that it?
Wyatt: That's it. That's why I keep this museum in tact. To remind everyone the power from which I was born and that which I possess.
Chris: Too bad the rest of the city isn't fairing as well as your little shrine here.
How in the hell can conversations mirror each other? If I forced the writer who came up with this concept to write the previous seasons of the evil world, I wouldn’t be surprised if he begged to be killed a few minutes later. Instead of Demon of Hope ridiculousness, make Barbas an Empath or Elder or whatever opposite of Demon is supposed to be and vice versa for Elders instead. If they really wanted the whole balance nonsense, then say that darklighters like Odin, Sandara, etc. they rule the Heavens now, while good live down in the Underworld or something. They didn’t have to make everything completely opposite or mirror each other.e.g “Ask Phoebe. Read me…or else." Piper's P3 being a strip joint, okay that I can buy, but not Ask Phoebe.  |
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Post by isaiah on Nov 30, 2014 2:14:18 GMT -5
Here the prophecy evil my style
You may kill me elders but you cannot kill my kind. I vow each generation will grow stronger and stronger culminating in the arrival of three sisters.
These sisters will walk the earth creating all sorts chaos and despair. They will be the most powerful evil witches the world has known. They will destroy all kinds of good and rule with no mercy.
They will be know as the evil ones
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Post by Chrisaholic on Nov 30, 2014 7:22:03 GMT -5
But didn't Gideon say that only the moral was the difference between good and evil Charmed Ones? Otherwise, there was nothing. So I think, not much had played that differently from what we saw on TV. It doesn't make sense otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 11:48:59 GMT -5
Perhaps the Evil Ones would've started out as killing Innocents and aiding other Evil, but gradually becoming more concerned with themselves and becoming 'less Evil' just as the Good Ones became 'less Good'.
I can only assume Melinda's prophecy was the same as that of the Rowe Coven (most powerful warlocks), meaning the Rowe Coven in the Evil world would be the Charmed Ones.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 2, 2014 15:35:09 GMT -5
This definitely makes sense. I like the idea that the Rowe Coven would've been the Charmed Ones of this universe (doing good) while the UnCharmed Ones who we saw are actually what we would've thought of as the Rowe Coven (doing evil).
And I *really* like the ideas of the UnCharmed Ones doing "less evil" after one of them marries their darklighter guide (Leo) and has a half-darklighter son (Wyatt who has a prophecy as the Twice-Cursed Child) and the UnCharmed Ones become more interested in protecting him, especially when Mirror Chris comes back from the future to "save" Wyatt, who has turned good in the future.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 2, 2014 15:36:15 GMT -5
As you all know, part of the season six finale involved Phoebe and Paige going into the Mirror Verse (where everything that happened was the opposite to what happened in their world) to find Leo and Chris. During that part of the finale, we got a glimpse of their perspective of the Mirror Verse, but... given that it's a Mirror Verse, they had a whole six seasons that we did not get to see, so: How do you think Mirror-Melinda's prophecy differed? The Mirror-Charmed-Ones were definitely not "protectors of the innocent". How do you think Mirror-Prue differed? We had the chance to see the other sisters, but not the late eldest. How do you think Cole and his whole saga would have differed? The only demon we saw in the Mirror Verse was Barbas the Demon of Hope, but obviously there would have been other Mirror-demons that the Mirror-Charmed-Ones bumped into over the many years of their destiny, especially as their actions were mirrors of the Charmed Ones that we know. Further on from that, do you think that the Source of All Evil in the Mirror Verse is the Source of All Good? (Or "was" since he would have been vanquished by then, if that's what the Mirror-Charmed-Ones do). There's also the question of: What do you think Mirror-Grams, Mirror-Patty, and Mirror-Victor are like? As well as, what do you think Mirror-Andy was like? There are many more questions probably, but these ones are the main few I can think of at the moment.
Protectors of not-so-innocent people? Seeing those innocent people would be bad in the evil world. How do you think Mirror-Prue differed? We had the chance to see the other sisters, but not the late eldest.
Except for wearing black leather and dark make-up, acting exactly the same. That’s how the sisters and Leo and Chris were portrayed. How do you think Cole and his whole saga would have differed? The only demon we saw in the Mirror Verse was Barbas the Demon of Hope, but obviously there would have been other Mirror-demons that the Mirror-Charmed-Ones bumped into over the many years of their destiny, especially as their actions were mirrors of the Charmed Ones that we know.
Further on from that, do you think that the Source of All Evil in the Mirror Verse is the Source of All Good? (Or "was" since he would have been vanquished by then, if that's what the Mirror-Charmed-Ones do).
Belthazor would be Cole’s….err good demonic side which he can suppress for Phoebe so he could be err…evil? Bad? Phoebe’s love will awaken his bad side? And he is tricked by Seer to absorb the Hollow(or would it be called Fullness? ) and become the Source of all Good? The Fullness will be summoned again in S8, lol. There's also the question of: What do you think Mirror-Grams, Mirror-Patty, and Mirror-Victor are like? As well as, what do you think Mirror-Andy was like?
