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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 23:58:21 GMT -5
How many out there feel that the S7 episode, the Bare Witch Project, is the most sexist thing you've ever seen. I mean did we really need another naked Phoebe episode? And how about that alternate history where women are ruled by men because Lady Godiva never rode her horse naked. What!?
What surprised me most is that a woman, Jeannine Renshaw, wrote this. I would love to pin her down and say: "Ms. Renshaw, how could you, a woman, write such a blatantly sexist piece of rubbish like this. Just what kind of message are you sending?"
This episode is not only an insult to women, but also an insult the whole history of the Women's Movement. Women today do not enjoy their rights because of some mythical horse ride (yep, Lady Godiva's ride was a myth, it never happened, so it could hardly change history now, right). Rather they enjoy those rights because of women like Susan B. Anthony and others like her who fought for those rights. This episode is an insult to all those women who fought that hard fight.
This is another script that needed to be fed into the nearest paper shredder.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 10:00:30 GMT -5
Amen to that. Even if Godiva did ride, it had flap all to do with women's rights. They even acknowledged that it was about taxes in the episode... but I guess in Charmed-world naked woman = feminism or something. And yeah apparently men really love black and grey. If not for one horse ride, men would be banning all other colours.  Charmed and gender politics just didn't mix, some of the most heinous examples aside from this episode- * She's a Man, Baby, a Man * Battle of the Hexes * Any Grams episode starting from Necromancing the Stone. * Phoebe's accusations against men like Lesley and that DJ guy from 6x01... in fact Phoebe's double standards in general. * Nymphs Just Wanna Have Fun * Less than subtle "PMS = monsters" metaphor (Once In a Blue Moon) * Leo thinks hormones are an excuse because he's just such an insensitive man. Yeah, Leo, the former doctor, doesn't believe in hormones! (Siren Song) * "Relax dude, women dream all the time" you're seriously making out that men don't? (Sand Francisco Dreaming) Basically any time they tried to do what I assume they considered feminism, they'd just make both sexes look really stupid. Charmed is quite "special" in that there are times when the writers somehow manage to pull off misogyny and misandry simultaneously. That's pretty impressive.  I recall in the horrid episode "Battle of the Hexes", at one point Billie picks up this really skimpy piece of clothing or something and says something along the lines of "THIS is the sort of bondage men want us in?!" So perhaps as far as the costumes go, they were actually aware of it and just chose to be total hypocrites anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 11:00:24 GMT -5
Clearly they had no idea about feminism. Would it have killed them to do a little research.
Yeah, that rubbish blue moon episode was another slap in the face to women everywhere. How did these scripts ever get made.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 13:17:30 GMT -5
Yeah, Charmed never did feminism all that well. I found "Bare Witch Project," "Once in a Blue Moon," and "Battle of the Hexes" to all be completely sexist, offensive episodes that should've never even been written, let alone aired. Did Kern & Co. really think that riding around on a horse naked was what feminism was?!? |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Jul 8, 2015 13:28:58 GMT -5
Amen to that. Even if Godiva did ride, it had flap all to do with women's rights. They even acknowledged that it was about taxes in the episode... but I guess in Charmed-world naked woman = feminism or something. And yeah apparently men really love black and grey. If not for one horse ride, men would be banning all other colours. If anyone wanted to know how to take a giant dump all over both women's sense of agency and men's sense of character, both past and present, at the same time? There you go. Speaking of which… Charmed and gender politics just didn't mix, some of the most heinous examples aside from this episode- Oh, boy. Let's go through the list. Probably one of the least offensive on the list, but still falls at the feet of a couple trite stereotypes. Because sending someone flying into a table with a TK punch and being ensnared by magical pheromones is totally a man thing, right? An incubus episode in short order to follow up and make it clear that magical seduction isn't just an "inherent male weakness" but a thing that demonic predators of either sex are willing to use on those with compatible orientations for some sinister gain could've really helped. There's a reason I say in short order about that incubus follow-up, though. Because the early seasons had better quality takes on certain concepts and I would not want to wait until Kern's full transition into The WB's Hatchet Jobber to do it. What I found absolutely ridiculous about this episode was the way that it completely it flew in the face of Billie's characterization in THE LAST FREAKING EPISODE. "The Lost Picture Show", she falls head over heels for a guy from the Fifties who happened to find himself unfrozen in the wrong century but was a genuinely good dude. Then this one comes up and she's taking verbal dumps all over men left right and center, and even falls for a radical feminist demon's claptrap about how guys suck this, men are pigs that, it's time for women to take power (which in and of itself isn't a bad sentiment when it's about opening avenues for equal opportunity, but becomes utterly corrupt when pushed through manisbad rhetoric and/or change just for change's sake). This is a prime example of what made sure Billie didn't get over with people. If you're gonna pick up a comedic actress and bring her into your supernatural drama because you think she can add some youth and fun to the proceedings and potentially get a spinoff out of her, you don't give her character away to petulant whining and gratuitous drama for drama's sake with precious little consistency supporting it!! The one bright spot to the sex-war-induced stupidity and utter discontinuity here is at least the right conclusion was reached—that female "empowerment" pushed through hatred of men isn't true strength at all. Thanks for learning that the hard way, Klea's twin sister. Any Grams episode starting from Necromancing the Stone. What a waste of Jennifer Rhodes' talent she turned out to be in hindsight. Phoebe's accusations against men like Lesley and that DJ guy from 6x01... in fact Phoebe's double standards in general. Started with Cole, sisters were unfair, shut off Phoebe's heart, broken record, yada yada yada…y'know, I just