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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:05:18 GMT -5
I'm not saying I'm solidly pro Phoebe/Cole. However, I am definitely anti-Coop. Nothing will get me to like Mr. Cardboard, not even if the great H.P. Lovecraft himself came back from the dead and wrote him. Mr. Cardboard was just a hastily thrown together character, solely created because of Kern's 1950's way of thinking, that a woman can never be happy unless she marries and becomes a breeding machine. Exactly. Coop was ultimately nothing but, yet, another WB-mandated hunk in the vein of Leslie and Dex. He was only brought in for some cheap eye candy and to give Phoebe her "Dream Guy" (as if she hadn't already had a million of those), not to actually add anything to the show.  |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jul 25, 2015 15:58:04 GMT -5
Man I can't take the comics seriously now if you have demons worshiping a statue of Cole's demon half in the wasteland.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 16:36:33 GMT -5
Yeah I must admit, when I saw that thing I laughed my a$$ off. Thank God we won't have to see that made for TV in hideous CGI glory... can you imagine?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 17:28:46 GMT -5
Yeah, he served no real purpose at all. He was just there, like a piece of cardboard, hence my name of "Mr. Cardboard" for him.
A bird imitation comes to mind here.
CHEAP! CHEAP! CHEAP!
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jul 25, 2015 17:54:31 GMT -5
So what's happening to Coop after he got back from the wasteland with Henry and Tyler?
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jul 26, 2015 0:12:43 GMT -5
Well, it all depends. If you love Cole and/or Phoebe, you're going to love this issue, just like you probably love Season 10. If you don't - as I don't...and I *would* actually love Phole in this season if Paul Ruditis didn't make me love Phoop in Season 9 - then you won't. I've re-read S9 I'm not sure how many times, just like I've re-watched my S1-3 DVDs I'm not sure how many times. I doubt if I'll ever re-read S10 once it's done. And the others were right - Coop was *not* possessed by Cole, but I won't say anything beyond that so I don't spoil. And the possession does *not* last, so that's also good. But it makes no sense with that flash of Phoebe and Cole's wedding... And what they're doing with Prue makes absolutely no sense when you include what happened in Season 9. If that's how it affected Neena... So, no. I just don't like this. BUT who knows? Maybe you will. I'm very curious to see what you think. I've gotten into quite a few heated debates with people who would like to see Phoebe leave Coop for Cole, or have Coop die solely so that she can get back together with Cole... just horrendous in my opinion. I agree, Paul made me like Phoebe-Coop (and Coop himself) far more. Plus there's really nothing to suggest that Phoebe isn't content in her marriage and family life, so to have her leave that, IMO, would be having her act totally contradictory to what we've seen, just to appease a ship (something that has put me off other works of fiction in the past). If Cole had lived, I would've been cool with them slowly forming a friendship (which is how I took their conversation before he died), but nothing more. Glad the possession isn't permanent though. From what I saw, I worried it'd last the whole arc at least. Will definitely post some thoughts when I read it  Well it's a possibility that Coop might not be around in the future since we never saw them beyond his and Phoebe's third daughter in that flashforward. Also Wyatt didn't recognize Coop until Piper gave him his ring back. I think if Phoebe didn't have kids I think she would've left Coop for Cole but that's me. I think if Coop ever died and Cole still lived he would've wanted someone to take care of Phoebe and their girls so why not Cole? I don't think she's totally content with her marriage if she keeps thinking of Cole. I think she still loves him at least that's kinda been my vibe I got from Phoebe in Season 10 so far. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 3:52:19 GMT -5
Couldn't get the quote thingy to work.
"Well it's a possibility that Coop might not be around in the future since we never saw them beyond his and Phoebe's third daughter in that flashforward. Also Wyatt didn't recognize Coop until Piper gave him his ring back.
Sure it's possible, same goes for Henry, Paige or Phoebe herself... we only saw Piper and Leo into old age. *Sigh* it amazes me how much people have taken from that one moment with Wyatt. All because it took him like 2 seconds to say "Uncle Coop", what was he gonna do, speak over Coop and Piper's lines? Not to mention, this is the guy who didn't even recognise Grams for heaven knows what reason... so I'm not sure he's all that trust worthy a source frankly.
