Cole’s suicide attempts: Did he actually stop?

[cyma]

Was being mad and evil just a trick for the Charmed Ones to find other ways to vanquish him? When Phoebe refused to help him commit suicide on his terms, does he create more situations to blind them to hatred: working with Jeric, making Piper choose between Phoebe and Paige, having Phoebe herself mummified to win her over? Was using the Nexus actually an attempt to make Phoebe evil or be killed by the Shadow? And changing reality to a time when he and Phoebe was the happiest…well shouldn’t it be before Prue died or when Cole was human? He also didn’t seem to care he wasn’t invincible anymore when the Avatar warns him and pleads him to reverse the spell. So has Cole’s ultimate plan always been to commit suicide?

[cyma]

Reply from another board:

It wasn't a trick. Cole had indeed gone mad to an extent and was slowly giving into the evil in him. But this is my Theory. What happened with Cole is that after that whole Barbas messing with his head thing in "Sympathy for A Demon" and the sisters still knocking him down and seeing him as evil after trying to help them in the end by taking back his powers, was the last straw and he just lost it and started drinking. The drinking lowered his inhibitions and the Evil in him began to take over. The Avatars mentioned it to him in "Sam I Am" about the evil beginning to take over.

As for the madness to commit suicide that idea was implanted in him by phoebe without her knowing it in "Sam I Am". It made Cole begin to realize that coming back from the wastelands to get phoebe wasnt working so leaving was his only option, so his new ultimate goal was now to commit suicide even if it meant hurting those phoebe loved to achieve it. Finding out in the process that he was invincible just drove him further into his madness and obsession with finding a way to kill himself. But whenever he felt a viable opportunity presented itself to get phoebe back he'd jump at it like with the mummy thing with Jeric and the avatars and the nexus. He became sober enough at one time to be able to rally the underworld to help him get to the nexus to use and turn phoebe evil.

And this is all the result of two powerful magical people good and evil fighting. A magical lovers quarrel between Phoebe and Cole. I'm surprised Piper didn't forbid phoebe from provoking Cole or responding to him as it always ended up badly for everyone else.



Phoebe: did you kill two people last night?
Cole: I don't have time for this
Phoebe: Well you better make time for this
Cole: I can't be good I won't be evil. what do you want from me?
Phoebe: I want an answer
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Cole: Spare me the judgmental crap. You have no idea what I'm going through right now.
Phoebe: No, I don't and I don't wanna know.
Cole: Then why are you still here?
Phoebe: I'm here to warn you. If you kill another person, good or evil, I will vanquish you.
(She heads back to the elevator.)
Cole: You really think you have the power to vanquish me?
Phoebe: Try me.
(She walks into the elevator and the doors shut.)
Cole: I might just do that.

After that confrontation poor Piper is totally confused by Coles direct attack on them with the dark lighter shooting Leo and Sam. She doesn't realize they are caught in the middle of a lovers quarrel and phoebe didn't even tell piper about her confrontation with Cole earlier and her threatening to vanquish him next time [smile]

(after Leo and Sam are attacked by the dark lighter)
Phoebe: Shh, just try and rest. (Piper walks over to Phoebe and Paige.) How's Leo doing?
Piper: He's been better.
Phoebe: I can't believe Cole would go this far.
Piper: Yeah, and why now? What's the occasion?
Phoebe: Because he's pure evil.
Piper: Yeah, but it's just not smart. And good or evil, Cole is usually smart.
Phoebe: Well, he's obviously lost his mind. I mean, he killed two people yesterday, in public.

[Chrisaholic]

Cole was always smart and used this to his advantage, and with knowing the sisters as well as he did, he could have had the upper hand here. He might have gone crazy because he knew for sure that he couldn't win Phoebe back for good. My opinion.

[imdb lives on]

Didn't his madness start with Barbas tormenting him and when he took back the powers he changed. I think Cole finally gave up on being good. It took her to open his heart and her to push him over the limit. He became a poorly written character

[Esmeralda]

Oct 15, 2017 2:04:49 GMT -5 imdb lives on said:

Didn't his madness start with Barbas tormenting him and when he took back the powers he changed. I think Cole finally gave up on being good. It took her to open his heart and her to push him over the limit. He became a poorly written character.

Just like she did. 'Long Live the Queen' *so* should've been his last episode!

[magena]

His new power was too difficult to handle even for a demon strong like him, as the power of the goddesses was a risk even for strong witches as the Charmed Ones

[gzv969]

Cole wasn’t really mad. He was only mad because he had been drinking. After having his mind being messed with by Barbas in “sympathy for a demon” and seeing all the sisters including phoebe pull away from him once he got his powers back, was again heartbreaking for him. The whole ordeal reminded him of when Reynor did the same to his mind in season 3 (messing with his head) and he though then he lost phoebe for good.

It drove him to drink and in his drunkenness, to try to figure out a way to vanquish himself. Since he couldn’t be good or couldn’t be evil and saw no way out for him. And remember the avatars were still actively messing with his head though all this. Making it even worse.

But once he figured out that he had a way forward, (by either taking in the nexus to turn phoebe evil or to re recreate reality with the help of the avatars) he then sobered up fast and wasn’t mad anymore. (“Importance of being phoebe” and “Centennial Charmed”)