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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 1:37:29 GMT -5
Why did the series tell us that there is no way to change the past if it was okay for Chris to do so. So it's not okay for Prue to travel back in time, pretend she's a witch from the future that needs to be trained by Grams, and then stop her mom Patty from getting killed by the water demon but it's okay for Chris to travel back in time, have sex with charges, kill or displace neutral beings like Leo or that Valkyrie, and change his mother's death since she was originally supposed to die when he was 14 years old. I look at this the same way I look at personal gain. The writers stressed so much multiple times about personal gain being against the rules but would totally ignore those rules when it's convenient. They told us you couldn't change the past in that 70's episode, the ep where Paige witnessed what happened during her parent's car accident, and the ep where Kyle Brody got to see who really killed his parents.
Why can Chris, the son who isn't twice blessed, able to change his whole future but the Charmed Ones, THE MOST POWERFUL WITCHES THE WORLD WILL EVER KNOW, are constantly told to just deal with what happened because you can't change it.
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Post by adzpower on Sept 5, 2015 7:25:29 GMT -5
Well there are a few good reasons tbh.
First of all Chris was first and foremost, a desperate man, his family was dead, his brother turned evil and he had no one he could trust except a phoenix witch, he knew his future was wrong and evil and had no other way to change except to go back to the past and fix whatever caused his dystopian world. Not to mention Chris as a single witch was probably more powerful than The Charmed Ones of 2003/2004, at that point they had only been witches 5/6 years, Chris had been one his whole life, presumably trained in his powers by his family until they died. So he probably had more knowledge on the topic anyway, at that point in his time I suppose he figured "what else have I got to lose?" kinda thing.
If The Charmed Ones were really all that powerful then they shouldn't have died in his future because their level of expertise at that point should have been complete mastery over their magic.
He had to pull all those stunts and tell all those lies because as he said he didn't want the future to change in ways that didn't fit what he wanted to shape it into.
And I'm pretty sure he in fact did pay the price for his personal gain, what greater price is there than dying?
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 5, 2015 7:33:33 GMT -5
Why did the series tell us that there is no way to change the past if it was okay for Chris to do so. So it's not okay for Prue to travel back in time, pretend she's a witch from the future that needs to be trained by Grams, and then stop her mom Patty from getting killed by the water demon but it's okay for Chris to travel back in time, have sex with charges, kill or displace neutral beings like Leo or that Valkyrie, and change his mother's death since she was originally supposed to die when he was 14 years old. I look at this the same way I look at personal gain. The writers stressed so much multiple times about personal gain being against the rules but would totally ignore those rules when it's convenient. They told us you couldn't change the past in that 70's episode, the ep where Paige witnessed what happened during her parent's car accident, and the ep where Kyle Brody got to see who really killed his parents. Why can Chris, the son who isn't twice blessed, able to change his whole future but the Charmed Ones, THE MOST POWERFUL WITCHES THE WORLD WILL EVER KNOW, are constantly told to just deal with what happened because you can't change it. My explanation for that - because S4-8 is an alternate universe spin-off called "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper" aka "PhoeME and Her Fantasy Men" aka "One Living Whitelighter Plus Two Witches Equals the Power of Three?" where the only thing that's the same are the names. The Charmed Ones are *not* the most powerful witches the world will ever know in that spin-off - anything but. In that spin-off, you're much more powerful if you're half-whitelighter than if you're Charmed, and Chris was half-whitelighter so he could do something his mother and aunts couldn't. Because I agree totally. No way he should've been allowed to change the past that much - just like Piper shouldn't have been able to in "Forever Crap", I mean "Forever Piper", I mean "Forever Charmed". |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 5, 2015 7:36:16 GMT -5
