Could Christy really be saved?

[cyma]

The adult Christy. Even after finding out the Triad were responsible for her parents’ murder, she used the tragedy to lure Billie to her side by blaming it on the Charmed Ones. After Billie tried to make her see reason that the Triad were using and manipulating her, she paid no heed and walked away to figure out a way to kill the Charmed Ones again. And ofcourse in the end, tried to kill her own sister along with the Charmed Ones for helping them vanquish Dumain and the Triad.

So could adult Christy really be saved? Or was she as far gone as Evil Wyatt?

[Esmeralda]

No, she probably had gone too far to be saved.

But rather than planning on murdering her, just like Past Phoebe in "Pardon My Past", the Charmed Ones should've bound her powers, the same way they bound the Enchantress' powers.

Or after the explosion, Piper could've put time travel to a much better use - talk Billie into saving her own big sister by projecting herself back to the past when Christy was first kidnapped and then use her powers to get rid of the demons who had done that. With Christy growing up with her own family, she never would've been corrupted into using her powers for evil.

Problem solved, since now there is no need for the Ultimate Battle - instead they saved the Ultimate Innocent - Christy - a MUCH better ending, particularly if we had found out that the reason those two were so powerful is that they are the granddaughters of Grams' brother Gordon Johnson II....also Warrens.

[cyma]

Aug 27, 2014 11:07:30 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Or after the explosion, Piper could've put time travel to a much better use - talk Billie into saving her own big sister by projecting herself back to the past when Christy was first kidnapped and then use her powers to get rid of the demons who had done that. With Christy growing up with her own family, she never would've been corrupted into using her powers for evil.

Except in Wyatt's case, doesn't seem like a solution. Shouldn't Patty or Prue also be saved then from dying? Or Cole saved from being raised by his mother? Consequences could screw everything up.

[robert123]

Not neccesarily. Because Christy's destiny wasn't tied to the Charmed Ones until 2006, so I don't think her growing up with her family would have actually stopped  Prue's death. And for Cole and Patty its definitely no, because he was born in what, 1885? So, by the time Christy was kidnapped, Cole already was the almighty Belthazor. And Patty died in 1978, so, again, its before Christy was even born, meaning that Christy growing up with her parents wouldn't affect that either.

[cyma]

That’s not what I meant. If going back in time to save young Christy and having her live with her family instead of Triad was really that simple to do, shouldn’t it be done for Prue, Patty as well? Or Cole who needed most saving? The reason I don’t see this as the solution is changing the past could have unforeseen consequences as seen in Centennial Charmed. And while Chris succeeded going back in time and saving his brother and Charmed Ones(perhaps Destiny allowed it due to Wyatt being Twice-Blessed?), it resulted in Avatars almost taking control of the world. So I'm having a hard time accepting time travel as a solution to saving Christy.

[robert123]

Oh, I understand now. Well, to be honest, I'm not certain, but my guess is that since Christy is not close to them, maybe there are no consequences as they're just trying to help. But if they tried to do that with Patty or Prue, again, my guess is that it would have some consequences because they're the mother and sister of the Charmed Ones, and, following the series logic, it would be personal gain(Right? I'm not entirely sure). As for Cole, I can't explain why they couldn't do that to save him, because they would be saving someone who could do good.

[phoenixflame]

Aug 28, 2014 12:13:54 GMT -5 robert123 said:

Oh, I understand now. Well, to be honest, I'm not certain, but my guess is that since Christy is not close to them, maybe there are no consequences as they're just trying to help. But if they tried to do that with Patty or Prue, again, my guess is that it would have some consequences because they're the mother and sister of the Charmed Ones, and, following the series logic, it would be personal gain(Right? I'm not entirely sure). As for Cole, I can't explain why they couldn't do that to save him, because they would be saving someone who could do good.

Trying to save Patty and Prue this way would not only be definite personal gain, but mean and decietful as well. Saving Patty (correct me if I'm wrong) would mean ending the lives of the many people Patty's death saved.And while attempting to save Prue it would probably come to someone's attention that saving Prue would mean denying Paige her powers, her (real) family, her sisters, her husband and children, and ultimately, her life.

And I never really thought about it until now, but where the hell were the avatars when Prue died? Ernie's Juice Bar ?(I love you if you get this reference)

[robert123]

I never thought it to those ends, but I agree with you. Specially on saving Prue.

[ljones]

It's too bad that Christy died. I preferred her over Billie.

[cyma]

Aug 28, 2014 17:08:43 GMT -5 phoenixflame said:

Trying to save Patty and Prue this way would not only be definite personal gain, but mean and decietful as well. Saving Patty (correct me if I'm wrong) would mean ending the lives of the many people Patty's death saved.And while attempting to save Prue it would probably come to someone's attention that saving Prue would mean denying Paige her powers, her (real) family, her sisters, her husband and children, and ultimately, her life.

