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Post by erinn on Jun 26, 2015 23:04:00 GMT -5
As far as I know, you aren't supposed to be able to use your powers while you're in an astral projection, so why can Paige use her "TK orbing" while she's in astral mode fighting Zankou in magic school? Aren't they in astral mode there? She uses TK orbing to orb the book to Zankou to distract him while the sisters get away. It's in this youtube video at 0:19 www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy6yF8O4V6s |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 27, 2015 2:10:20 GMT -5
The only reason nobody with astral projection used any other powers beside that beforehand was that you never saw it happen and the fact Prue was the only witch known then to have other powers beside AP.
Mrs Winterborne and Ms Donovan at magic school only had AP although Ms Donovan never had that really but was taught it by the further.
Prue tried using AP with telekinesis S3 in the kitchen after reading a book but couldn't 'cause she wasn't at that level yet but when she was cursed with empathy and her powers were hightened then she very well could've done that then it just never was shown there.
Had she lived post season 4 I think she definately would've been able to do that then especially with the Source and everything been a Charmed One.
Now your right with Paige there she never should've used TKO in astral mode because teaching people how to use other people's powers without a spell, charm or a potion is ridiculous. They are within you and so should not be freely able to be taught or given to anyone else. None of the sisters should've been able to do that same as Ms Donovan shouldn't have from Mrs Winterborne.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 27, 2015 7:11:31 GMT -5
Well, since Piper and Phoebe never should've been able to use astral projection that way (that's part of Prue's power to move things with her mind and for Prue to be able to teach Leo who could teach Piper and Phoebe how to do that was as stupid as Leo teaching Paige how to explode things or Piper how to have premonitions) no rules apply. Paige being able to do it makes sense, since that's her power, too, but Piper and Phoebe truly should be dead, letting Paige and Leo raise the boys - such a better ending - the best way to make sure that Wyatt doesn't turn evil in the future.
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Post by lordumbrex on Sept 6, 2016 18:02:10 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that Prue was capable of casting spells while in astral form? I can't remember a particular instance of this happening and curious if someone could recall one. I just mean for Prue, not Piper/Paige/Phoebe at the end of Season 7.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 6, 2016 20:59:28 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that Prue was capable of casting spells while in astral form? I can't remember a particular instance of this happening and curious if someone could recall one. I just mean for Prue, not Piper/Paige/Phoebe at the end of Season 7. I sure don't remember any such thing - another reason I thought them doing it that way was a horrendous slap in the face to Prue rather than the nod of the head it was supposed to be. |
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Post by Charmed by Piper on Sept 6, 2016 22:49:46 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that Prue was capable of casting spells while in astral form? I can't remember a particular instance of this happening and curious if someone could recall one. I just mean for Prue, not Piper/Paige/Phoebe at the end of Season 7. I sure don't remember any such thing - another reason I thought them doing it that way was a horrendous slap in the face to Prue rather than the nod of the head it was supposed to be. That was beyond brutal to Prue fans. How on earth can the sisters master a power that was suppose to be Prue's. How can Prue teach Leo it. Oh man, those writers have no idea. |
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Post by sol on Sept 7, 2016 3:21:03 GMT -5
It'ld be more rational if the sisters made a spell able to give them that power
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Post by lordumbrex on Sept 10, 2016 0:34:48 GMT -5
Is there any evidence of "rebound" when it comes to Prue's astral form? What I mean by that is if there are any signs or evidence that the damage dealt to Prue's form will show up on her actual body? As in, if she is beat up badly or stabbed, would the injuries show up on Prue's actual body?
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Post by ShadowCat on Sept 10, 2016 2:35:45 GMT -5
Not knowing the answer to this I did some research. If I am understand correctly her astral body can't be harmed. A stalker shot her one time when she was in that state but since it was at her traveling existance she was fine as was the true Prue. In another scene her real body is harmed but the astral form is not. I would lke to think that as time went on she would have learned how to protect her real self while out of her body as that would leave her a sitting duck. I see demons working together to get her to project so they can attack and kill her real form when she has no power to react.
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Post by cyma on Sept 11, 2016 10:31:27 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that Prue was capable of casting spells while in astral form? I can't remember a particular instance of this happening and curious if someone could recall one. I just mean for Prue, not Piper/Paige/Phoebe at the end of Season 7. Yes there is. Prue recited a spell in her astral form to vanquish a demon in 'Ex Libris' episode of season 2. |
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Post by lordumbrex on Sept 11, 2016 22:27:48 GMT -5
Last question, was Prue in astral form ever seen going anywhere besides Earth when she astral projected? In other words, was she seen crossing boundaries like Barbus did when he used the invisible form of astral projection to drive Cole insane?
