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Post by sol on Oct 12, 2015 8:28:47 GMT -5
William Thackeray, English novelist of the 19th century, famous for Vanity Fair, The Luck of Barry Lyndon both as well as books, are famous as movies
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Post by erikamarie on Oct 12, 2015 16:26:03 GMT -5
Vanity Fair is a book that I love and I think the same thing, Emily is the perfect wife for a Victorian husband, it's funny that even women of the nineteenth century found her boring
In my opinion, Piper's character changes a lot during the 8 seasons:tender, fit for family harmony, shy, insecure, with the problem of low self-esteem, being a witch doesn't changes Piper
She'll remain the heart of the family for a long time, ready to mediate between the sisters but also ready to accept the feelings of the sisters:she'll accept without hesitation Cole,trusting Phoebe's love
Prue's death stirs up an unexpected change, she seems able to turn in a different woman, imposing, determined, incapable of mediation and empathy: the reaction of a sweet person who is afraid of not being able to fulfill her destiny, to protect her sister
The two sides of the same coin, the warrior Piper and the maternal Piper,a woman who faces with resolution what she has to face even if she'ld rather not have to
I think is brave not who jumps with joy in danger but who would prefer to avoid, but is aware that it's a duty to deal with it
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Post by ljones on Oct 27, 2015 21:14:27 GMT -5
I feel sorry for Piper because family pressure and her unwillingness to ignore it, will never allow her to lead the kind of life she really wants.
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Post by sol on Oct 28, 2015 17:08:44 GMT -5
I feel sorry for Piper because family pressure and her unwillingness to ignore it, will never allow her to lead the kind of life she really wants. Fully agree, she'ld never be able to turn her back to the family to follow her wishes |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Nov 23, 2015 22:55:07 GMT -5
What exactly is Piper's definition of a normal life?
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 24, 2015 4:29:29 GMT -5
Not having to be afraid that someone'ld kidnapp or kill her children
Not having to check that her sisters are really her sisters and not some evil entity or demon
Not having be afraid that a birthday party or a wedding could be ruined
Not having to work mainly to fix furniture, doors, windows
It seems that the ultimate selfishness is to spend a normal day: let your son to kindergarten sure he'll be there, go shopping without an orbing sister that warns you of a deadly threat, have a tea with friends without a Whitelighter from the future that throws you into an alternate reality, take care of your nightclub without finding it overrun by animals, think about your wedding without adding a picture of your sister that escapes with a biker
Piper has always been ready to save innocents, she only dreamed that this could happen without her life was burned out
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Post by yinsoul on Nov 24, 2015 7:22:26 GMT -5
Not having to be afraid that someone'ld kidnapp or kill her children Not having to check that her sisters are really her sisters and not some evil entity or demon Not having be afraid that a birthday party or a wedding could be ruined Not having to work mainly to fix furniture, doors, windows It seems that the ultimate selfishness is to spend a normal day: let your son to kindergarten sure he'll be there, go shopping without an orbing sister that warns you of a deadly threat, have a tea with friends without a Whitelighter from the future that throws you into an alternate reality, take care of your nightclub without finding it overrun by animals, think about your wedding without adding a picture of your sister that escapes with a biker Piper has always been ready to save innocents, she only dreamed that this could happen without her life was burned out Well, if they would just put a spell on the house, that would alleviate a lot of that. Its not even personal gain, just good sense. I mean, Litvack had a spell that kept good entities from teleporting in. Even the witches of the past had that neat doorway that detected evil. I'm sure the Charmed Ones could (and should have) whipped something up to protect the manor- they were certainly stronger than all those people. I don't think its their fault though; I think it was just bad writing to overlook that the most powerful witches of all time didnt know better than to spell where they lived and slept. I always wondered why they didn't- even as far back as Season 3 Daryl warned them about having a security system to protect from mortals. |
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Post by yinsoul on Nov 25, 2015 9:18:36 GMT -5
Now that I consider it further, its pretty easy to believe that living in the show's universe as magical can be seen as being Blessed With Suck, as it were.
In most other magical series- Harry Potter, Witches of East End, Buffy/Angel, The Secret Circle, even the Coven season of American Horror Story- being magical in itself is fairly neutral. You were born with it, and for the most part, the people are happy and proud to be born with it. The trouble tended to come from other people who abused their own abilities and the fallout because of it.
Most of the time the protags were fairly normal. There wasnt any blah about "You Cant Use Your Magic For Personal Gain", a concept I always thought was dumb. Cleaning, teleporting to work, finding out mysteries, turning on lights, all fair game without it blowing up in their face. What did blow up in your face was being careless, or vindictive, or breaking the actual rules that made sense, like "Humans cant find out about us." No one to clean it up for you- you had to deal with it yourself.
They werent some automatic foot soldiers in a war between good and evil just by virtue of being born, like say, the Slayer, and another kettle of fish. If Piper could have had magic and it was treated a bit differently this way, I dont think she would have had a problem with it.
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Post by ljones on Nov 28, 2015 22:02:20 GMT -5
I think Piper simply disliked dealing with the supernatural world period.
