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Post by goldeneye049 on Jun 28, 2020 16:02:39 GMT -5
Brad Kern made piper bitter and rude. Phoebe useless just the sex symbol. Paige, a little silly, Rose said she was "tired and defeated". I think Shannen was an enemy of Brad Kern who worked hard and well. She is the only one who managed to make me shed a tear for her acting.
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Post by ryang on Jun 30, 2020 18:09:47 GMT -5
During season 3, fans really disliked a lot of the Prue-focused episodes (e.g., Piper's wedding episode was about Prue). If Shannen stayed on, I think it would have continued and fans wouldn't have been happy then either. I suppose Paige's "sensing evil" in Size Matters would have been a good replacement for premonitions - if it was worked out in a more systematic way.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 30, 2020 20:02:14 GMT -5
In S3, Kern had Prue on her way to becoming Poor, Poor Pitiful Prue - his idea of what the oldest should be like (as an Oldest, I'm insulted!) Had KERN been fired rather than Prue, which could've resulted in Milano quitting and McGowan joining, we might have had a much better set of Charmed Ones.
Had Milano quit, I think Paige would've gotten a "whitelighter-influenced" version of premonitions - like her orbing into the future and actually being there. With Prue still having her TK, there would be no need for Paige to have a "whitelighter-influenced" version. Had that been her ONLY whitelighter power, then it also would've been a much better show - it would still be "Charmed" and not "Witchlighter" where having a whitelighter for a father was more important than having a Warren for a mother.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 16:48:32 GMT -5
I honestly started watching for Shannen, I had a BIG crush on her since her 90201 days 😍, but I continued to watch for Phoebe and Cole (go ahead judge me LOL).
Back to the question. Yeah I think it could have worked, one of the few things the show did right was Paige's introduction. It's always hard to replace a lead character and I do think they pulled it off.
That said, I'm sure if Alyssa had left they would have managed to ruin another character. Probably Piper.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jul 1, 2020 17:32:32 GMT -5
They were LUCKY they did Patty/Sam in S4. That's the only way Paige's introduction made sense. If they had come in and said Patty had a mystery child without that backstory, it wouldn't have worked as well.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 1, 2020 17:41:11 GMT -5
They were LUCKY they did Patty/Sam in S4. That's the only way Paige's introduction made sense. If they had come in and said Patty had a mystery child without that backstory, it wouldn't have worked as well. And I count them as UNLUCKY. Had they not done that, Paige never would've been introduced and having a whitelighter for a father wouldn't have become more important than having a Warren for a mother. We might have gotten the series that you've suggested, AW - 2 witches, 1 half-demon and 1 whitelighter saving innocents with the Source not caring less about them since without the Power of Three, they can't vanquish him. I still think that would've been a lot better than what we got. |
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Post by Katie Warren on Jul 2, 2020 0:22:42 GMT -5
They were LUCKY they did Patty/Sam in S4. That's the only way Paige's introduction made sense. If they had come in and said Patty had a mystery child without that backstory, it wouldn't have worked as well. And I count them as UNLUCKY. Had they not done that, Paige never would've been introduced and having a whitelighter for a father wouldn't have become more important than having a Warren for a mother. We might have gotten the series that you've suggested, AW - 2 witches, 1 half-demon and 1 whitelighter saving innocents with the Source not caring less about them since without the Power of Three, they can't vanquish him. I still think that would've been a lot better than what we got. I like that SO much more, because it means, they can't make us or the sisters forget Prue, without a new sister forced on us right away. But, when you think of S5-S8, how many times really did they use a power of three spell, when half the time Piper blows up demons or they use a potion. The Power of Three as a unit was hardly important to the show and plots (like it was in the earlier seasons), they could have just as easily continued on without a new sister, and without the Source caring about them. I mean Gideon was a big bad in S6, and was killed by Leo, S5 had no real big bad, outside of Cole in the first half, and he was finally vanquished with a potion. So we'd just have no Source or Zankou. I think the show could have survived just fine another year with just 2 witches, 1 half-demon and 1 whitelighter saving innocents. Maybe they should have introduced Paige later, say in the second half of S4 or S5. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 2, 2020 4:03:31 GMT -5
If Paige had been introduced season 5 yes it would've given fans the chance to mourn Prue with the new sister coming in more accepted though some people could say Piper and Phoebe mourning her that long wouldn't have been good although grief works differently the same with certain person's reckoning Paige moving in the manor when she did was too early with others saying it's not because Piper and Phoebe had to move on some point then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:10:21 GMT -5
They were LUCKY they did Patty/Sam in S4. That's the only way Paige's introduction made sense. If they had come in and said Patty had a mystery child without that backstory, it wouldn't have worked as well. Tbh even with that it didn't make sense to me that Patty and Grams were so afraid of the Elders that they felt they had to hide a CHILD from them. I don't think the lack of Patty/Sam would have stopped the writers from creating a new sister, but maybe she wouldn't have been half-whitelighter? I do wonder if they would have just re-cast Prue. |
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Post by Elle Em on Jul 2, 2020 10:59:46 GMT -5
They were LUCKY they did Patty/Sam in S4. That's the only way Paige's introduction made sense. If they had come in and said Patty had a mystery child without that backstory, it wouldn't have worked as well. Tbh even with that it didn't make sense to me that Patty and Grams were so afraid of the Elders that they felt they had to hide a CHILD from them. I don't think the lack of Patty/Sam would have stopped the writers from creating a new sister, but maybe she wouldn't have been half-whitelighter? I do wonder if they would have just re-cast Prue. I also wonder what the elders would have done if they knew about Paige. Would they have taken her away? Or even killed her? Patty and Penny seemed quite afraid of what they might do, enough to give Paige up permanently. It makes it seem like they feared for her life. If they had to introduce another sister and didn't have the backstory of Patty and Sam, I'd like if she were another full sister, the fourth child of Patty and Victor. Maybe right around the time she was born, Victor would find out his oldest three daughters' destiny, and know that they'd one day be in a lot of danger. Maybe he felt like he couldn't do anything to stop it or keep them safe, but he could keep his youngest daughter from being involved with all that. Maybe he managed to convince Patty and Penny to let him have full custody of Paige and move her away for her safety, hence why he wasn't present in his older daughters' lives when he didn't seem like the type of person to just leave for no reason. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jul 2, 2020 11:50:01 GMT -5
OHHHHHHHHH. Elle. I like that idea of Victor taking her away. And maybe because of the "Charmed" destiny of three, it "worked" for Grams and Patty? This definitely would be fun to explore.
