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Post by val1993 on Nov 28, 2015 10:42:43 GMT -5
Constance Burge from TV Zone, speaking about Andy's relationship with Prue, and what ultimately led to the character being written out:
"It was a difficult line to walk because if he knew who they were, then the show would be about him bringing cases to them. We didn't want them solving cases. At the same time, it was important to us that one of the lead male characters on the show be strong and solve cases on his own, which was difficult when we had what was a supernatural show. It would be impossible for him to solve supernatural cases at the same time we had the women solving them, but he had to be aware of things so that he wouldn't look like he didn't know what was going on. It was a difficult decision (to kill him off) but a necessary one."
Guys, do we have any interviews with Constance Burge where she speaks about her departure from the show?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 12:27:47 GMT -5
Not that I know of.
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Post by ljones on Nov 28, 2015 22:07:09 GMT -5
Constance Burge from TV Zone, speaking about Andy's relationship with Prue, and what ultimately led to the character being written out: "It was a difficult line to walk because if he knew who they were, then the show would be about him bringing cases to them. We didn't want them solving cases. At the same time, it was important to us that one of the lead male characters on the show be strong and solve cases on his own, which was difficult when we had what was a supernatural show. It would be impossible for him to solve supernatural cases at the same time we had the women solving them, but he had to be aware of things so that he wouldn't look like he didn't know what was going on. It was a difficult decision (to kill him off) but a necessary one." Guys, do we have any interviews with Constance Burge where she speaks about her departure from the show? It wasn't necessary to kill off Andy. If that was her reason, why keep Darryl Morris on the show? I think my opinion of Burge had dropped several points. |
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Post by West on Nov 28, 2015 22:26:10 GMT -5
I thought the actor wanted to leave. Plus Shannen found the relationship awarkward when asked at a convention about why Andy left. Maybe Ted never wanted to leave.
I'm not sure what to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 15:51:27 GMT -5
Translated: We were too lazy to think of new and interesting ways to incorporate Andy into the sisters' lives so we just got rid of him.
You could apply that ridiculous logic to virtually every character outside of the Charmed Circle, particularly Leo (the sisters' cosmic taxi who hindered potentially new ways of finding/protecting Innocents); Cole (his 'demonic know-how' ensured he did most of the work when it came to battling the Source and his inner circle); Chris/Wyatt (completely pulling focus and character development from the sisters) and even Billie (basically doing the sisters' job for them).
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Post by ljones on Dec 4, 2015 22:13:36 GMT -5
Translated: We were too lazy to think of new and interesting ways to incorporate Andy into the sisters' lives so we just got rid of him. You could apply that ridiculous logic to virtually every character outside of the Charmed Circle, particularly Leo (the sisters' cosmic taxi who hindered potentially new ways of finding/protecting Innocents); Cole (his 'demonic know-how' ensured he did most of the work when it came to battling the Source and his inner circle); Chris/Wyatt (completely pulling focus and character development from the sisters) and even Billie (basically doing the sisters' job for them). Of course, I do agree with you. |
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Post by West on Dec 4, 2015 22:29:15 GMT -5
Translated: We were too lazy to think of new and interesting ways to incorporate Andy into the sisters' lives so we just got rid of him. You could apply that ridiculous logic to virtually every character outside of the Charmed Circle, particularly Leo (the sisters' cosmic taxi who hindered potentially new ways of finding/protecting Innocents); Cole (his 'demonic know-how' ensured he did most of the work when it came to battling the Source and his inner circle); Chris/Wyatt (completely pulling focus and character development from the sisters) and even Billie (basically doing the sisters' job for them). Agreed, at least Andy wasn't magical or had powers. He would of added a great balance to the show, in addition to having known the charmed ones since children. I'd much prefer him sticking around, although we got Daryl in that role later. Andy at least it would add a more personal level, since Daryl they only became friends with after Andy died. Thats why I love season 1, because I never thought Andy stole attention away from the sisters. Like Leo and Cole did after when they became regulars. It felt more balanced with just the sisters, Andy and Daryl. Plus a mortal love interest I liked. Because it made me relate to Andy more, as a viewer. And the sisters with magical or non human love interests just never worked. Thank god Paige got Henry. Sure if the charmed ones fall in love with a witch, they can relate to them and feel accepted. But you run into the problem where they become a Leo or a Cole and end up helping and doing the job themselves. Why If Andy stayed, It would of worked better for the show, not that it stops Kern ruining Andy well know it would, and eventually have Andy gain powers in one off episodes at times, because he would do that. Thats why Andy and Henry worked better. Looks like both Prue and Paige had something in common here. |
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Post by ljones on Dec 4, 2015 22:32:35 GMT -5
So . . . the only way the sisters can have decent relationships is if they fell in love with non-magical men? I find that hard to accept. It didn't work for Patty and Victor . . . or Piper and Dan.