don't feel like repeating myself on that in great detail right now. Less than subtle "PMS = monsters" metaphor (Once In a Blue Moon) What I will always remember about that one is this quote from Elder Odin: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh— *ahem* Sorry. That became grade-A comedy the minute I thought of it in context of the problem with the Charmed Ones' hatred of Cole in seas…oh great, I still can't avoid this. Good Lord. And Odin's line above was already the most memorable thing in the entire episode just because of its snide delivery alone. That itself says something about the episode's quality. Leo thinks hormones are an excuse because he's just such an insensitive man. Yeah, Leo, the former doctor, doesn't believe in hormones! (Siren Song) Not to mention, yet another "man falls prey to magical seduction" episode that in part blames the men. A gender-flip equivalent followup would've been worse in this case, though, considering Kern had just become full-on Hatchet Jobber at the time. Oh yeah, and that Phoebe-Cole conversation at the end? Yet another false goodbye sequence which turned out to do nothing more than furthering the downright ruin of his charac… I STILL CAN'T AVOID THIS!! GOOD GOD!!  "Relax dude, women dream all the time" you're seriously making out that men don't? (Sand Francisco Dreaming) That was more just stupid than sexist, but yeah. Still bad. Basically any time they tried to do what I assume they considered feminism, they'd just make both sexes look really stupid. Charmed is quite "special" in that there are times when the writers somehow manage to pull off misogyny and misandry simultaneously. That's pretty impressive. There you go. That's exactly what it is. Even Lupa caught on pretty quickly to that. I recall in the horrid episode "Battle of the Hexes", at one point Billie picks up this really skimpy piece of clothing or something and says something along the lines of "THIS is the sort of bondage men want us in?!" So perhaps as far as the costumes go, they were actually aware of it and just chose to be total hypocrites anyway. Or they just barely became self-aware by the time of season 8. * remembers that Billie got superpowers AND man-hatred from a bad Wonder Woman wannabe outfit* …okay, nevermind. Still completely garbage except for the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 17:25:58 GMT -5
Apparently, Kaley Couco hated the costume she had to wear in Battle Of The Hexes. I can't blame her, it was horrible, and sexist. That whole episode was rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 20:37:28 GMT -5
Apparently, Kaley Couco hated the costume she had to wear in Battle Of The Hexes. I can't blame her, it was horrible, and sexist. That whole episode was rubbish. And, even worse, the entire purpose of that episode was just more WB-mandated cheap fanservice for the Horny Teenage Boys. However, by Season 8, the leads refused to wear skimpy costumes anymore, so the cleavage-bearing duties were passed onto poor Kaley. To the Frog Network, she was nothing more than fresh meat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 23:20:16 GMT -5
Poor Kaley.
Well, at least she's gone on to bigger and better things.
The WB really didn't have a clue, did they. There is more to a show than skimpy costumes.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 9, 2015 3:42:50 GMT -5
True but they probably thought that'd bring in a lot of male viewers to the show and boost ratings there which it didn't obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 13:00:06 GMT -5
True but they probably thought that'd bring in a lot of male viewers to the show and boost ratings there which it didn't obviously. Yeah, that's the main thing the WB cared about in the later seasons, bringing in more male viewers (read: Horny Teenage Boys). To them, that meant more boobs and action, less character development and quality storytelling. Unfortunately, all they ended up doing was alienating existing fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 0:10:38 GMT -5
And in the end, it didn't help the WB, did it.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jul 14, 2015 9:43:27 GMT -5
Some episodes were only there to make Phoebe or Kaley or anyone seen as sexy as possible, mainly probably to attract some men. But this was obviously more BK's fantasy hour, or to make Phoebe/Alyssa more the star than the others. *sighs*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 11:22:07 GMT -5
I couldn't have said it better myself, Jana.
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Post by yanpo on Jun 7, 2016 15:00:31 GMT -5
This was also my first reaction to this episode, but then I started thinking back. While the episode wasn't entirely upfront as to the reason behind all the sudden oppression, it does imply strongly that it isn't Godiva's walk that began the snowball effect of women's rights over history, but rather the death of the oppressor demon.
When Godiva and the demon were brought forward in time, nothing happened. Everything had stayed the same as if Godiva's disappearance had no impact to history. In wasn't until Godiva was sent back, along with a super powered Oppressor Demon, that history suddenly turned bleak for everyone in general, more so for women (remember that the patriarchy still oppresses men as well, just not as harshly as women). An oppressed world is a banquet for this demon. He had likely become a God among demons in this new world and made certain that oppression was the order of the day everywhere. It wasn't until the demon was vanquished that history was righted again. The show itself says that in the original history, the demon had disappeared during Godiva's ride, and that is when they realized that history needed his death.
It's possible that the demon itself specialized in or was a connoisseur of women's oppression, but he was still able to feed on any kind of oppression.
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Post by imdb lives on on Jun 16, 2017 16:48:11 GMT -5
I think the worst offense was Phoebe marrying Leslie. In this world she still met him and things were the same yet oppressed. They could've done alot with it. Another main problem is Phoebe taking the tide to allow her sister to breastfeed. It was hilarious how overreacted it was. He wants women barefoot and pregnant all because she can't breastfeed outside. Customers complained and yet he was bad, lol.
The blue moon made no sense as all women go through it, but no mention of other witches doing so and no explanation of why it was happening.
It seemed Billie putting on the belt would've fit more into the shop's mythology. A demi God being killed leading to oppression worked better. Billie feeling a war was needed between the sexes over a comment a classmate remark was extreme.
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