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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 17:39:12 GMT -5
Makes sense, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 17:58:56 GMT -5
As much as I never liked how Phoebe ending up with someone who was essentially a Promotable Hunk of the Week basically invalidated the entirety of "The Honeymoon's Over" through "Centennial Charmed," I'd rather NOT see Phoebe end up with Cole again if his character has to be completely destroyed for it to happen. Just let Phoebe have her cardboard Dream Guy and move on.  Plus CBS (and Zenescope) really want it to be canon basically and since they own the rights, they can call it what they want. Wanting something to be canon isn't the same as it actually BEING canon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 18:01:19 GMT -5
I agree. Brad Kern did enough damage to Cole. Cole fans do not need to see Pat Shand pick up where Kern left off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 5:35:03 GMT -5
As much as I never liked how Phoebe ending up with someone who was essentially a Promotable Hunk of the Week basically invalidated the entirety of "The Honeymoon's Over" through "Centennial Charmed," I'd rather NOT see Phoebe end up with Cole again if his character has to be completely destroyed for it to happen. Just let Phoebe have her cardboard Dream Guy and move on. I haven't read this particular issue yet, but I don't get the impression that Cole is coming back... so I'm not too worried as far as "Phole" is concerned. But yeah, nevertheless, I agree. Plus CBS (and Zenescope) really want it to be canon basically and since they own the rights, they can call it what they want. Wanting something to be canon isn't the same as it actually BEING canon. ...Again, never said it was. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 24, 2015 11:24:23 GMT -5
As much as I never liked how Phoebe ending up with someone who was essentially a Promotable Hunk of the Week basically invalidated the entirety of "The Honeymoon's Over" through "Centennial Charmed," I'd rather NOT see Phoebe end up with Cole again if his character has to be completely destroyed for it to happen. Just let Phoebe have her cardboard Dream Guy and move on. I haven't read this particular issue yet, but I don't get the impression that Cole is coming back... so I'm not too worried as far as "Phole" is concerned. But yeah, nevertheless, I agree. Didn't you see that preview that Cyma posted?? Cole is taking over Coop, so Phole is definitely back... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR at Phole-aholic Pat Shand! No doubt that Season 10 is *not* part of my head canon, even if S9 (minus all the kids) is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 11:32:31 GMT -5
Poor Cole fans, those that follow the comics that is, seeing their favourite character get f*cked over again. And to do to save Mr. Cardboard of all things. There ain't no justice.
Of course, I'm rabidly anti-Coop either way. Doesn't any think it's pathetic that Phoebe needed the Elders to help her find the man of her dreams. Paige managed just fine without them.
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Post by cyma on Jul 24, 2015 11:34:53 GMT -5
I haven't read this particular issue yet, but I don't get the impression that Cole is coming back... so I'm not too worried as far as "Phole" is concerned. But yeah, nevertheless, I agree. Didn't you see that preview that Cyma posted?? Cole is taking over Coop, so Phole is definitely back... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR at Phole-aholic Pat Shand! No doubt that Season 10 is *not* part of my head canon, even if S9 (minus all the kids) is. I've got my hands on the issue :-) And Cole taking over Coop is not what happened. Can't say more without spoiling everything. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 24, 2015 11:44:13 GMT -5
Didn't you see that preview that Cyma posted?? Cole is taking over Coop, so Phole is definitely back... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR at Phole-aholic Pat Shand! No doubt that Season 10 is *not* part of my head canon, even if S9 (minus all the kids) is. I've got my hands on the issue :-) And Cole taking over Coop is not what happened. Can't say more without spoiling everything. REALLY?  Oh, what a relief!!! I wasn't looking forward to getting my issue tonight, but I will now. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 24, 2015 11:51:52 GMT -5
Yeah we know that. The comic "seasons" are just to separate each run of the comics I guess. Season 9 was Paul's, season 10 is Pat's. It's not the TV show, but sort of like a TV show, they're committed to 20 or so issues and then hope to get renewed for another run. That and the authors just seem to like writing it that way. Plus CBS (and Zenescope) really want it to be canon basically and since they own the rights, they can call it what they want. It's definitely not canon, but it's definitely official fanon which is becoming a lot of fans' head-canon, which makes it even more official fanon. The only thing that would change that would be a movie or a TV reunion show that shows something different and I doubt that CBS would allow that. As long as some entity owns the rights, they're going to want anything that they can see (like DVDs, comics, etc.) to be official fanon so they can sell it. So much as a lot of fans (particularly Charmed Sons fans who don't want the boys to have a sister) don't want to accept it as official fanon (note: I did *not* say and *won't* say canon), it is. Whenever a new Next Generation RP pops up, you very seldom see them not using the names used in the comics, so they become more and more fanon. I HATE the idea of the flashforward in "Forever Crap", I mean "Forever Piper", I mean "Forever Charmed" as real (it will *never* be