Mirror Andy corrupt cop like Darryl. Mirror Grams and Patty….and Victor and dark leather? I do not want to go any further. These and many more questions is probably why I disliked the whole Mirror Verse concept. Demon of Hope? So this means Paige, Leo and Chris were still whitelighters, with the difference being whitelighters were evil. So darklighters would be good? But if we refer to Barbas as a demon, this means we’ll still refer to Paige and Leo as whitelighters. And Elders as Elders only that they’re evil. But the biggest head-ache inducing thing is that when everyone speaks, the exact same dialogue is spoken, just insert good in the place of evil and vice versa. Mirror Chris came back to stop Wyatt from turning good. So Chris and Wyatt’s conversation in Chris-Crossed would be exactly the same? Along with everything the previous seasons? Wyatt: They're no threat to me. (The demons shimmer out.) Et tu, Chris? Of all the people to betray me.
Chris: I didn't go back to betray you, Wyatt. I went back to save you.
Wyatt: Save me? From what?
Chris: From whatever evil(good) it was that turned you.
Wyatt: That's always been your problem, Chris. Stuck in the old good versus evil morass. I'm so past that. It's all about power, it's as simple as that.
Chris: And whoever has the most power wins, is that it?
Wyatt: That's it. That's why I keep this museum in tact. To remind everyone the power from which I was born and that which I possess.
Chris: Too bad the rest of the city isn't fairing as well as your little shrine here.
How in the hell can conversations mirror each other? If I forced the writer who came up with this concept to write the previous seasons of the evil world, I wouldn’t be surprised if he begged to be killed a few minutes later. Instead of Demon of Hope ridiculousness, make Barbas an Empath or Elder or whatever opposite of Demon is supposed to be and vice versa for Elders instead. If they really wanted the whole balance nonsense, then say that darklighters like Odin, Sandara, etc. they rule the Heavens now, while good live down in the Underworld or something. They didn’t have to make everything completely opposite or mirror each other.e.g “Ask Phoebe. Read me…or else." Piper's P3 being a strip joint, okay that I can buy, but not Ask Phoebe. Hadn't notice this before, but it's hilarious. Barbas should've been the Angel of Hope, while the Angel of Destiny should've been the Demon of Destruction. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 18:55:47 GMT -5
This definitely makes sense. I like the idea that the Rowe Coven would've been the Charmed Ones of this universe (doing good) while the UnCharmed Ones who we saw are actually what we would've thought of as the Rowe Coven (doing evil). And I *really* like the ideas of the UnCharmed Ones doing "less evil" after one of them marries their darklighter guide (Leo) and has a half-darklighter son (Wyatt who has a prophecy as the Twice-Cursed Child) and the UnCharmed Ones become more interested in protecting him, especially when Mirror Chris comes back from the future to "save" Wyatt, who has turned good in the future. Hehehehe! Exactly what I was thinking. I also liked what someone above said about the Darklighters Leo and Chris appearing 'more Evil' than the Mirror Sisters because, by Season Six, Leo and Chris were indeed doing 'more Good' than the self-obsessed 'Charmed Ones', so it only makes sense. |
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Post by danellap on Dec 31, 2014 7:15:56 GMT -5
What wod Prue be like?
She would be the true evil and strongest one, only caring about duty and herself in this case (seen she is selfless in the real world). I firmly believe she wouldn't have been corrupted like the others.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2014 8:39:08 GMT -5
So unlike Piper and Phoebe, she wouldn't become more good? Yes, I like that. She'd be like Darklighter Leo and Darklighter Chris - even uglier than her sisters (bad makeup, bad hair, etc.) and even more evil.
How 'bout Cole and Grams and Patty and Victor? How would they fit into this mirrorverse, since they're the other main characters on Charmed? I suppose we should even wonder about the other main characters - the Source, the Seer, Zankou, Billie & Christy....
A fanfic written in this mirrorverse could be interesting...wonder if it would be something like the Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror" where Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Uhura are swapped with their counterparts in a mirror world... As Spock would put it, "Fascinating"...
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Post by ljones on Dec 31, 2014 14:09:09 GMT -5
I thought the show's take on a "mirror universe" was a bit simplistic from a moral point of view. What would have been more interesting to me if some of the characters had changed and some had not.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 31, 2014 21:23:38 GMT -5
Honestly, it kinda had to be that way in order to serve the purpose of the episode. If the mirror verse was more complicated than everyone being the opposite version of the same, it would've been harder to play out and explain the whole "distorted balance" effect in a way that made sense.
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Post by ljones on Dec 31, 2014 23:35:45 GMT -5
I think they should have avoided an alternate universe storyline in the first place, if this was the best they could do. Otherwise, the episode was occasionally funny.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 17, 2015 22:13:38 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this and having fun with it.
I started thinking about Season Three and Season Four.
In the Mirrorverse, wouldn't Cole be the half-whitelighter while Paige would be the half-darklighter? And wouldn't loving Cole be the reason why Phoebe would start caring about innocents and become Queen of the Heavens herself, while Cole would become the Source of All Good??
Thinking along that line brings up all sorts of fun ideas.
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Post by ljones on Jan 26, 2015 21:17:31 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this and having fun with it. I started thinking about Season Three and Season Four. In the Mirrorverse, wouldn't Cole be the half-whitelighter while Paige would be the half-darklighter? And wouldn't loving Cole be the reason why Phoebe would start caring about innocents and become Queen of the Heavens herself, while Cole would become the Source of All Good?? Thinking along that line brings up all sorts of fun ideas. Since Cole was never a darklighter, I can't see that happening. |
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