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Post by West on Dec 5, 2015 7:39:49 GMT -5
No I'm sure they can work out. My point was, I just meant that magical love interests they will have powers and the sisters rely too much on them, like Leo and Cole. The sisters need to be front and center, not the love interests in fighting the demons. Like Leo being a magical taxi driver or healing them, it took the fun out of situations. Had Leo never gotten his powers back after season 2, then we wouldn't run into all those issues.
And with Victor, it didn't work out as they got married before he even found out. Its best to be honest with them before you even more forward in a relationship and marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 12:02:39 GMT -5
I've read that Connie didn't want any long-term love interests for the sisters, claiming that it took focus away from sisterhood and the Power of Three. That's why Andy was killed off, why Leo only returned for Season 2 after Holly requested it, and why she was strongly opposed to Cole becoming a regular in Season 3.
And, you know, after seeing how the later seasons turned out, I can't entirely say that Connie was wrong. Way too much of Season 3-onwards focused on either Piper/Leo or Phoebe/Cole instead of the Power of Three, and it seemed like Piper and Phoebe only became less and less likeable as time went on. I can't find it a coincidence that the two least hateable sisters are the two who never had a relationship that lasted more than a season, Prue and Paige. Charmed's writers just sucked at writing long-term relationships.
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Post by Nimue on Dec 5, 2015 12:57:41 GMT -5
No I'm sure they can work out. My point was, I just meant that magical love interests they will have powers and the sisters rely too much on them, like Leo and Cole. The sisters need to be front and center, not the love interests in fighting the demons. Like Leo being a magical taxi driver or healing them, it took the fun out of situations. Had Leo never gotten his powers back after season 2, then we wouldn't run into all those issues. And with Victor, it didn't work out as they got married before he even found out. Its best to be honest with them before you even more forward in a relationship and marriage.
Another thing: it is realistic for the sisters to depend on Leo as their "magical taxi driver". It wouldn't make sense for them to have a Whitelighter who can teleport and not use him whenever they could. If Whitelighters didn't exist, the sisters would probably have to invent a potion or cast a teleportation spell of some kind, they certainly wouldn't rely on their cars for all eternity. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 16:58:01 GMT -5
Translated: We were too lazy to think of new and interesting ways to incorporate Andy into the sisters' lives so we just got rid of him. You could apply that ridiculous logic to virtually every character outside of the Charmed Circle, particularly Leo (the sisters' cosmic taxi who hindered potentially new ways of finding/protecting Innocents); Cole (his 'demonic know-how' ensured he did most of the work when it came to battling the Source and his inner circle); Chris/Wyatt (completely pulling focus and character development from the sisters) and even Billie (basically doing the sisters' job for them). Of course, I do agree with you. Well, that's a first   |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 17:11:25 GMT -5
Translated: We were too lazy to think of new and interesting ways to incorporate Andy into the sisters' lives so we just got rid of him. You could apply that ridiculous logic to virtually every character outside of the Charmed Circle, particularly Leo (the sisters' cosmic taxi who hindered potentially new ways of finding/protecting Innocents); Cole (his 'demonic know-how' ensured he did most of the work when it came to battling the Source and his inner circle); Chris/Wyatt (completely pulling focus and character development from the sisters) and even Billie (basically doing the sisters' job for them). Agreed, at least Andy wasn't magical or had powers. He would of added a great balance to the show, in addition to having known the charmed ones since children. I'd much prefer him sticking around, although we got Daryl in that role later. Andy at least it would add a more personal level, since Daryl they only became friends with after Andy died. Thats why I love season 1, because I never thought Andy stole attention away from the sisters. Like Leo and Cole did after when they became regulars. It felt more balanced with just the sisters, Andy and Daryl. Plus a mortal love interest I liked. Because it made me relate to Andy more, as a viewer. And the sisters with magical or non human love interests just never worked. Thank god Paige got Henry. Sure if the charmed ones fall in love with a witch, they can relate to them and feel accepted. But you run into the problem where they become a Leo or a Cole and end up helping and doing the job themselves. Why If Andy stayed, It would of worked better for the show, not that it stops Kern ruining Andy well know it would, and eventually have Andy gain powers in one off episodes