real in my head-canon - just Piper's delusion as she's in a coma after the events of "Kill Billie, Vol 2" even if she *is* already pregnant with Melinda) but as far as CBS is concerned, it is (or Paul Ruditis wouldn't have gotten caught with including so many of them) so they can keep selling the DVDs and comics, but I've accepted the fact that it *IS* official fanon and nothing is going to happen to change it no matter how many fans may wish it was. Canon, no. Official fanon which most fans will accept as their head-canon, yest. Doesn't mean I have to like it - I don't, but that's what is. And every comic series that's based on a TV show and that continues the show calls them "Season Whatever", so that's how their fans look at it. Again, not canon, but a good way of referring to the issues. It's the reason why they do 20-23 issues per "season" - so it's like a season, even if I count each of the books that have a bunch of issues as an episode - the issues are just too short to be an episode. Doing it that way, "Season 9" was actually only 4 episodes long. That's the way I suggest "watching" the comic "seasons". |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 16:48:02 GMT -5
The only thing that would change that would be a movie or a TV reunion show that shows something different and I doubt that CBS would allow that. As long as some entity owns the rights, they're going to want anything that they can see (like DVDs, comics, etc.) to be official fanon so they can sell it. That's not necessarily true. The Star Wars EU is officially licensed and consistent with the first 6 movies. So, that means that JJ Abrams' new trilogy takes it into account, right? Wrong.While the universe of the Charmed comics isn't nearly as large or as old, it still exists in the same grey area. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 17:28:35 GMT -5
You're not the only one, Es. However, it is real, and the comics are bound by it, unless they start doing AU stuff. In fact, I'm sure a lot of fans would welcome that, especially those that hate that damned flash forward.
I guess Charmed fans are luckier than the Star Wars fans are in this regards. Unlike Star Wars, the chance of any canon continuation of the 1998-2006 version of Charmed is slim to none. So all the fanons, such as the comics, my R&H Chronicles, Storygirl's Heritage series, etc, are safe.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 24, 2015 21:46:02 GMT -5
The only thing that would change that would be a movie or a TV reunion show that shows something different and I doubt that CBS would allow that. As long as some entity owns the rights, they're going to want anything that they can see (like DVDs, comics, etc.) to be official fanon so they can sell it. That's not necessarily true. The Star Wars EU is officially licensed and consistent with the first 6 movies. So, that means that JJ Abrams' new trilogy takes it into account, right? Wrong.While the universe of the Charmed comics isn't nearly as large or as old, it still exists in the same grey area. I told you before, I don't follow links. Well, I got my issue and all I can say is "YAWN!" Which has pretty much been my reaction towards Season 10. No Phole, thank God, but the way I count "Forever Charmed" as "Forever Piper", I count Season 10 as "Forever Cole". Reading these issues reminds me a lot of watching S4-8 the first time - watching each episode every Sunday, waiting for something good, and being disappointed. Just like the fact that I won't buy the DVDs from S4-8, I won't buy the book version of S10. And unless something changes drastically, if anyone wants a season of comics, you're more welcomed to them. I will cherish my 4 books from Season 9, but not Season 10. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 22:35:43 GMT -5
I told you before, I don't follow links. Well, that's your loss. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 24, 2015 22:48:07 GMT -5
I told you before, I don't follow links. Well, that's your loss. Well, if you thought it was worth my time of reading, you would've taken the time to copy and paste it here as a quote and then use the link as your source. After all, links get corrupted, especially in ProBoards. And sites vanish, like thecharmedsons.proboards.com did, and thecharmedones.com did, even thewb.com and drewfuller.com did. Had you copied and pasted it, as most members do here, something in it might have caught my eye and I might have read it. But since you didn't... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 7:36:49 GMT -5
Well, I got my issue and all I can say is "YAWN!" Which has pretty much been my reaction towards Season 10. No Phole, thank God, but the way I count "Forever Charmed" as "Forever Piper", I count Season 10 as "Forever Cole". Reading these issues reminds me a lot of watching S4-8 the first time - watching each episode every Sunday, waiting for something good, and being disappointed. Just like the fact that I won't buy the DVDs from S4-8, I won't buy the book version of S10. And unless something changes drastically, if anyone wants a season of comics, you're more welcomed to them. I will cherish my 4 books from Season 9, but not Season 10. *Sigh* I was afraid of that  Thanks for posting your thoughts anyway. As suspected, it looks like I'll receive mine early next week. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 25, 2015 7:52:46 GMT -5
