All Halliwell's Eve

[erikamarie]

Dec 4, 2015 1:13:32 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Do you have your Roman numerals right? XXVIII would be the twenty-eighth century (X=10, V=5, and I=1 so 10+10+5+1+1+2=28., and we're only up to the 21st (XXI) or if you want to use the whole number, it's year MMXV (M=1000, so 1000+1000+10+5=2015). I think you mean XVIII, which would be the 18th century. Easier not to use Roman numerals.

But all of that information is extremely interesting. Thanks to you and your sister for sharing.

This is what may happen writing in haste!

[sol]

The story of the use of surnames is not the same in every country
In Spain, we always inherit a surname from the father and one from ther mother
When I 'll have a baby, I'll decide which of my two and the father which of his two will be transmitted to the child
Never in Spain a woman had to take the husband last name


Thinking of the episode, I noted that its' a time-loop episode


Cole and the sisters go back in the past and Cole isn't able to change it because it had already happened

Then the sisters tell Charlotte that they come from her
Charlotte'll tell her daughter how she was saved by the most powerful witches
So Melinda had a vision or had just told the future?

[craig]

I LOVE this episode. But then I always like watching period pieces set in the past. LOL

[ljones]

This was the first episode that really made me stand up and notice Season 3. Ironically, it's not one of my top 5 episodes of this season. Perhaps No. 6 or 7.

[magena]

At both ends of the Warren history, there are two children born in magical nights, Melinda opens and Wyatt closes the circle

Very good, I like it!


The story started an Halloween night with the birth of a powerful female witch ends with the birth of a powerful male witch on a night illuminated by aurora borealis and the magic progression of Warren family ended with the three sisters

[Esmeralda]

Dec 12, 2016 16:43:33 GMT -5 magena said:

At both ends of the Warren history, there are two children born in magical nights, Melinda opens and Wyatt closes the circle

Very good, I like it!


The story started an Halloween night with the birth of a powerful female witch ends with the birth of a powerful male witch on a night illuminated by aurora borealis and the magic progression of Warren family ended with the three sisters

But the magical progression didn't end with the sisters - it continued with Wyatt. Now if Chris didn't have any magic, then I'd agree that it ended with Wyatt. But instead a whole new different one started.

Now had they shown Old Leo with his granddaughter who doesn't have magic and Piper reading to her grandson who does, and it's he who closes the door, I'd agree that Wyatt was the start of a new progression, hopefully where each generation of male Warrens were *less* powerful than the previous ones, but otherwise that doesn't quite make sense.

[sol]

I agree that the magical progression ended with the sisters

They were the more powerful witches forecasted by Melinda, after them, their offspring 'll be less powwerful, eg Chris, he hadn't the strong TK power we saw in Morality Bites Prue, not even Paige developed such a strong power

Wyatt is son of a magical event, so he isn't technically an heir of Warren powers, but something different and I think he cannot transmit his powers to his children, just because these are from a magical event, not by a genetic transmission

[Esmeralda]

Dec 13, 2016 3:27:55 GMT -5 sol said:

I agree that the magical progression ended with the sisters

They were the more powerful witches forecasted by Melinda, after them, their offspring 'll be less powwerful, eg Chris, he hadn't the strong TK power we saw in Morality Bites Prue, not even Paige developed such a strong power

Wyatt is son of a magical event, so he isn't technically an heir of Warren powers, but something different and I think he cannot transmit his powers to his children, just because these are from a magical event, not by a genetic transmission

Ah, that makes sense.

Great job!

ETA: Although thinking about it, since I don't think the special day gave Wyatt any special powers, only heralded him to be special as the first twice-blessed child - one with a Charmed mother and a whitelighter father - just like Chris and Prudence Melinda, I'd agree with you ONLY if whitelighter powers couldn't be passed on. Since they can, your theory still doesn't hold water for me.

Keep in mind the prophecy says "A twice-blessed child", not "THE Twice-Blessed Child". And the only ones who call him that are fans - the show never does. So him having special powers thanks to the day is fanon, not canon, fanon tht's not part of my head canon any more than Piper's daughter's name is Melinda rather than Prudence Melinda, the name she was going to give Wyatt if he was the girl he should've been.

Stubborn, I know, but no one has ever proven me wrong using canon, not fanon, on any of these points.

[magena]

First blessed child?
It's only a sonnet, a poetic phase, not a title!
No one has ever spoken of a twice blessed child, nor the sisters or Leo or Gideon, no one
Only the fans

I read in some thread an explanation of the symbolism of the three signs and I believe that such a rare combination of signs generate a powerful magical event or the magic'ld not stop
Indeed, magic didn't stop when Chris was born


I agree with Sol, Wyatt powers are unique and his children'ld be normal witches, no special powers, no whitelighter powers

[sol]

Keep in mind the prophecy says "A twice-blessed child", not "THE Twice-Blessed Child". And the only ones who call him that are fans - the show never does.