at times, because he would do that. Thats why Andy and Henry worked better. Looks like both Prue and Paige had something in common here. Couldn't agree with you more. What's saddest is that Andy was Prue's (and the sisters') main connection to 'the real world'. Although Prue had to lie to him for most of S1, it continually brought home just how serious and precarious being a witch in the modern world was. They had to exercise caution whenever they 'did magic' and knew that there would be consequences for being reckless. I feel that after Andy died the writers copped out with regards to the girls' love interests ( "let's throw in an Angel and a Demon for two of the sisters"). So, Andy really was the best love interest of all, as anyone Prue dated afterwards just paled in comparison. I did like, and saw a lot of potential, in Dan and Jack as they were not the type of men who would wade in there and try to do the sisters' job for them. However, the problem is that they became so bland and were never developed. I agree that Henry did provide this connection for Paige, although personally I preferred her with Kyle - a relationship I think would've worked much better had he not been obsessed with the Avatars. Sadly all of Phoebe's post-Cole relationships were woeful (human or otherwise). |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 5, 2015 21:24:51 GMT -5
Agreed, at least Andy wasn't magical or had powers. He would of added a great balance to the show, in addition to having known the charmed ones since children. I'd much prefer him sticking around, although we got Daryl in that role later. Andy at least it would add a more personal level, since Daryl they only became friends with after Andy died. Thats why I love season 1, because I never thought Andy stole attention away from the sisters. Like Leo and Cole did after when they became regulars. It felt more balanced with just the sisters, Andy and Daryl. Plus a mortal love interest I liked. Because it made me relate to Andy more, as a viewer. And the sisters with magical or non human love interests just never worked. Thank god Paige got Henry. Sure if the charmed ones fall in love with a witch, they can relate to them and feel accepted. But you run into the problem where they become a Leo or a Cole and end up helping and doing the job themselves. Why If Andy stayed, It would of worked better for the show, not that it stops Kern ruining Andy well know it would, and eventually have Andy gain powers in one off episodes at times, because he would do that. Thats why Andy and Henry worked better. Looks like both Prue and Paige had something in common here. Couldn't agree with you more. What's saddest is that Andy was Prue's (and the sisters') main connection to 'the real world'. Although Prue had to lie to him for most of S1, it continually brought home just how serious and precarious being a witch in the modern world was. They had to exercise caution whenever they 'did magic' and knew that there would be consequences for being reckless. I feel that after Andy died the writers copped out with regards to the girls' love interests ( "let's throw in an Angel and a Demon for two of the sisters"). So, Andy really was the best love interest of all, as anyone Prue dated afterwards just paled in comparison. I did like, and saw a lot of potential, in Dan and Jack as they were not the type of men who would wade in there and try to do the sisters' job for them. However, the problem is that they became so bland and were never developed. I agree that Henry did provide this connection for Paige, although personally I preferred her with Kyle - a relationship I think would've worked much better had he not been obsessed with the Avatars. Sadly all of Phoebe's post-Cole relationships were woeful (human or otherwise). I agree with all of that except for Phoebe , because she had two relationships that were much better than her one with Cole, both full demons - Kyra and Drake. Also can't agree with Kyle. Just like Cole, he made a Charmed One turn her back on her sisters. I can't like any relationship that does that, no matter how crappy the sisters are at that point. Much prefer Henry with Paige. My major thing against Kyle is that he became a whitelighter only because he was on the Elders' side, while Leo was only punished because he was on the other side, which shows how demonic the Elders had become - much more demonic than the demons. Leaders of Good, my a$$! My favorite combinations remain: Prue and Bane Piper and Mark Phoebe and Drake (or Kyra) Paige and Henry |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 3:08:22 GMT -5
No I'm sure they can work out. My point was, I just meant that magical love interests they will have powers and the sisters rely too much on them, like Leo and Cole. The sisters need to be front and center, not the love interests in fighting the demons. Like Leo being a magical taxi driver or healing them, it took the fun out of situations. Had Leo never gotten his powers back after season 2, then we wouldn't run into all those issues. And with Victor, it didn't work out as they got married before he even found out. Its best to be honest with them before you even more forward in a relationship and marriage.