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Post by cyma on Sept 12, 2016 4:30:57 GMT -5
Last question, was Prue in astral form ever seen going anywhere besides Earth when she astral projected? In other words, was she seen crossing boundaries like Barbus did when he used the invisible form of astral projection to drive Cole insane? While there are no instances where Prue astral projected like Barbas and whispered in someone's ear or left Earth, here are a few instances where Prue appeared to have crossed boundaries: -Prue as a ghost, yelled a warning to Andy which he heard and quickly reacted. -Prue ending up in another plane(ghostly or limbo?) after she was knocked out. There she met a recently dead Andy's ghost. -When Prue was stuck in a different plane in 'Apocalypse Not' episode of season 2 and trying to contact her sisters, there's a high possibility she may have tried her astral projection to escape or at least make contact. And she does make contact rather quickly, not to mention move things too. Something neither Elder Leo nor Piper could do and needed a ghostly Chris to help make contact from another plane in season 6. I think Prue's astral projection allowed her to break the physical plane quickly and if given enough time, she could appear like a full apparition instead of a weird smoky blob. |
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Post by cyma on Sept 12, 2016 5:41:21 GMT -5
As far as I know, you aren't supposed to be able to use your powers while you're in an astral projection, so why can Paige use her "TK orbing" while she's in astral mode fighting Zankou in magic school? Aren't they in astral mode there? She uses TK orbing to orb the book to Zankou to distract him while the sisters get away. It's in this youtube video at 0:19 www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy6yF8O4V6sI guess Zankuo would've figured out he was chasing astral versions of the sisters had Paige not used powers in astral mode. It was also a way to get Zankuo to use up the power stripping potion. While I get this was the reason to use powers in astral mode, how Paige suddenly began using powers in astral mode should've been explained properly rather than Prue showing Leo how to do it and Leo after four long years revealing to the sisters, 'hey guess what? Prue learned to use her TK in astral mode before she died. Yup. But she was really protective of it and only taught me how to do it. And now I'm going to finally show you the secret.' 0.o As far as what we know of Prue, she always showed off and discussed her powers and anything new about them with her sisters. Leo was always a last thought on her mind. So sharing her new discovery with Leo and not her sisters? Unless using powers in astral mode was fatal to the body or something which could eventually kill her from repeated use, don't buy it. The theory of Leo lying about Prue and getting a astral spell from Barbas or another demon or even the Avatars makes more sense. Only Barbas seems to have mastered using his powers in astral mode. And Avatars can amplify other people's powers. So a mortal Leo making some kind of deal in order to help save the sisters' lives makes more sense. And then paying the price for his actions with his soul in next season sounds more intriguing than him having to die because it would motivate Charmed Ones to win the Ultimate Battle. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 12, 2016 13:41:15 GMT -5
Didn't Prue at the end of Primose Empath season 3 make Vincereas feel the world's pain when her astral self went inside him using the priests empathy power she had temporily being the one and only time she used a power in astral mode even though it wasn't her own because the empathy hightened that then or was it just a copy of what her real self felt then? I never knew.
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Post by cyma on Sept 12, 2016 14:05:04 GMT -5
Didn't Prue at the end of Primose Empath season 3 make Vincereas feel the world's pain when her astral self went inside him using the priests empathy power she had temporily being the one and only time she used a power in astral mode even though it wasn't her own because the empathy hightened that then or was it just a copy of what her real self was feeling then? That seemed like a temporary power boost, just like how Phoebe and Paige got in limbo and got their powers amplified in season 4. And Prue shared with her sisters how she destroyed Vincereas instead of secretly telling Leo and teaching him how to TK in astral mode which she still didn't figure out how to do. Not without having empathy. In later episodes, Prue wasn't seen using tk in astral mode, just using normal martial arts. Prue's astral form jumping into demons and killing them from inside also something we never saw again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 16:27:45 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that Prue was capable of casting spells while in astral form? I can't remember a particular instance of this happening and curious if someone could recall one. I just mean for Prue, not Piper/Paige/Phoebe at the end of Season 7. She vanquished the Libris in 'Ex Libris' in astral mode. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 16:34:53 GMT -5
Presumably Paige could use her other powers in astral mode by 'Something Wicca This Way Goes' as she had been a witch for almost 4 years by that point, whereas Prue had only been a witch for nearly 3 years by the time she died. Had Prue lived for another year, she would doubtlessly have achieved the same feat.
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Post by lordumbrex on Oct 19, 2016 17:04:23 GMT -5
Thanks everyone, while I knew the answers to the questions, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were correct and I appreciate the help. The reason I was asking those questions is because, outside of the ability to warp reality, the powers of projection and thought projection, Prue's form of Astral Projection may just be the most powerful ability in the entire show.
Look at the facts: it grants her the ability to conjure an immortal avatar as there is no kickback to her natural form if her astral projected form is injured; she is capable of casting spells in such a state; and she is able to appear anywhere she desires with the ability. If she had an athame on her when she astral projected, she may very well have been able to conjure said athame, granting her the ability to vanquish any demons she desires while having her mortal form safely protected by a crystal cage. She basically could have appeared in the Underworld and had a decent chance of destroying anything and everything in her way.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Oct 20, 2016 2:21:59 GMT -5
I don't think Prue could've conjured up an athame in astral form as that power only allowed her to copy herself meaning her real self would've had to have had that on her firstly however if she'd gained a third a power like Phoebe did manipulating the astral plane say or thought projection instead provided she was alive post season 3 Prue very well could've conjured an athame then.
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Post by lordumbrex on Oct 20, 2016 3:30:25 GMT -5
I don't think Prue could've conjured up an athame in astral form as that power only allowed her to copy herself meaning her real self would've had to have had that on her firstly... Sorry, I might have worded it inarticulately, but that's what I was getting at with this. Edit: And the only reason why I say may very well have been able to instead of absolutely being able to is because. using clothes as an example, we never actually saw her take off her clothes, I don't think, in any episode where she used Astral Projection, not even when she was with TJ. Therefore, the clothes could have been a manifestation of the power, rather than actual tangible clothing, so she couldn't take it off even if she wanted. It could be as if she was a painted barbie doll, where you see clothes there and you very well may be able to feel them due to your mind believing it, but when it comes down to it, there's nothing underneath/really there, if that makes sense. Evidence for being able to conjure an athame WITH her (as in, she is holding it on her person when she astral projects): she potentially can conjure clothes and even change clothing as she went from a pink dress to a denim jumpsuit in Just Harried. Evidence against: she didn't astral project with her cellphone in that one episode with Jack. I don't know, I can see it both ways. |
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