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Post by Astral Vision on May 30, 2014 8:38:26 GMT -5
Season 2, Episode 15: Give Me A Sign. Prue is kidnapped by Bane. Piper and Phoebe know this thanks to Darryl telling them that Bane escaped from prison. They also know there may be demons involved due to the presence of a strange metallic weapon only used by upper-level demons.
I am having a huge issue with this episode regarding the following: Piper and Phoebe are trying to locate Prue, but they never try to find her via the method of scrying. I realise this is because Phoebe's spell has to have that twist where they realise it's been pointing them to Prue and Bane all along, however: Earlier in season two, the sisters did learn to scry and I would have liked for them to have at least come up with an in-episode reason why they could not have used that method.
Any ideas as a possible to an in-episode reason other than that they forgot they could scry for her?
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Post by Esmeralda on May 30, 2014 10:53:40 GMT -5
I wonder if it's because of the fact that since they just learned it, they may not have thought that it could also work on a witch. Just a guess.
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Post by Astral Vision on May 30, 2014 11:40:24 GMT -5
Wasn't the point of using it the first time around was that it did work on a witch? Unless I'm mistaken, they learnt it in That Old Black Magic specifically to find the evil witch because it should work as she was a witch.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 30, 2014 12:50:23 GMT -5
Which was actually a few episodes back. I still think my explanation works - they simply didn't think about it.
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Post by thepowerofnicki on Jun 1, 2014 1:05:11 GMT -5
I think I kind of agree with Esmeralda because it was relatively new they probably easily forgot about it. For example when I first watched it I forgot all about scrying which makes me feel a they did as well. I think being used to scrying from the later seasons makes us expect it more. It became a must do step later on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 23:09:48 GMT -5
Maybe they thought scrying could only locate evil beings at this point.
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Post by craig on Jan 11, 2017 7:30:06 GMT -5
Well whatever works for the story right. But they were new to scrying, and just forgot.
But most witch mythologies use a locator spell using blood to locate someone. Normally in this case it would be Piper or Phoebe's blood to find Prue, since they are related. I can't remember if Charmed ever did this? Can someone confirm this?
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Post by ljones on Jan 17, 2017 20:47:58 GMT -5
Which was actually a few episodes back. I still think my explanation works - they simply didn't think about it. The writer or writers didn't think of it. |
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Post by Polarity on Jan 30, 2017 19:09:44 GMT -5
Well whatever works for the story right. But they were new to scrying, and just forgot. But most witch mythologies use a locator spell using blood to locate someone. Normally in this case it would be Piper or Phoebe's blood to find Prue, since they are related. I can't remember if Charmed ever did this? Can someone confirm this? They had a spell which said, "Blood to blood I summon thee, Blood to blood return to me.". Piper tried to use that after Prue died, in the first episode of season 4, and I know they had to have used it somewhere else, but surprisingly I'm unable to think of when right now. I don't know if that's what you mean, but when you said using their blood, I remember Piper pricking her finger while doing that spell. Oh, I just remembered..they called back Melinda Warren using their blood. "Melinda Warren, blood of our blood, our great-great-(Etc) grandmother, we summon thee." I just looked that one up.  I never noticed the discrepancy in that episode before, though! Really good thinking!! I would guess, like most, that they just forgot about it. They were probably so worried about her, that it just didn't cross their minds. |
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Post by craig on Jan 30, 2017 21:41:19 GMT -5
Well whatever works for the story right. But they were new to scrying, and just forgot. But most witch mythologies use a locator spell using blood to locate someone. Normally in this case it would be Piper or Phoebe's blood to find Prue, since they are related. I can't remember if Charmed ever did this? Can someone confirm this? They had a spell which said, "Blood to blood I summon thee, Blood to blood return to me.". Piper tried to use that after Prue died, in the first episode of season 4, and I know they had to have used it somewhere else, but surprisingly I'm unable to think of when right now. I don't know if that's what you mean, but when you said using their blood, I remember Piper pricking her finger while doing that spell. Oh, I just remembered..they called back Melinda Warren using their blood. "Melinda Warren, blood of our blood, our great-great-(Etc) grandmother, we summon thee." I just looked that one up. I never noticed the discrepancy in that episode before, though! Really good thinking!! I would guess, like most, that they just forgot about it. They were probably so worried about her, that it just didn't cross their minds. Aww - so they have. Big thanks, I wasn't too sure. But wasn't the blood to blood, meant to resurrect, or is Melinda a special case. Err this show was so not consistent, I can't keep track of the rules LOL |
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Post by Polarity on Jan 30, 2017 22:04:17 GMT -5
They had a spell which said, "Blood to blood I summon thee, Blood to blood return to me.". Piper tried to use that after Prue died, in the first episode of season 4, and I know they had to have used it somewhere else, but surprisingly I'm unable to think of when right now. I don't know if that's what you mean, but when you said using their blood, I remember Piper pricking her finger while doing that spell. Oh, I just remembered..they called back Melinda Warren using their blood. "Melinda Warren, blood of our blood, our great-great-(Etc) grandmother, we summon thee." I just looked that one up. I never noticed the discrepancy in that episode before, though! Really good thinking!! I would guess, like most, that they just forgot about it. They were probably so worried about her, that it just didn't cross their minds. Aww - so they have. Big thanks, I wasn't too sure. But wasn't the blood to blood, meant to resurrect, or is Melinda a special case. Err this show was so not consistent, I can't keep track of the rules LOL Now I'm forgetting if the blood to blood was to resurrect or to just to call a lost witch. In the 4th season opener, when Piper uses that, she does say the beginning of the lost witch spell, puts some ingredients into the pot, then does the blood to blood line. However, in Melinda's case, they talked about finding a spell, but it would involve pricking their fingers and "losing a little blood." Oh, the inconsistencies! They are all over the place! I always thought the writers needed to come online and get some fans to read their episodes and tell them if the timeline and things were correct before they taped it.  |
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 1, 2017 0:55:59 GMT -5
I also agree with Es. They probably didn't think of it. But there is also the fact Phoebe had screwed up with magic already and Piper was really upset about it. They probably didn't trust scrying would find them Prue as phoebes spell was still In effect. instead it might have found something related to phoebes first spell to find pipers true love. Though eventually they dicovered phoebes clues were also for Prue.
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Post by imdb lives on on Oct 16, 2017 9:47:40 GMT -5
It probably backfired like the lost and found spell. It was only to find an engagement ring and it ended up finding anything they ever lost.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 16:35:04 GMT -5
I wonder if it's because of the fact that since they just learned it, they may not have thought that it could also work on a witch. Just a guess. I'm inclined to agree with this assessment. They were still learning what it means to be witches and may not have thought to scry, as they do out of habit, in later seasons. |
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Post by The Crone on Aug 22, 2021 17:21:56 GMT -5
I wonder if it's because of the fact that since they just learned it, they may not have thought that it could also work on a witch. Just a guess. I'm inclined to agree with this assessment. They were still learning what it means to be witches and may not have thought to scry, as they do out of habit, in later seasons. That's a great theory, and it does make sense. However they did use it the first time on Tuatha (an evil Witch) and we also learned that Warlocks cannot be found via scrying, unless they possess a power stolen from a witch, and canon changed that rule when warlocks could scry later on. I take it to Sheryl just forgetting, or they just didn't use it for story purposes, as they needed the give me a sign spell as part of the plot to find Prue. Then again for all we know they did use it and it was a scene left on the cutting room floor or in the script originally. I'll just go with them being new, and in a stressful situation worried about Prue, that it didn't come to mind to use it. |
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