Another thing: it is realistic for the sisters to depend on Leo as their "magical taxi driver". It wouldn't make sense for them to have a Whitelighter who can teleport and not use him whenever they could. If Whitelighters didn't exist, the sisters would probably have to invent a potion or cast a teleportation spell of some kind, they certainly wouldn't rely on their cars for all eternity.I think it's unrealistic for the most powerful witches to have to use anyone(husband or baby sister) as a magical taxi. What with the Stillman sisters using their potion perfume spray to teleport, and Billie & Christie using a potion to teleport, it made the Halliwell sisters look very inept for being the most powerful witches the world has ever known. Driving a car should be something lower-tier witches have to put up with. |
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Post by Nimue on Dec 6, 2015 3:32:09 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree with you. It wasn't wrong for the sisters to rely a little too much on Leo or Cole to help them out: that's what relationships are about, equal partnership. Leo and Cole could actually relate to the sisters, help them out and most importantly, stand a chance in a fight against evil. With a simple human being, there's the huge (and dare I say, irresponsible) risk of getting that person killed (which is what happened to Andy- and I know the sisters died, too, but they at least had a fighting chance, Andy didn't). Also, I doubt there are many non-magical beings who could have a relationship with the Halliwells, and not feel jealous or insecure because they don't have any powers themselves (Henry and Andy were exceptions, I don't know that many men who could realistically stand that kind of relationship).
Another thing: it is realistic for the sisters to depend on Leo as their "magical taxi driver". It wouldn't make sense for them to have a Whitelighter who can teleport and not use him whenever they could. If Whitelighters didn't exist, the sisters would probably have to invent a potion or cast a teleportation spell of some kind, they certainly wouldn't rely on their cars for all eternity. I think it's unrealistic for the most powerful witches to have to use anyone(husband or baby sister) as a magical taxi. What with the Stillman sisters using their potion perfume spray to teleport, and Billie & Christie using a potion to teleport, it made the Halliwell sisters look very inept for being the most powerful witches the world has ever known. Driving a car should be something lower-tier witches have to put up with. |
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Post by West on Dec 6, 2015 3:59:26 GMT -5
I think it's unrealistic for the most powerful witches to have to use anyone(husband or baby sister) as a magical taxi. What with the Stillman sisters using their potion perfume spray to teleport, and Billie & Christie using a potion to teleport, it made the Halliwell sisters look very inept for being the most powerful witches the world has ever known. Driving a car should be something lower-tier witches have to put up with. Now that is what I would prefer. Or using potions to heal wounds. Didn't that witch in exit strategy recommend a potion to heal a wound. If we had no whitelighters, then having the sister making potions and spells to heal wounds. That would be a lot better than what the writers did. This was something we brought up quite a while ago in discussions when mentioning whitelighters and other alternates. I forgot about it till you brought it up. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Dec 6, 2015 4:38:16 GMT -5
Yes Jenna in Exit Strategy made a healing salve using billings root (Ginger) if memory serves me correctly.
Shame she didn't write how to do it down and the sisters used that again in the future.
