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Post by cyma on Apr 21, 2014 2:10:42 GMT -5
In 'Three Faces of Phoebe' episode, Paige finds out she got a promotion due to helping a woman in the previous episode, 'Charmed and Dangerous'. She uses a spell to fix the woman's bruised face so she could appear in court and fight for her son. How the heck is it personal gain on Paige's part? Shouldn't the spell Phoebe cast to find out if she should marry Cole or not be the personal gain type? And Paige's consequence actually be a reward considering she managed to help an innocent even when she and her sisters were in danger from the Source?
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Apr 21, 2014 5:20:47 GMT -5
It was probably considered personal gain because Paige used magic to got the promotion and didn't work for it like that guy Scott had even though what she did in her eyes was for the right reasons.
Like as she said to Piper at the end using magic changed Scott's future in that it got her considered for promotion instead of him which it should've been and so that's why she turned the promotion down.
Yes what Phoebe did was personal gain which wasn't unusual with the Charmed Ones since they used magic quite a lot to solve their problems instead of talking about it and working through their issues because it was there and was an easier way out even though it was wrong.
They were cocky excuse the french because they never got punished for it except times like when Phoebe was burned at the stake and when Piper was ill and finally when Phoebe forced herself to get premonitions which's why they kept doing it.
The Charmed Ones knew when they did things wrong it was wrong at the time but then 2 weeks later it would be brushed under the carpet as if saying like okay whatever because there wasn't any consequences to their actions which there should've been every time as then they wouldn't do what they did.
All 3 girls should've lost their powers when Phoebe did hers in my opinion as it would've made them have to think for themselves and that oh maybe every time we use magic irresponsibly it's wrong and that we shouldn't do it again but then who knows if that had have happened and they'd got their powers back eventually they may have abused it again some times which if they did then it should've been taken from them permanently because if that's what you're gonna do then you don't deserve them even though doing that would increase evils foothold in the world.
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Post by cyma on Apr 21, 2014 7:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 21, 2014 7:34:06 GMT -5
I've never understood why using a spell to help someone counts as personal gain while using spells for your own gratification isn't. If I could ask Brad Kern one thing regarding Charmed - especially if there was a way of making him tell the truth - I'd love to know his response to that.
But I think this is right - if it helped the plot, it wasn't personal gain.
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Post by cyma on Apr 24, 2014 3:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by forbuss on Sept 11, 2020 22:37:09 GMT -5
In 'Three Faces of Phoebe' episode, Paige finds out she got a promotion due to helping a woman in the previous episode, 'Charmed and Dangerous'. She uses a spell to fix the woman's bruised face so she could appear in court and fight for her son. How the heck is it personal gain on Paige's part? Shouldn't the spell Phoebe cast to find out if she should marry Cole or not be the personal gain type? And Paige's consequence actually be a reward considering she managed to help an innocent even when she and her sisters were in danger from the Source? Yeah it's actually hard to say what is and isn't personal gain because the show used it as such a plot device. I think that in the episode they could have gotten away from this confusion by not using the phrase "personal gain" as it pertained to Paige's situation. I think they just should have called it a side effect, or even a "backfire" or consequence. In the end of the episode Paige says "Phoebe used magic to change her future, but I used magic to change Scotts" who was due for the next promotion. I think it was less about her client (she did a good thing) and more about Scott, because Paige wouldn't have gotten the promotion if she had of used magic. Also, why the heck is Paige doing the job of a social worker when she's an assistant? In real life the agency could get in a lot of trouble for this... Anyway, the real reason I revived this thread is because I absolutely HATE this episode. For me, it may be the worst in the season. Young Phoebe and Old Phoebe are both HORRIBLE. I also really hate the whole Phoebe Cole getting married conversation - I much prefer the evil marriage if I am being honest (ahaha). |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 12, 2020 4:02:53 GMT -5
I wasn't overly keen on this episode either forbuss.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Sept 12, 2020 4:28:34 GMT -5
To be honest, the whole "personal gain" issue is very hard to define because anything could be considered personal gain. I just wished they went down the karma route, that you could write as many personal gain spells as you want but you have to consider the consequences.