Though I'm still trying to figure out about Prue, I can see Patty's death having saved many lives. The lake was closed only after her death. The water demon was luring, killing and making his victims disappear underwater and people probably just thought them missing and never knew. Even if she had survived, would she been able to easily kill it? Or get the lake closed somehow? Sam had to electrocute himself to kill the demon.

[phoenixflame]

Aug 29, 2014 10:05:07 GMT -5 cyma said:

Aug 28, 2014 17:08:43 GMT -5 phoenixflame said:

Trying to save Patty and Prue this way would not only be definite personal gain, but mean and decietful as well. Saving Patty (correct me if I'm wrong) would mean ending the lives of the many people Patty's death saved.And while attempting to save Prue it would probably come to someone's attention that saving Prue would mean denying Paige her powers, her (real) family, her sisters, her husband and children, and ultimately, her life.

Though I'm still trying to figure out about Prue

What I meant was saving Prue would mean that Paige never becomes a witch which is how she accuires the things I listed. For example, Paige met Henry through her charge. If Paige never became a witch, then chances are the Elders would keep her from becoming a whitelighter as well (because of the chance of her coming across her sister(s)) which would mean she never meets Henry.

[Melinda Halliwell]

Paige could've still met Henry through her social worker job via one of his perolees despite the fact she wasn't a witch 'cause Prue was still alive you never know.

With regards to Christy it's uncertain whether people think she could've been saved or not even if the charmed ones hadn't tried murdering her after attempting to help Christy as she may've been too far gone by the time they got to her.

She was taken by a demon when she was 7 years old and was then brainwashed and manipulated by the Triad and Dumain 24/7 to believe good was evil and evil was good 11 years straight.

What that does to a young girl psychology is horrendous and something that can't be magiced away obviously like how Piper tried to do that with her fear of water which didn't work.

Maybe with a lot of support and counselling Christy could have been who knows although it wouldn't have been done with a regular one obviously because of the nature of the situation.

We have to remember she'd been with the Triad and Dumain so long unfortunately that she knew them more than her own family who she forgot over time and believed they were her family and friend whom she'd do anything for 'cause she thought she loved them in some twisted way like how certain boys or girls might do when taken by a paedophile and groomed for many years or used as a sex slave by the person themselves as that's all they know.

Had Christy been rescued a year or 2 after the kidnapping it would've been easier to save her of course but her innocence had already been taken afterwards that her notion of good was just replaced with evil, evil, evil.

Why the writers didn't use time travel as a means of saving Christy might've been due to the fact they already had the ultimate power storyline battle idea inside their heads and the supposed Billie spin off program to I don't know.

[cyma]

Aug 29, 2014 10:25:08 GMT -5 phoenixflame said:

Aug 29, 2014 10:05:07 GMT -5 cyma said:

Though I'm still trying to figure out about Prue

What I meant was saving Prue would mean that Paige never becomes a witch which is how she accuires the things I listed. For example, Paige met Henry through her charge. If Paige never became a witch, then chances are the Elders would keep her from becoming a whitelighter as well (because of the chance of her coming across her sister(s)) which would mean she never meets Henry.

Like melindahalliwell mentioned, you never know whether or not Prue being alive would result in Paige and Henry meeting or Paige becoming a whitelighter or Paige meeting her sisters. As seen in Charmed Again, Paige was already had been coming to P3 for over a year since she found out she may be related to the Halliwells. If the Elders were tolerant towards Piper and Leo marrying and Mel in Morality Bites future, then I think they won't stop Paige from becoming a whitelighter.

What would be wrong is if Forever Charmed Piper traveled back to save Prue. Besides Paige being affected in someway, I think the consequences may also be either Wyatt or Chris not being born. Or the Source not being vanquished. 

[cyma]

Aug 30, 2014 5:04:07 GMT -5 Melinda Halliwell said:

Paige could've still met Henry through her social worker job via one of his perolees despite the fact she wasn't a witch 'cause Prue was still alive you never know.

With regards to Christy it's uncertain whether people think she could've been saved or not even if the charmed ones hadn't tried murdering her after attempting to help Christy as she may've been too far gone by the time they got to her.

She was taken by a demon when she was 7 years old and was then brainwashed and manipulated by the Triad and Dumain 24/7 to believe good was evil and evil was good 11 years straight.

What that does to a young girl psychology is horrendous and something that can't be magiced away obviously like how Piper tried to do that with her fear of water which didn't work.

Maybe with a lot of support and counselling Christy could have been who knows although it wouldn't have been done with a regular one obviously because of the nature of the situation.

We have to remember she'd been with the Triad and Dumain so long unfortunately that she knew them more than her own family who she forgot over time and believed they were her family and friend whom she'd do anything for 'cause she thought she loved them in some twisted way like how certain boys or girls might do when taken by a paedophile and groomed for many years or used as a sex slave by the person themselves as that's all they know.