I'm so 10000000% against recasting. Pass.
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Post by Elle Em on Jul 2, 2020 15:43:52 GMT -5
Yeah, recasting wouldn't work for me either. Not only is Shannon too talented for anyone to step into a role of hers like that, but it would be too much dissonance between her and another woman's physical appearance to keep up the illusion that these are actual characters.
As for Paige being Victor's daughter, I think it could work because as we saw from season 3 onward, Victor just didn't seem like the kind of dad to abandon his kids. I think in the show they just implied that he couldn't handle ideas of magic and that he fought with Penny, but really, is that a reason to just not be in your kids' lives? Even if he knew Penny should be the one to raise them, and if the two of them didn't get along, why not get an apartment nearby and have the girls come stay with him on the weekends or something?
I know they had to have them have a broken family so the story would work better, but with who Victor turned out to be, it makes much more sense to have an actual reason why Victor was gone, that reason being Paige. It works timing-wise as well, because when he made his first appearance in their lives, Paige would have been about 20 or 21, old enough to have moved away for college and not notice his absence. Maybe Victor even thought it would be dangerous for him to return to visit his three older daughters and wanted to wait until Paige was a legal adult and doing well enough for herself that if he got caught in a magical situation back in San Francisco, she'd technically be okay without him.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 2, 2020 20:10:14 GMT -5
Tbh even with that it didn't make sense to me that Patty and Grams were so afraid of the Elders that they felt they had to hide a CHILD from them. I don't think the lack of Patty/Sam would have stopped the writers from creating a new sister, but maybe she wouldn't have been half-whitelighter? I do wonder if they would have just re-cast Prue. I also wonder what the elders would have done if they knew about Paige. Would they have taken her away? Or even killed her? Patty and Penny seemed quite afraid of what they might do, enough to give Paige up permanently. It makes it seem like they feared for her life. If they had to introduce another sister and didn't have the backstory of Patty and Sam, I'd like if she were another full sister, the fourth child of Patty and Victor. Maybe right around the time she was born, Victor would find out his oldest three daughters' destiny, and know that they'd one day be in a lot of danger. Maybe he felt like he couldn't do anything to stop it or keep them safe, but he could keep his youngest daughter from being involved with all that. Maybe he managed to convince Patty and Penny to let him have full custody of Paige and move her away for her safety, hence why he wasn't present in his older daughters' lives when he didn't seem like the type of person to just leave for no reason. I like your ideas, Elle Em, but I'd add something to it. Maybe Victor would find out that since each of the older three had one of Melinda Warren's three powers, Patience (I'll call her that so you won't mix her up with half-whitelighter Paige) wouldn't have *any* powers, so afraid that Evil would use her as bait, that's why Victor got full custody and neither Penny or Patty told the other girls anything about her. Then when Prue dies, Piper would find herself with Prue's original power (no astral projection...), Phoebe would finally get an active power by getting Piper's original power (no explosions...) while Patience would find herself with Phoebe's original power (no levitation or empathy...). You'd have ALL THREE having to get used to using different powers, making it fresh and new without screwing up the mythology. I'd still prefer it with no extra sister, but if you had to have an extra, I'd also prefer her being Victor's daughter, so having a whitelighter for a father wouldn't be more important than having a Warren for a mother. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 27, 2021 11:21:13 GMT -5
I would've loved a "no Phoebe" dynamic. She was quite awful, in a lot of the later seasons. I don't mind "whiny" nor "bitter" / "pitiful" Piper. Does depend on the episode, though. IDC for her S8 fights with Leo. I only like their body switch one because the actors are convincing in their body switch LOL
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Post by Assassin Witch on Aug 27, 2021 13:56:00 GMT -5
Oh, now I'm picturing no Phoebe, no Paige, and still having a body swap episode. But it's Cole and Leo who swap. #awkward
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