I agree, twice blessed means nothing, as magena told, is only an adjective

In Wyatt Halliwel lthread I found this from Erika

Wyatt was born in special circumstances -Aurora Borealis. the alignment Jupiter, Mars and Saturn in Gemini,- but he was born also in that time of year considered both in Roman and Celtic mythology as a period of balance, between the winter solstice and the spring equinox

In ancient Greece, the first days of February were devoted to Dionysus, twice blessed, god whose natural energy emerged at the end of January. the children born in those days were blessed by the power of fire

In ancient Rome, children born in this period were considered twice blessed because the growing light gave them special healing powers

In the Middle Ages, children born in those days in between the birth of the new light and the balance of light and shadow, were considered unique, blessed with purity

Then the whole story of the TB child because son of a Charmed Ones and a Whitelighter is a  fans fabrication

Important however is that, as Cronyn says," the future of all magic hangs in the balance"

The signs point to a particular special and magic day, and the magic disappears to flow into the child who is being born


Es, can you really argue that everything happens for nothing and doesn't affect the powers of Wyatt?

Wyatt was born six weeks early to be born in that magical day, so all his powers are from a different source than that of his lineage
For this reason I believe that Wyatt's children'll be average witches, as their cousins and that Prue, Piper and Phoebe were the predicted ones, the highest point of the Warren family
In fact, Paige wasn't powerful as her sisters

[Esmeralda]

Dec 14, 2016 2:27:47 GMT -5 sol said:

Keep in mind the prophecy says "A twice-blessed child", not "THE Twice-Blessed Child". And the only ones who call him that are fans - the show never does.

I agree, twice blessed means nothing, as magena told, is only an adjective

In Wyatt Halliwel lthread I found this from Erika

Wyatt was born in special circumstances -Aurora Borealis. the alignment Jupiter, Mars and Saturn in Gemini,- but he was born also in that time of year considered both in Roman and Celtic mythology as a period of balance, between the winter solstice and the spring equinox

In ancient Greece, the first days of February were devoted to Dionysus, twice blessed, god whose natural energy emerged at the end of January. the children born in those days were blessed by the power of fire

In ancient Rome, children born in this period were considered twice blessed because the growing light gave them special healing powers

In the Middle Ages, children born in those days in between the birth of the new light and the balance of light and shadow, were considered unique, blessed with purity

Then the whole story of the TB child because son of a Charmed Ones and a Whitelighter is a  fans fabrication

Important however is that, as Cronyn says," the future of all magic hangs in the balance"

The signs point to a particular special and magic day, and the magic disappears to flow into the child who is being born


Es, can you really argue that everything happens for nothing and doesn't affect the powers of Wyatt?

Wyatt was born six weeks early to be born in that magical day, so all his powers are from a different source than that of his lineage
For this reason I believe that Wyatt's children'll be average witches, as their cousins and that Prue, Piper and Phoebe were the predicted ones, the highest point of the Warren family
In fact, Paige wasn't powerful as her sisters

But she wasn't the oldest.

But I'll agree - I've fell for a fanon of my own!!!

MY BAD!

[unakite]

For this reason I believe that Wyatt's children'll be average witches, as their cousins and that Prue, Piper and Phoebe were the predicted ones, the highest point of the Warren family

This is why I support a series about Wyatt and Chris: it would be a different story, but inserted in the magical world of Charmed

In fact, Paige wasn't powerful as her sisters

Because she is not a Charmed One
Charlotte was saved by Prue, Piper and Phoebe, even if they were powerless, because the magic was strong in them
Paige is a strong witch with a useful whitelighter power, but she does not represent the fulfillment of the magic of the Warren family, she is after, not only because is the yougest, but because the apogee of power belongs to her older sisters
I love All Halliwell's Eve, I like to see it at Halloween  and I love  the birth of Melinda protected by the circle, while Phoebe flies on the broom
One of the best and unforgettable Charmed moments

[sol]

Charlotte was saved by Prue, Piper and Phoebe, even if they were powerless, because the magic was strong in them

As the Force!


The passion with which the sisters try to save Charlotte, though devoid of their powers, is what I love more in this episode

The magic of nature: apples, medicinal herbs, broom, a magical legacy forgotten

Maybe it'l be true that the prediction of the powerful sisters was influenced by the stories that Charlotte'll tell her daughter

[Aaeiyn]

Nov 30, 2015 16:26:31 GMT -5 erikamarie said:

All Halliwell's Eve is one of my favorite episodes


Personal note: the sisters are often badly dressed but ugly costumes like those they wore are hard to find
Piper's pink dress pink fairy ... thrilling

I was thinking that there are similarities between Melinda and Wyatt's birth: in both births, evil forces are waiting for the coming of a child prophesied as powerful
In both births, the mothers are held captive
In both births, the pure magic, devoid of power, saves the day

This in support of my theory that Wyatt's birth is the beginning of a new prophecy and a new dynasty of witches, the Warren girls have finished their path

Interesting theory, and I like it.  Never thought about it that way, before.  Thank you very much for the insight.  I, definitely agree with your assessment