Well there are a few good reasons tbh. First of all Chris was first and foremost, a desperate man, his family was dead, his brother turned evil and he had no one he could trust except a phoenix witch, he knew his future was wrong and evil and had no other way to change except to go back to the past and fix whatever caused his dystopian world. Not to mention Chris as a single witch was probably more powerful than The Charmed Ones of 2003/2004, at that point they had only been witches 5/6 years, Chris had been one his whole life, presumably trained in his powers by his family until they died. So he probably had more knowledge on the topic anyway, at that point in his time I suppose he figured "what else have I got to lose?" kinda thing. If The Charmed Ones were really all that powerful then they shouldn't have died in his future because their level of expertise at that point should have been complete mastery over their magic. He had to pull all those stunts and tell all those lies because as he said he didn't want the future to change in ways that didn't fit what he wanted to shape it into. And I'm pretty sure he in fact did pay the price for his personal gain, what greater price is there than dying? Despite being desperate, just like Prue and Phoebe were desperate to save Patty, no way he should've been allowed to do that. He should've paid a lot more than dying - he should've set up a much, much worse future for his family after screwing up the lives of every single person he met for more than a year! Had he only been there a few days or weeks at the most, as would've happened had Drew Fuller only remained for eight episodes like he was originally supposed to, I'd agree with all of that. But once Holly Marie Combs announced she was pregnant and they changed it so he stayed for the entire season including Chris' birth - no, no way the Angel of Destiny should've allowed someone to screw it up that much. |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Sept 5, 2015 9:38:11 GMT -5
Why did the series tell us that there is no way to change the past if it was okay for Chris to do so. So it's not okay for Prue to travel back in time, pretend she's a witch from the future that needs to be trained by Grams, and then stop her mom Patty from getting killed by the water demon but it's okay for Chris to travel back in time, have sex with charges, kill or displace neutral beings like Leo or that Valkyrie, and change his mother's death since she was originally supposed to die when he was 14 years old. I look at this the same way I look at personal gain. The writers stressed so much multiple times about personal gain being against the rules but would totally ignore those rules when it's convenient. They told us you couldn't change the past in that 70's episode, the ep where Paige witnessed what happened during her parent's car accident, and the ep where Kyle Brody got to see who really killed his parents. Why can Chris, the son who isn't twice blessed, able to change his whole future but the Charmed Ones, THE MOST POWERFUL WITCHES THE WORLD WILL EVER KNOW, are constantly told to just deal with what happened because you can't change it. Probably exceptions to this rule. |
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Post by adzpower on Sept 5, 2015 9:47:50 GMT -5
Well there are a few good reasons tbh. First of all Chris was first and foremost, a desperate man, his family was dead, his brother turned evil and he had no one he could trust except a phoenix witch, he knew his future was wrong and evil and had no other way to change except to go back to the past and fix whatever caused his dystopian world. Not to mention Chris as a single witch was probably more powerful than The Charmed Ones of 2003/2004, at that point they had only been witches 5/6 years, Chris had been one his whole life, presumably trained in his powers by his family until they died. So he probably had more knowledge on the topic anyway, at that point in his time I suppose he figured "what else have I got to lose?" kinda thing. If The Charmed Ones were really all that powerful then they shouldn't have died in his future because their level of expertise at that point should have been complete mastery over their magic. He had to pull all those stunts and tell all those lies because as he said he didn't want the future to change in ways that didn't fit what he wanted to shape it into. And I'm pretty sure he in fact did pay the price for his personal gain, what greater price is there than dying? Despite being desperate, just like Prue and Phoebe were desperate to save Patty, no way he should've been allowed to do that. He should've paid a lot more than dying - he should've set up a much, much worse future for his family after screwing up the lives of every single person he met for more than a year! Had he only been there a few days or weeks at the most, as would've happened had Drew Fuller only remained for eight episodes like he was originally supposed to, I'd agree with all of that. But once Holly Marie Combs announced she was pregnant and they changed it so he stayed for the entire season including Chris' birth - no, no way the Angel of Destiny should've allowed someone to screw it up that much. Perhaps the Angel of Destiny was on his side? Maybe the Angel saw that his dark future should not have come to pass and provided Chris with the means to travel back, Chris was a strong witch as most in his family are, but I always found it rather ridiculous that by himself he had the power to cast a spell that would take him back 20 years, considering in season one it took the Power of 3 to do so. I had always thought that maybe an outside source either the elders or maybe the Angels of Destiny gave his spell the power it needed to let him go back in time and change the dark future. Or at least alter it so it was salvageable. All the sisters would have been desperate to save Patty, but in order for destiny to run its course I'm guessing she needed to stay dead. Of course this is all just theory as with a lot of story-lines in Charmed we, the fans are left to guess what should have or could have happened thanks to a certain executive producer who seemed to be just as in the dark as we are. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 5, 2015 10:56:31 GMT -5