I think if Phoebe didn't have kids I think she would've left Coop for Cole but that's me. I think if Coop ever died and Cole still lived he would've wanted someone to take care of Phoebe and their girls so why not Cole?
Why not Cole? How long you got? There are many reasons on both sides as to why that wouldn't fly. I assure you, if I didn't have to rush off in like ten minutes, I'd list them. (I'll try and remember to when I come back)
And I don't believe Phoebe is only with Coop due to the girls. Again, there's absolutely nothing suggesting that Phoebe isn't very much in love with Coop and happy in her marriage. People may not like it, but generally she's happy.
I don't think she's totally content with her marriage if she keeps thinking of Cole. I think she still loves him at least that's kinda been my vibe I got from Phoebe in Season 10 so far."
I disagree; being happily married doesn't mean she can't mourn someone from her past. They have history, but history is the operative word here. Cole didn't just die, his soul was destroyed. That's very upsetting.
Say if this had happened to someone like Kyle or Glenn for example, I imagine Paige would be very, very upset about it and possibly feel a lot of guilt, but I certainly wouldn't question whether she was happy with Henry because of that.
Yeah I think she cared about him, as I said I think they were forming a friendship... but jumping from that to her possibly leaving her husband to get back together with him is just pure Phole fantasy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 6:07:43 GMT -5
And that's my issue with this. Not that Cole and Phoebe didn't end up together, but that Cole's whole existence was wiped out. Why didn't Shand just leave Cole alone. Shand is turning into Brad Kern Mark II.
Of course, it really doesn't matter to me, since I don't follow the comics or care about them. However, to those that do, this must really bug them.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jul 26, 2015 8:15:31 GMT -5
And that's my issue with this. Not that Cole and Phoebe didn't end up together, but that Cole's whole existence was wiped out. Why didn't Shand just leave Cole alone. Shand is turning into Brad Kern Mark II. Of course, it really doesn't matter to me, since I don't follow the comics or care about them. However, to those that do, this must really bug them. Yeah it pissed me off alot with not a very good explaination for it. If Shand wanted to raise the stakes he should've just stuck with the old ones storyline. |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jul 26, 2015 8:29:41 GMT -5
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 26, 2015 11:21:59 GMT -5
I don't think she's totally content with her marriage if she keeps thinking of Cole. I think she still loves him at least that's kinda been my vibe I got from Phoebe in Season 10 so far. But she didn't keep thinking about Cole until Season 10, and Pat Shand is very obviously a Phole fan. It's why I'm starting to count it as an alternate universe Phole-fan fanfic and not part of my own head-canon at all. And since the comics aren't canon just official fanon, it's perfectly AOK to do that. In Season 9 she was *very* content with her marriage while Cole continued to be obsessed with her, and if the Angel of Destiny married them, Coop's her true love - Cole was never anything but an obsession, just like despite what Pat Shand has Phoebe saying, Cole never loved Phoebe - he was just obsessed with her. If he truly loved her, he wouldn't have stalked her in S5 - he would've done what was best for her and left her alone. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 26, 2015 11:30:13 GMT -5
Man quoting on here is a bite Not sure what you mean by "bite". If you mean you enjoy it, have fun. If by bite, you mean he makes you roll your eyes, use the little gear on the right side to put him on Ignore and you never have to roll your eyes at him again. That's what I've done. Naturally, people who roll their eyes at me can do the same thing to me and they need never read my posts again.. I know I state the same opinion often enough but that's because I'm very passionate about it. People who don't agree with it and are tired of trying to argue with it (I'll admit that I'm wrong when someone proves it to me, but only if they prove it to me), they can put me on Ignore. No big deal to me. It's all a matter of differing opinions, which is the fun of message boards. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, but also everyone has the right to not read them. If there's someone whose opinion you don't want to waste your time reading or that you feel is just a troll or you think he's someone who thinks his poop doesn't stink and wants everyone to bow to his opionion, that's what the Ignore function is all about. The nice thing about it as compared to the Ignore function on other sites, is you can still read a post if you want to by hitting the "Display Post" button. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 26, 2015 11:55:40 GMT -5