Buffy Summers was another who felt the same. She hated being "the Slayer". Even by the end of the series . . . she hated it. But for reasons that still eludes me, she felt that she had no choice but to continue her Slayer duties. Frankly, I felt sorry for her and Piper.
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Post by sol on Dec 1, 2015 16:06:53 GMT -5
I don't think that Piper hated being a witch
She hated to have to deal with extreme situations, not only demons but Elders, Angels of Destiny, witches out of mind
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Post by lilchi7212 on Dec 3, 2015 18:59:07 GMT -5
I don't think that Piper hated being a witch She hated to have to deal with extreme situations, not only demons but Elders, Angels of Destiny, witches out of mind So technically the whole magical community. |
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Post by sol on Dec 4, 2015 1:25:53 GMT -5
I meant that it is one thing to know that demons and warlocks can make your life very hard going, another thing is that even beings that should facilitate your lives of witch can instead complicate it, see the Elders or the second Angel of Destiny that determines Leo's death just because the pain will motivate to fight
Not to mention Billie
Better some demons of some friends
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Post by ljones on Dec 4, 2015 22:37:36 GMT -5
I don't think that Piper hated being a witch She hated to have to deal with extreme situations, not only demons but Elders, Angels of Destiny, witches out of mind I think she hated being a witch. But she hated being vulnerable to other supernatural beings even more. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 12:05:10 GMT -5
Ideally, Piper should've just given up her powers when she had the opportunity and moved on. But, that would've meant the end of the show.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 0:25:23 GMT -5
The Angel Of Destiny made it clear that, had they given up their powers, they would have been left alone by both sides. Piper had the chance for a normal life, but she said no. It's all on her from that point on.
Considering the rubbish we got in the later seasons, too bad the show didn't end with Witch Way Now. The final defeat of the Source at the end of S4 effectively ended the show anyway.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Dec 7, 2015 6:07:40 GMT -5
Considering the rubbish we got in the later seasons, too bad the show didn't end with Witch Way Now. The final defeat of the Source at the end of S4 effectively ended the show anyway. Yes the show would've ended but as Tim said compared to later seasons that would've been a lot better right ending Charmed on a high when the show was about saving innocents and sisterhood still not constant normal life moaning, too powerful offspring, bad writing, flash forward, baby daddy quest or pointless guys like Leslie, Dex and Mr cardboard either although you wouldn't have Henry though I would've preferred that above everything else IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 12:42:50 GMT -5
In my opinion, we'd lose a lot more bad that good, had the show ended at Witch Way Now.
Rose would have been happy, because, as has been said, she only expected this to be a one year thing.
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Post by sol on Dec 9, 2015 0:11:33 GMT -5
I don't think that Piper hated being a witch She hated to have to deal with extreme situations, not only demons but Elders, Angels of Destiny, witches out of mind I think she hated being a witch. But she hated being vulnerable to other supernatural beings even more. I agree with the second part of your post,after Prue's death, the vulnerability of her family became her main concern It's clear as day since Prue's funeral: Piper: No. You were trying to get yourself killed, which is what this family does best is get killed. (She throws the towel onto a counter in frustration and anger.) Isn't it obvious by now that our only destiny is to die? And you are making it way too easy for them, Phoebe. You are just walking right into it! |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 16, 2015 16:40:40 GMT -5
The Angel Of Destiny made it clear that, had they given up their powers, they would have been left alone by both sides. Piper had the chance for a normal life, but she said no. It's all on her from that point on. Considering the rubbish we got in the later seasons, too bad the show didn't end with Witch Way Now. The final defeat of the Source at the end of S4 effectively ended the show anyway. Piper didn't receive the offer because her sisters settled on rejecting it,so she'ld have the responsibility of breaking the Power of Three as well she'ld not even protect her sisters still witches Maybe Piper'ld have preferred a normal life but sh'ld never be able to live this life if Phoebe and Paige chose to remain witches |
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Post by phoebe50 on Feb 24, 2018 17:30:29 GMT -5
Over the course of the series Piper has been the one sister who seeked normalcy and a life without magic the most, which is why a lot of Piper's conflicts were, well, doemstic (family life taking over her plotlines post-Season 4 and her problems balancing her life). However, throughout the series she never actually gets past the problems, which makes the character meander a lot and never develop. Even worse is that it eventually becomes her defining character trait, resulting in Piper's motivations becoming "I fight demons because they disturb me and my children" as opposed to her actual duty to protect innocents. There's also a glaring contradiction in that Piper didn't bind her kids' powers, resulting in unecessary conflicts, like the "Wyatt turning evil" plotline. Did you have similair problems with Piper's character and when do you believe her character started to deteriorate? Piper's view on binding powers fluctuated: in season 2 episode 2, Piper wanted to bind her daughter's powers, but hesitated. In season 4 episode 12 Lost and Bound, Piper and Leo disagreed about binding their future children's powers. She wanted to guide them as well as Tyler to control their powers and Leo wanted to bind their powers. |
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