Had Christy been rescued a year or 2 after the kidnapping it would've been easier to save her of course but her innocence had already been taken afterwards that her notion of good was just replaced with evil, evil, evil.

Yeah, it’s sad, but living and growing up with demons or even criminals, would make you think and act like one. Everything bad would be just normal to you. Although there was a glimmer of hope when Christy’s parents were alive, but sadly that was not to be. But even if she couldn’t be saved, it would’ve been nice to see Christy being helped. And help doesn't mean eating in public and how to walk in high heels. Something like Paige telling the Elders to give her charges to someone else and she exclusively help Christy. As established in Charmed Again, Paige absolutely hated child abuse, that the Source easily influenced her to kill the father of child who she believed was hurting his son. Now a girl being kidnapped by demons and growing up in captivity should’ve absolutely horrified her.

[CharmedBOSthanh]

No dear Christy had gone to the dark side of the force, oops wrong show that's star Wars. But seriously when she killed the Triad dude it proved she was beyond help it was sad where as Billie asked for forgiveness so she could be saved. It was kind of sad that Billie killed Christy and the Charmed Ones stood there looking not very bright.

[Nimue]

There probably was a chance that Christy could have been saved, but it would have taken a lot of time and determination from everyone. And even then there's no guarantee that it would have worked out: Christy grew up with her sense of right and wrong completely twisted by the Triad and other demons, and that's something very difficult to get over. But the sisters should have tried harder to get through to her, and not try to kill her and Billie just because they were supposedly the Ultimate Power.

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Aug 27, 2014 11:07:30 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

No, she probably had gone too far to be saved.

But rather than planning on murdering her, just like Past Phoebe in "Pardon My Past", the Charmed Ones should've bound her powers, the same way they bound the Enchantress' powers.

Or after the explosion, Piper could've put time travel to a much better use - talk Billie into saving her own big sister by projecting herself back to the past when Christy was first kidnapped and then use her powers to get rid of the demons who had done that. With Christy growing up with her own family, she never would've been corrupted into using her powers for evil.

Problem solved, since now there is no need for the Ultimate Battle - instead they saved the Ultimate Innocent - Christy - a MUCH better ending, particularly if we had found out that the reason those two were so powerful is that they are the granddaughters of Grams' brother Gordon Johnson II....also Warrens.

That would've made a much better ending to the series. I remembering thinking up something similar for Paige, had Prue survived and she had been introduced. Grams' brother had become a warlock and was disowned from the family. 

You're so right, why COULDN'T they just have bound her powers? Would've been so simple, but I guess they wouldn't know what to do with her afterwards.

[ljones]

Actually, Christy could have been saved in the hands of a different writer or producer.

[Deleted]

Something I wrote on this topic a while back...


Much of Season Eight was devoted to the quest to find Christy Jenkins, the older sister of Billie, whom had been kidnapped by Demons some 15 years earlier. Halfway through the season, Billie succeeded in locating her long missing sibling, and brought her back to Halliwell Manor. It was assumed that Christy would be gradually integrated back into human society.

However, what the Charmed Ones and Billie didn't know was that Christy was secretly working for the Triad (a lame plot device that has been discussed elsewhere here). In the end, in the final episode, The Charmed Ones and Billie had succeeded in disposing of the Triad and Dumane, their mook. Only Christy remained. Christy then shot a fireball at Billie, who deflected back at Christy. After killing the sister she had tried so hard to save, we then got Billie's cringe inducing grief scene. The end.

Wait a minute here!

Did the writer forget that Christy was not evil by her own choosing, she had been brainwashed by Demons for a decade and a half. As I have said, if the Demons had told Christy that 2+2=5, she would have believed it without question. When you take that into account, the ending makes no sense at all. Killing a Demon that had chosen the path of evil by their own free will is one thing, however, killing an Innocent that had been brainwashed for years is another thing entirely. I mean, the writer spent half a season on this story line, and this is how their ended it. As TV Tropes would say: What the hell, hero?

A few years later, I started my Rex and Hannah Chronicles. For my 7th story, I came up with The Troubled Spirit, which involved Rex and Hannah helping a restless spirit find peace by resolving unfinished business on Earth (this story was also inspired by Ghost Whisperer, which utilized this idea). When I began to think of what spirit to use, I just kept coming back to Christy Jenkins, for the reasons I cited above. Everything just fell into place. Accidentally released from Purgatory, Christy appears to Rex and Hannah and tells them she wants to find Billie. Christy now knows she was misled and wants to put things right with her sister. With Paige's help, R&H do locate Billie, and Christy gets to make things right, before finally being allowed to cross over.

Considering that I didn't even like the Jenkins sisters, some might have been surprised when I wrote that story. However, I felt it just HAD to be written, it was a major loose end from the show that was never really tied up (because, as I have said, it seems they just ran out of time). I feel proud that I gave the character of Christy the resolution she never got on the show.

[ljones]

With better writing, Christy could have been saved.