Couldn't get the quote thingy to work. LOL, sometimes I have the same problem. That’s why I copy the post I’m quoting into a Word document and do it there, then paste it back. For some reason or another, that works better for me – although I still usually have to do a lot of editing. I *should* use the Preview function more – but I don’t… But your bolding works just fine. LOL, you’re right about that. But here’s the point – if what these fans think are right, Phoebe wouldn’t have left Coop until *after* she had her third child and Pat Shand has made it clear that that’s not going to happen. And the two girls looked to be at least four or five or six – which *might* be why he’s aged the kids so quickly. Good grief, Parker was just born last season while PJ was still a baby and now they look like they’re ready for school! Maybe this is why Pat Shand did it – so that that Cole will later possess Coop and the third child can be Cole’s. If that’s ever the case, I’ll definitely burn the issue. LOL, I’ll remind you – can’t wait to read what all of your reasons are. In Season 8 I believed she was only with Coop due to the girls because all she was looking for was her daughter, not love, which is why in my head canon (remembering that in mine, that flashforward is just Piper’s delusion as she dies after the explosion in “Kill Billie, Vol 2”, after Phoebe has Ladybug, she walks out on Coop). But the way Paul Ruditis wrote them in Season 9 totally changed my feelings on that. Now I do think they were the ones who lived sappily ever after, not Piper and Leo, since I can never imagine Piper as happy. Agreed, completely totally. Also agreed totally. I’m going to repeat what I posted earlier: I don't think she's totally content with her marriage if she keeps thinking of Cole. I think she still loves him at least that's kinda been my vibe I got from Phoebe in Season 10 so far. But she didn't keep thinking about Cole until Season 10, and Pat Shand is very obviously a Phole fan. It's why I'm starting to count it as an alternate universe Phole-fan fanfic and not part of my own head-canon at all. And since the comics aren't canon just official fanon, it's perfectly AOK to do that. In Season 9 she was *very* content with her marriage while Cole continued to be obsessed with her, and if the Angel of Destiny married them, Coop's her true love - Cole was never anything but an obsession, just like despite what Pat Shand has Phoebe saying, Cole never loved Phoebe - he was just obsessed with her. If he truly loved her, he wouldn't have stalked her in S5 - he would've done what was best for her and left her alone. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 26, 2015 11:57:33 GMT -5
Man I can't take the comics seriously now if you have demons worshiping a statue of Cole's demon half in the wasteland. Agreed totally. It just shows you how big of a Cole-fan Pat Shand is and why S10 has just made me roll my eyes. |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jul 26, 2015 16:47:51 GMT -5
In Season 9 Phoebe didn't know that he still existed until a couple of issues later. Cole realized that if Coop used his Cupid power on his family, it could possibly destroy all of his relations including Phoebe's, so he sought to protect them that's why he interfered. But he did go back to search for Prue after that. So I don't see how that was ever an obsession.
I cannot begin to understand how people can say and believe that they were not meant to be together!
Especially after all that they have gone through together. Even more so Cole. He has practically gone against everything he has ever known and the way he has lived his whole life (as a demon) to prove to Phoebe how much he loves her and to be with her.
What more can you ask for?
If Pat Shand was a Phole fan he wouldn't have Cole's soul destroyed. I think he said his favorite character to write about was Cole.
Just because you got married by an angel of destiny doesn't mean your marriage is safe.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 26, 2015 18:45:43 GMT -5
LOL, you don't understand what people can do to their favorite characters. If you could only have seen how much and how badly and how often Chris-fans have tortured their favorite character just so we can feel sorry for him... Oh, those fanfics written back in the day... *shudder* And that's what this reminds me of.
The fact that this whole season has been All About Cole tells you who his favorite is, and for the first time, Phoebe isn't content in her marriage.
That tells you all you need to know...
Now Pat Shand is more than welcomed to make a liar out of me - Paul Ruditis sure did often enough in Season 9.