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Post by forbuss on Sept 12, 2020 9:55:08 GMT -5
To be honest, the whole "personal gain" issue is very hard to define because anything could be considered personal gain. I just wished they went down the karma route, that you could write as many personal gain spells as you want but you have to consider the consequences. This would have been cool! Yeah, maybe it should have just been based on the Wicca Rede of "Do what ye will & harm none" and the Wiccan threefold rule. Maybe this would hav been better - under these rules, Phoebe's spell to bring her past/future self would not have been against it. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Sept 12, 2020 10:22:19 GMT -5
To be honest, the whole "personal gain" issue is very hard to define because anything could be considered personal gain. I just wished they went down the karma route, that you could write as many personal gain spells as you want but you have to consider the consequences. This would have been cool! Yeah, maybe it should have just been based on the Wicca Rede of "Do what ye will & harm none" and the Wiccan threefold rule. Maybe this would hav been better - under these rules, Phoebe's spell to bring her past/future self would not have been against it. I love that. I just wished that "personal gain" was more defined in the series, Phoebe could cast a spell that didn't result in personal gain being affected, so there is obvious ways around it that would be awesome to explore. I wished they focused more on Karma than anything else really, I mean it's already a concept why not expand on it, now that would be amazing, exploring both good karma and bad karma. |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 12, 2020 10:35:21 GMT -5
This would have been cool! Yeah, maybe it should have just been based on the Wicca Rede of "Do what ye will & harm none" and the Wiccan threefold rule. Maybe this would hav been better - under these rules, Phoebe's spell to bring her past/future self would not have been against it. I love that. I just wished that "personal gain" was more defined in the series, Phoebe could cast a spell that didn't result in personal gain being affected, so there is obvious ways around it that would be awesome to explore. I wished they focused more on Karma than anything else really, I mean it's already a concept why not expand on it, now that would be amazing, exploring both good karma and bad karma. In the early seasons I think they did a good job of establishing that personal gain is something that would benefit them as women, as humans, and not something that would benefit them as the "Charmed Ones". The lines were definitely very blurred between "personal gain" and "spells backfiring", to the point where they were almost the same thing. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Sept 12, 2020 10:38:44 GMT -5
I love that. I just wished that "personal gain" was more defined in the series, Phoebe could cast a spell that didn't result in personal gain being affected, so there is obvious ways around it that would be awesome to explore. I wished they focused more on Karma than anything else really, I mean it's already a concept why not expand on it, now that would be amazing, exploring both good karma and bad karma. In the early seasons I think they did a good job of establishing that personal gain is something that would benefit them as women, as humans, and not something that would benefit them as the "Charmed Ones". The lines were definitely very blurred between "personal gain" and "spells backfiring", to the point where they were almost the same thing. Exactly, though I believed while the show was progressing (or regressing, depending on your view) a lot of things were blurred. |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 12, 2020 13:17:20 GMT -5
In the early seasons I think they did a good job of establishing that personal gain is something that would benefit them as women, as humans, and not something that would benefit them as the "Charmed Ones". The lines were definitely very blurred between "personal gain" and "spells backfiring", to the point where they were almost the same thing. Exactly, though I believed while the show was progressing (or regressing, depending on your view) a lot of things were blurred. Yeah, I definitely agree with you. While I do recognize the show got "bad" or "worse in quality", I generally have an easier time watching the later seasons than most (I would say). I really did fall in love with Paige in season four, and I did enjoy Piper being the eldest. And of course I am a Phoebe Stan  |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Sept 12, 2020 20:37:38 GMT -5
Exactly, though I believed while the show was progressing (or regressing, depending on your view) a lot of things were blurred. Yeah, I definitely agree with you. While I do recognize the show got "bad" or "worse in quality", I generally have an easier time watching the later seasons than most (I would say). I really did fall in love with Paige in season four, and I did enjoy Piper being the eldest. And of course I am a Phoebe Stan I enjoyed the "growing up" that needed to be done during the fourth season, because while anyone could have died, Prue dying made the sisters realise that being the eldest comes with a lot of responsiblty. Phoebe especially, she really did mentor Paige. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jun 5, 2023 16:58:04 GMT -5
It was probably considered personal gain because Paige used magic to got the promotion and didn't work for it like that guy Scott had even though what she did in her eyes was for the right reasons. Like as she said to Piper at the end using magic changed Scott's future in that it got her considered for promotion instead of him which it should've been and so that's why she turned the promotion down. I was looking for a new thread (from my perspective) to post in, and this thread (plus your post) caught my attention. As BOTH Prue's Feather and I always disagreed about what Paige did being for "personal gain", but I guess the way you put it, makes sense, and I wish I've seen it sooner than now LOL |
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Post by lunchking on Jun 5, 2023 17:48:25 GMT -5
It was probably considered personal gain because Paige used magic to got the promotion and didn't work for it like that guy Scott had even though what she did in her eyes was for the right reasons. Like as she said to Piper at the end using magic changed Scott's future in that it got her considered for promotion instead of him which it should've been and so that's why she turned the promotion down. I was looking for a new thread (from my perspective) to post in, and this thread (plus your post) caught my attention. As BOTH Prue's Feather and I always disagreed about what Paige did being for "personal gain", but I guess the way you put it, makes sense, and I wish I've seen it sooner than now LOL I feel the same way. Melinda Halliwell , your post really put it into perspective for me. |
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Post by aggiefan12 on Aug 4, 2023 19:07:01 GMT -5
I thought Phoebe changed the wording of the spell from the book to make it not seemed like it was personal gain and I guess it's possible for Paige's to be personal gain for using magic to clear up the beatings that lady got from her ex before going to court which I didn't understand this storyline cause a judge I'm sure would side with the woman unless the woman had issues as well. Although she may hay have been thinking I'm probably gonna die so I have nothing to lose thing
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Post by zachary on Aug 4, 2023 20:52:00 GMT -5
It was probably considered personal gain because Paige used magic to got the promotion and didn't work for it like that guy Scott had even though what she did in her eyes was for the right reasons. Like as she said to Piper at the end using magic changed Scott's future in that it got her considered for promotion instead of him which it should've been and so that's why she turned the promotion down. I was looking for a new thread (from my perspective) to post in, and this thread (plus your post) caught my attention. As BOTH Prue's Feather and I always disagreed about what Paige did being for "personal gain", but I guess the way you put it, makes sense, and I wish I've seen it sooner than now LOL I feel the same way. Melinda Halliwell , your post really put it into perspective for me. I guess I have always seen it in that sense, but I still feel like it shouldn't be considered a consequence of personal gain. Paige gets a promotion, yay! At the expense of another co-worker? Sure he's been there longer, but it's what Paige did that helped get her the promotion. Who's to say that the judge wouldn't have overlooked Carolyn's injuries? The boyfriend wasn't a problem after this episode, as the woman got her son back. Paige showed many times throughout this episode how much effort and passion she puts into the people she helps during her job. It wouldn't have felt right for Paige to not have been given a promotion, because she clearly deserved one after everything she did for Carolyn, even if you take away the spell-casting.
If ANYTHING, if Paige truly felt bad, I would've just requested that Scott still recieve the promotion as well, and if not, transfer Paige to another place that has room for her, if her place doesn't have room. Either way, I don't think she should've felt bad or seen this as a consequence. Magic should reap those types of rewards anyways.
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