Also in Once Upon A Time Piper tried to heal Snow White/Paige using a anti poison spell in the book when he she was dead essentially.
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Post by sol on Dec 9, 2015 0:47:25 GMT -5
Couldn't agree with you more. What's saddest is that Andy was Prue's (and the sisters') main connection to 'the real world'. Although Prue had to lie to him for most of S1, it continually brought home just how serious and precarious being a witch in the modern world was. They had to exercise caution whenever they 'did magic' and knew that there would be consequences for being reckless. I feel that after Andy died the writers copped out with regards to the girls' love interests ( "let's throw in an Angel and a Demon for two of the sisters"). So, Andy really was the best love interest of all, as anyone Prue dated afterwards just paled in comparison. I did like, and saw a lot of potential, in Dan and Jack as they were not the type of men who would wade in there and try to do the sisters' job for them. However, the problem is that they became so bland and were never developed. I agree that Henry did provide this connection for Paige, although personally I preferred her with Kyle - a relationship I think would've worked much better had he not been obsessed with the Avatars. Sadly all of Phoebe's post-Cole relationships were woeful (human or otherwise). I agree with all of that except for Phoebe , because she had two relationships that were much better than her one with Cole, both full demons - Kyra and Drake. Also can't agree with Kyle. Just like Cole, he made a Charmed One turn her back on her sisters. I can't like any relationship that does that, no matter how crappy the sisters are at that point. Much prefer Henry with Paige. My major thing against Kyle is that he became a whitelighter only because he was on the Elders' side, while Leo was only punished because he was on the other side, which shows how demonic the Elders had become - much more demonic than the demons. Leaders of Good, my a$$! My favorite combinations remain: Prue and Bane Piper and Mark Phoebe and Drake (or Kyra) Paige and Henry I liked Prue and Bane as a couple, too Andy and Prue look like more than anything very good friends, their knowledge since childhood was an important bond but Andy - bad haircut but beautiful eyes- had a personality too quiet to cater to Prue, he was more like Piper From the The Power Of Two Andy: Listen, Prue, I've done some thinking about the truth spell and, well, I'm still trying to sort my feelings out but I've kinda come to the conclusion that no matter whether I had a minute, a month, or a year to think about it, it wouldn't change the truth. It may sound boring but I know someday I want to have a normal life to come home to. With a white picket fence, a two car garage, a screaming kid, but no demons. Maybe it's because of all the evil I deal with everyday on the job. I don't know. Between Prue and Bane instead there was a strong chemistry |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 9, 2015 8:29:48 GMT -5
I agree with all of that except for Phoebe , because she had two relationships that were much better than her one with Cole, both full demons - Kyra and Drake. Also can't agree with Kyle. Just like Cole, he made a Charmed One turn her back on her sisters. I can't like any relationship that does that, no matter how crappy the sisters are at that point. Much prefer Henry with Paige. My major thing against Kyle is that he became a whitelighter only because he was on the Elders' side, while Leo was only punished because he was on the other side, which shows how demonic the Elders had become - much more demonic than the demons. Leaders of Good, my a$$! My favorite combinations remain: Prue and Bane Piper and Mark Phoebe and Drake (or Kyra) Paige and Henry I liked Prue and Bane as a couple, too Andy and Prue look like more than anything very good friends, their knowledge since childhood was an important bond but Andy - bad haircut but beautiful eyes- had a personality too quiet to cater to Prue, he was more like Piper From the The Power Of Two Andy: Listen, Prue, I've done some thinking about the truth spell and, well, I'm still trying to sort my feelings out but I've kinda come to the conclusion that no matter whether I had a minute, a month, or a year to think about it, it wouldn't change the truth. It may sound boring but I know someday I want to have a normal life to come home to. With a white picket fence, a two car garage, a screaming kid, but no demons. Maybe it's because of all the evil I deal with everyday on the job. I don't know. Between Prue and Bane instead there was a strong chemistry Hmmm, never thought of Andy with Piper - always thought of him more with Phoebe - but you're right, especially if Piper gave up her powers and got her wish and became normal. The one I would've loved to have seen Prue with is Zankou... |
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