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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 12:30:28 GMT -5
I am using BtVS jargon here because there isn't a direct Charmed equivalent, but do you think it's odd that San Fran seems to be such a hive of demonic activity in the series? Could it have been on top of a portal to the Underworld? A Charmed-esque Hellmouth? Yes, you could argue that the sisters are something of a magnet for Evil, so wherever they go Evil goes, but even when demons/warlocks weren't hunting down the sisters directly, there still seemed to be a lot happening generally. And I don't just mean the everyday, run-of-the-mill foes, but fairly significant enemies. I could understand that more if they lived somewhere massive like LA or NYC, but isn't SF a relatively average size for city? Here's a few examples of what I mean: - Hecate, the original 'Queen of the Underworld', infiltrates one of the city's most powerful families.
- The 'Future Warlock' comes to kill significant future scientists from San Francisco who will develop an anti-warlock vaccine.
- Barbas, the famed Demon of Fear, was known to SF resident Patty Halliwell and returned there after being banished for 1300 years.
- The Rowe Coven supposedly the 'Evil Charmed Ones' and live in San Francisco.
- Tuatha was entombed in/near the city and the boy destined to vanquish her, Kyle, is from there.
- The Four Horsemen and the Brotherhood appeared to operate from the city.
And also, I never understood how when they scried for demons in the Underworld? The demon they were looking for always seemed to be directly below a place in San Francisco.
Obviously the writers never planned it to appear this way, but I think it could make for an interesting discussion.
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 12, 2015 15:18:33 GMT -5
According to occultists, San Francisco form a magic triangle, black magic, with London and Turin
Turin is a frontier town, the only one part of the triangle of white magic, with Lion and Prague, and that of black magic
Maybe San Francisco, with the Nexus,could be the Hellmouth
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Post by sol on Nov 13, 2015 3:47:35 GMT -5
I always thought that Prague, the city of dr. Faust, of the golem where Dr. Meier sought immortality of the soul within dead bodies, would be a black magic center!
I know that Parallel 45, where there is Turin,is a perfect line of balance, I'ld never imagine that it contained a point of origin of magic triangles!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 17:38:50 GMT -5
It's best they avoided the issue. Charmed was already too much in the shadow of Buffy. I think they should have moved Charmed to another state, since Buffy took place in California.
I mean did the San Francisco setting really have that big an impact on Charmed? They could have set the show in Boise, Idaho, and it would have been pretty much the same, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 21:20:38 GMT -5
It's best they avoided the issue. Charmed was already too much in the shadow of Buffy. I think they should have moved Charmed to another state, since Buffy took place in California. I mean did the San Francisco setting really have that big an impact on Charmed? They could have set the show in Boise, Idaho, and it would have been pretty much the same, IMO. Yeah, agreed. Of course I would never want them to come up with anything directly similar to BtVS' Hellmouth concept, but perhaps they could've worked something in such as the Nexus being a natural magnet for magical activity? Interesting that you mention the show's setting because that is another thing I was pondering - what if the show had been in a more rural place such as Idaho? I'm not really sure why the show was moved from Boston to San Francisco (LA would've made better sense) but I think somewhere that was a bit out-of-the-way could've been more interesting (i.e. contributed to the sisters' feelings of being alone/isolated from normal life). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 21:22:44 GMT -5
According to occultists, San Francisco form a magic triangle, black magic, with London and Turin Turin is a frontier town, the only one part of the triangle of white magic, with Lion and Prague, and that of black magic Maybe San Francisco, with the Nexus,could be the Hellmouth I always thought that Prague, the city of dr. Faust, of the golem where Dr. Meier sought immortality of the soul within dead bodies, would be a black magic center! I know that Parallel 45, where there is Turin,is a perfect line of balance, I'ld never imagine that it contained a point of origin of magic triangles! I didn't even know any of this. I did wonder if SF had some sort of reputation as a spooky or rough/badass city or something (like New Orleans), especially because they sisters' occasionally made reference to it being full of weird people/crime, but as I'm not American I was never sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 0:25:38 GMT -5
From what I saw, Charmed could have been set in any U.S. city, and you would basically have the same show.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 12:33:33 GMT -5
From what I saw, Charmed could have been set in any U.S. city, and you would basically have the same show. How about a small town setting? Where they would have to explain the constant demonic activity in such a small place. |
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Post by Astral Vision on Nov 15, 2015 12:51:32 GMT -5
San Fran (in the Charmedverse) is a bit more like Tokyo in the Sailor Moon universe in the way that all the demons and warlocks seem to get on with their evil plans in San Fran, even though the Charmed Ones live nearby.
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Post by sol on Nov 16, 2015 10:33:50 GMT -5
According to occultists, San Francisco form a magic triangle, black magic, with London and Turin Turin is a frontier town, the only one part of the triangle of white magic, with Lion and Prague, and that of black magic Maybe San Francisco, with the Nexus,could be the Hellmouth I always thought that Prague, the city of dr. Faust, of the golem where Dr. Meier sought immortality of the soul within dead bodies, would be a black magic center! I know that Parallel 45, where there is Turin,is a perfect line of balance, I'ld never imagine that it contained a point of origin of magic triangles! I didn't even know any of this. I did wonder if SF had some sort of reputation as a spooky or rough/badass city or something (like New Orleans), especially because they sisters' occasionally made reference to it being full of weird people/crime, but as I'm not American I was never sure. When I went to Prague, a wonderful place, I learned a lot about the magic cities! San Francisco is a place of black magic, in Charmed worked Robert Masello, a great expert in mythology, who knew legends and popular belief After all, where is underworld and how it works? Maybe Underworld does not have a particular geographic location but is a place like Up There |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 12:01:35 GMT -5
I didn't even know any of this. I did wonder if SF had some sort of reputation as a spooky or rough/badass city or something (like New Orleans), especially because they sisters' occasionally made reference to it being full of weird people/crime, but as I'm not American I was never sure. When I went to Prague, a wonderful place, I learned a lot about the magic cities! San Francisco is a place of black magic, in Charmed worked Robert Masello, a great expert in mythology, who knew legends and popular belief After all, where is underworld and how it works? Maybe Underworld does not have a particular geographic location but is a place like Up There I'm not really sure. Sometimes they seemed to scry on a map of Earth (obviously) and yet the person they were looking for was in the Underworld, so does that suggest that the Underworld is directly below the Earth? It would make sense for it to be another plane/dimension though, like Up There is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 12:02:45 GMT -5
San Fran (in the Charmedverse) is a bit more like Tokyo in the Sailor Moon universe in the way that all the demons and warlocks seem to get on with their evil plans in San Fran, even though the Charmed Ones live nearby. Probably, it just seems to have an inordinate amount of demonic activity, which makes me think it is a magical magnet. |
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Post by sol on Nov 18, 2015 10:09:16 GMT -5
Maybe we can think of the String Theory which theorizes that our three-dimensional space may be immersed in a hyperspace of 11 dimensions
In this case, the point revealed on San Francisco map could warn where in the city you'ld get in touch with dark caves of Underworld
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 18, 2015 14:05:46 GMT -5
Maybe we can think of the String Theory which theorizes that our three-dimensional space may be immersed in a hyperspace of 11 dimensions In this case, the point revealed on San Francisco map could warn where in the city you'ld get in touch with dark caves of Underworld Ooh Sheldon would have a field day with this if it were ever proven to be true. |
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