Well, I got my issue and all I can say is "YAWN!" Which has pretty much been my reaction towards Season 10. No Phole, thank God, but the way I count "Forever Charmed" as "Forever Piper", I count Season 10 as "Forever Cole". Reading these issues reminds me a lot of watching S4-8 the first time - watching each episode every Sunday, waiting for something good, and being disappointed. Just like the fact that I won't buy the DVDs from S4-8, I won't buy the book version of S10. And unless something changes drastically, if anyone wants a season of comics, you're more welcomed to them. I will cherish my 4 books from Season 9, but not Season 10. *Sigh* I was afraid of that Thanks for posting your thoughts anyway. As suspected, it looks like I'll receive mine early next week. Well, it all depends. If you love Cole and/or Phoebe, you're going to love this issue, just like you probably love Season 10. If you don't - as I don't...and I *would* actually love Phole in this season if Paul Ruditis didn't make me love Phoop in Season 9 - then you won't. I've re-read S9 I'm not sure how many times, just like I've re-watched my S1-3 DVDs I'm not sure how many times. I doubt if I'll ever re-read S10 once it's done. And the others were right - Coop was *not* possessed by Cole, but I won't say anything beyond that so I don't spoil. And the possession does *not* last, so that's also good. But it makes no sense with that flash of Phoebe and Cole's wedding... And what they're doing with Prue makes absolutely no sense when you include what happened in Season 9. If that's how it affected Neena... So, no. I just don't like this. BUT who knows? Maybe you will. I'm very curious to see what you think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 8:42:52 GMT -5
Well, it all depends. If you love Cole and/or Phoebe, you're going to love this issue, just like you probably love Season 10. If you don't - as I don't...and I *would* actually love Phole in this season if Paul Ruditis didn't make me love Phoop in Season 9 - then you won't. I've re-read S9 I'm not sure how many times, just like I've re-watched my S1-3 DVDs I'm not sure how many times. I doubt if I'll ever re-read S10 once it's done. And the others were right - Coop was *not* possessed by Cole, but I won't say anything beyond that so I don't spoil. And the possession does *not* last, so that's also good. But it makes no sense with that flash of Phoebe and Cole's wedding... And what they're doing with Prue makes absolutely no sense when you include what happened in Season 9. If that's how it affected Neena... So, no. I just don't like this. BUT who knows? Maybe you will. I'm very curious to see what you think. I've gotten into quite a few heated debates with people who would like to see Phoebe leave Coop for Cole, or have Coop die solely so that she can get back together with Cole... just horrendous in my opinion. I agree, Paul made me like Phoebe-Coop (and Coop himself) far more. Plus there's really nothing to suggest that Phoebe isn't content in her marriage and family life, so to have her leave that, IMO, would be having her act totally contradictory to what we've seen, just to appease a ship (something that has put me off other works of fiction in the past). If Cole had lived, I would've been cool with them slowly forming a friendship (which is how I took their conversation before he died), but nothing more. Glad the possession isn't permanent though. From what I saw, I worried it'd last the whole arc at least. Will definitely post some thoughts when I read it  |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 25, 2015 8:52:00 GMT -5
I've gotten into quite a few heated debates with people who would like to see Phoebe leave Coop for Cole, or have Coop die solely so that she can get back together with Cole... just horrendous in my opinion. Ditto, especially when we see the Angel of Destiny marrying Phoebe and Coop, and Wyatt saying that they're one - where Phoebe is, Coop is. (shall I barf now or barf later?) If fans want to believe that Forever Charmed is real (my head-canon will *always* say it's just Piper's delusion after she dies during the "Kill Billie, Vol. 2" battle), they must accept that Phoebe leaving Coop for Cole is totally inconsistent with that. They must accept that per canon, Phoebe never found love until she met Coop. (barf time again). Exactly, exactly so. I'm believing more and more that S10 is as much of an alternate-universe spin-off of Paul's S9 (Forever Cole) as S4-8 is of S1-3. That's what I took from when he and Prue left at the end of "Four's Company", and I would've been perfectly AOK with that. Especially with Cole calling Coop *her* cupid. Nope, hope I didn't spoil when I said it doesn't last the entire episode. But who is possessed next...well, definitely curious to see your reaction to that... Can't wait to find out... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 10:11:13 GMT -5
Well, if you thought it was worth my time of reading, you would've copied and pasted it here as a quote and then use the link as your source. After all, links get corrupted, especially in ProBoards. And sites vanish, like thecharmedsons.proboards.com did. Had you done that, as most members do here, something in it might have caught my eye and I might have read it. But since you didn't... I didn't need to do that because it did not pertain to the topic of the thread and would've just been a waste of space. It was just a side example I pulled out to prove a point. I've never had a link be corrupted by ProBoards, either here or at my site. And, I highly doubt the Daily Dot (the site I linked to) will die anytime soon like TCS did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 12:05:38 GMT -5
I'm not saying I'm solidly pro Phoebe/Cole. However, I am definitely anti-Coop. Nothing will get me to like Mr. Cardboard, not even if the great H.P. Lovecraft himself came back from the dead and wrote him.
Mr. Cardboard was just a hastily thrown together character, solely created because of Kern's 1950's way of thinking, that a woman can never be happy unless she marries and becomes a breeding machine.
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Oh, what a relief!!! I wasn't looking forward to getting my issue tonight, but I will now.
Thanks for posting your thoughts anyway. 