Despite being desperate, just like Prue and Phoebe were desperate to save Patty, no way he should've been allowed to do that. He should've paid a lot more than dying - he should've set up a much, much worse future for his family after screwing up the lives of every single person he met for more than a year! Had he only been there a few days or weeks at the most, as would've happened had Drew Fuller only remained for eight episodes like he was originally supposed to, I'd agree with all of that. But once Holly Marie Combs announced she was pregnant and they changed it so he stayed for the entire season including Chris' birth - no, no way the Angel of Destiny should've allowed someone to screw it up that much. Perhaps the Angel of Destiny was on his side? Maybe the Angel saw that his dark future should not have come to pass and provided Chris with the means to travel back, Chris was a strong witch as most in his family are, but I always found it rather ridiculous that by himself he had the power to cast a spell that would take him back 20 years, considering in season one it took the Power of 3 to do so. I had always thought that maybe an outside source either the elders or maybe the Angels of Destiny gave his spell the power it needed to let him go back in time and change the dark future. Or at least alter it so it was salvageable. All the sisters would have been desperate to save Patty, but in order for destiny to run its course I'm guessing she needed to stay dead. Of course this is all just theory as with a lot of story-lines in Charmed we, the fans are left to guess what should have or could have happened thanks to a certain executive producer who seemed to be just as in the dark as we are. I'd hate to think that the Angels of Destiny would take sides...that would make them as human as Kern made the demonic Elders. But then again, if Chris had come back once and screwed up the future (see my "The True Cause Behind it All") with him being the true reason why Wyatt turned evil, then I can see them letting him go back again so he could fix all of his messes. But that's the only thing that would make it make sense to me, all part of why that's my least-favorite season, all thanks to that executive producer who wanted us to forget that the first two seasons ever happened.. Thank God there's such things as DVD so that that will never happen. |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Sept 6, 2015 6:40:18 GMT -5
Chris's future had already changed before the new plot started in S6. He'd said that the Titans had ruled his world before when he stepped in in S5. And suddenly Wyatt was the new evil ruler? Had I missed anything? That always bothered me when S5 and S6 come up again, especially since Chris hadn't been in the future again. Why had the ruler changed then?
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Post by lilchi7212 on Sept 11, 2015 10:03:31 GMT -5
Chris's future had already changed before the new plot started in S6. He'd said that the Titans had ruled his world before when he stepped in in S5. And suddenly Wyatt was the new evil ruler? Had I missed anything? That always bothered me when S5 and S6 come up again, especially since Chris hadn't been in the future again. Why had the ruler changed then? More than likely that the whole titan thing was a lie to them to make them trust him. |
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Post by erikamarie on Sept 17, 2015 15:40:34 GMT -5
I think that nobody allowed Chris to jump in the past: he was alone and he opeted for a frantic action
Over to Chris:that was supposed to be more like a surgical strike (Chris Crossed)
Regarding the Titans, it was a great, smart tall tale
Bianca: Don't tell them anything. Just stick to your cover story. The less they know about the future, the better.
Chris: But what if they find out who I really am?
Bianca: They won't. Not as long as you can pass yourself off as their Whitelighter.
The cover story was the lie about the attack of Titans
Leo: Why didn't you tell me? Why did you let this happen!
Chris: Because this had to happen. It had to happen so you could do what has to be done.
Chris:You can still defeat the Titans.
Leo: How?
Chris: I think you know how.
Leo: It's too dangerous. The Elders forbid it.
Chris: True. But then again, the Elders aren't around to stop you now, are they? That's right, Leo. This is what it's all about. This is why they had to die so you could do something they'd never do. To save a future for your family, for your son. (Oh My Goddness)
Chris changed nothing, he used his knowledge of what happened to take credit and to become the sisters's whitelighter
In the original future, Phoebe defended Paige as Chris did, Leo resolved alone to do goddness powers to the sister and became an Elder, an Elder too busy to raise his boys
Leo never imagined who was Wyatt's kidnapper and never mistrusted the other Elders so the Avatar never took the opportunity to recruit Leo..but this is another story
I liked that it wasn't a demon to endanger Wyatt but a trusted person, very often we don't look out at how may be easy to deeply disturb a child
Chris was young, he never would be able even to imagine his powerfull big brother traumatized by a family friend
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