But I sincerely doubt it.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jul 27, 2015 11:28:09 GMT -5
I just realized that season 8's finale title Forever Charmed was based off of Bob Dyalan's song "Forever Young" Sorry this came out of blue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 12:05:46 GMT -5
It was? News to me.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 27, 2015 12:16:56 GMT -5
Man quoting on here is a bite Not sure what you mean by "bite". If you mean you enjoy it, have fun. If by bite, you mean he makes you roll your eyes, use the little gear on the right side to put him on Ignore and you never have to roll your eyes at him again. That's what I've done. Naturally, people who roll their eyes at me can do the same thing to me and they need never read my posts again.. I know I state the same opinion often enough but that's because I'm very passionate about it. People who don't agree with it and are tired of trying to argue with it (I'll admit that I'm wrong when someone proves it to me, but only if they prove it to me), they can put me on Ignore. No big deal to me. It's all a matter of differing opinions, which is the fun of message boards. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, but also everyone has the right to not read them. If there's someone whose opinion you don't want to waste your time reading or that you feel is just a troll or you think he's someone who thinks his poop doesn't stink and wants everyone to bow to his opionion, that's what the Ignore function is all about. The nice thing about it as compared to the Ignore function on other sites, is you can still read a post if you want to by hitting the "Display Post" button. ROFL!!! Just realized that you meant trying to quote different pieces of the same post. My bad - I was half-asleep when I read it. But hopefully this is still good info for newbies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 13:38:34 GMT -5
Okay, so I just read the latest issue and here are my thoughts I guess...
WARNING- SPOILERS FOR ISSUE 10 COMING UP
-First I'll say how I felt about the issue generally. The way people talked, I was expecting a super exciting issue. Having now read it, I can understand why many fans were so excited... sadly, I can't share that. Once I finished it, my first thought, if I'm honest, was: "That's it? Well...pretty standard for this arc." Everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course and if you really enjoyed the issue, great. But personally, I found it to be another pretty middle of the road issue in what I've found to be a really middle of the road arc thus far.
-Okay, now some specifics and I'm going to start on something positive. I was happy to get some Henry time. I liked how it delved a bit into his feelings.
-So Benji's soul was in the orb and breaking it made it jump into Coop, okay. I'm glad this isn't a permanent thing at least, I had worried that this possession would last the whole arc if not a large part of the season. I'll try to keep an open mind, but honestly I'm not sure I'm that interested in Benjamin. But hey, we'll see, he has only just arrived in person... or in another person, as it were. Ahem.
-We have the revelation of what Prue is. Meh. I guess it's good that she can leave now, but I'm kind of underwhelmed by it. Also, I'm gonna re-read season 9 soon, but didn't the Earth nearly die the last time The All was contained within humans? And that was two humans (Neena and her mate). How were the higher powers cool with this?
- Also Kyra is human... but apparently she's coming back. I'm curious as to what she will return for seeing as she's now mortal and presumably powerless. Either way, she's about the only one making me smirk at the moment, so there's that.
- *Sigh* Now the ending. Honestly I'm not sure what to make of this. My first response was "THAT'S HORRIBLE". That's not just me is it? I mean, the guy sacrifices his life trying to save his child, the man he never got to meet... and Prue wants him to live his new life wearing that son's corpse? Like, "Hey, you know that kid you died trying to protect? Well here's his dead body for you to walk around in, enjoy your life! Oh and try not to feel too devastated every time you see him in a mirror!" It just seems completely horrific to me. I'm not convinced this was thought through. And if Prue has done this just so she can pretend she has her old roommate back... well there you have it guys, the assassination of Prue Halliwell. Looking at the power she has, I see no reason why she couldn't give Benjamin his own body back. But hey, maybe she'll come up with an amazing reason for doing this, I know as much as you guys.
So yeah, that's how I felt about it. I've only just read it, so I may think of some more things later.
I have to say right now Charmed is coming very close to getting crossed off my "comics to buy monthly" list. If I get to the end of the arc and I'm still this underwhelmed, I have a long list of comics that I could be buying instead. I gave up on Buffy, I can give up on Charmed if it means being able to buy better stories elsewhere.
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