Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 10, 2017 2:24:41 GMT -5
Wyatt was apparently there for months as it happened without Chris' intervention, so I would say yeah, a toddler being in the Underworld for months at a time, only having his powers to survive would mentally scar him enough to start believing in power being absolute. Oh, c'mon! Give me a break!!! You truly think Leo and Piper would've let their son be missing for that long??? They would've moved Heaven and Earth to find him, so he wouldn't have been gone for more than a couple hours, days at the most. Not enough to cause that much damage. And if he did indeed use his powers to save himself (which is perfectly AOK), then in the next 13-14 years if Piper had trained him *not* to use his powers for personal gain, he wouldn't have turned evil. This might have been a factor, but the larger factor for Wyatt turning evil was a selfish, self-centered Leoless Piper. |
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Post by ljones on Jan 10, 2017 22:05:00 GMT -5
I agree. I once posted an article on my blogs about how the costumes for the "good" and "evil" main characters on "CHARMED" and "BUFFY" were a bit too exaggerated.
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Post by sol on Jan 11, 2017 3:03:10 GMT -5
Wyatt was apparently there for months as it happened without Chris' intervention, so I would say yeah, a toddler being in the Underworld for months at a time, only having his powers to survive would mentally scar him enough to start believing in power being absolute. Oh, c'mon! Give me a break!!! You truly think Leo and Piper would've let their son be missing for that long??? They would've moved Heaven and Earth to find him, so he wouldn't have been gone for more than a couple hours, days at the most. Not enough to cause that much damage. And if he did indeed use his powers to save himself (which is perfectly AOK), then in the next 13-14 years if Piper had trained him *not* to use his powers for personal gain, he wouldn't have turned evil. This might have been a factor, but the larger factor for Wyatt turning evil was a selfish, self-centered Leoless Piper. I'm sorry to disagree A bad education may have harmful effects - and I think Piper, due to her nature, cannot make wicked a son A traumatic event within three years of age can devastate and change a personality, and it takes not days, a minute is enough Wyatt is kidnapped by a friend of his parents, he sees killing a friend and is subject to repeated attempts to murder him: more than sufficient to develop a paranoia |
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Post by lordumbrex on Jan 11, 2017 18:33:33 GMT -5
You may not agree with the fact that it can happen, but the writers pretty much stated that it was the reason why Wyatt viewed good and evil as a struggle for power: he had it, other's didn't. In his mind, he survived because he was strong, therefore, he had the right to rule. It's not at all uncommon and I could name a dozen people off the top of my head in real life that developed that sense due to similar circumstances (though, not magical, obviously). Additionally, some people are just plain bullies, and no amount of parenting can prevent that from developing, only lessening the effects of it.
Plus, Piper died when Wyatt was a teenager.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 11, 2017 19:07:00 GMT -5
You may not agree with the fact that it can happen, but the writers pretty much stated that it was the reason why Wyatt viewed good and evil as a struggle for power: he had it, other's didn't. In his mind, he survived because he was strong, therefore, he had the right to rule. It's not at all uncommon and I could name a dozen people off the top of my head in real life that developed that sense due to similar circumstances (though, not magical, obviously). Additionally, some people are just plain bullies, and no amount of parenting can prevent that from developing, only lessening the effects of it. Plus, Piper died when Wyatt was a teenager. Leo wasn't even part of that future yet - how would he know what would or wouldn't happen? It was his guess as to what would do it, not what did. And Piper's death was probably the last straw, again, much more than Gideon. Leo never would've seen that it was Piper who was doing it. If Wyatt didn't come back evil in 'Imaginary Fiends' after Gideon was already dead in 'It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World', I'd believe you. That's what convinced me that it was Leo *not* being around that caused Wyatt to turn, not Gideon, not Barbas, not Vicus, not any other demon, but a Leoless Piper. The writers thought they were writing both Phoebe and Piper to be perfect when both were anything but. Hence why they kept coming up with excuses that were nothing more than that. Sorry, actions speak SO much louder than words and none of those words fit their actions. |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jan 12, 2017 9:36:30 GMT -5
We really don't know what happened in the original future since we only have information which was given us by Chris only. Leo may not have played a role in Chris' life but what about Wyatt's life? He could have played a major factor there, unintentionally. As said, we really don't know. The writers and all didn't give us that much information about the future Chris came from.
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Post by lordumbrex on Jan 13, 2017 0:40:10 GMT -5
We really don't know what happened in the original future since we only have information which was given us by Chris only. Leo may not have played a role in Chris' life but what about Wyatt's life? He could have played a major factor there, unintentionally. As said, we really don't know. The writers and all didn't give us that much information about the future Chris came from. As for Leo, it appears that he was there for and played a part in Wyatt's life, at least in some form or fashion. |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jan 13, 2017 12:31:39 GMT -5
Yep, this was the quote I had in mind as well but couldn't find the words that quickly.  As for Leo's role in his sons' lives, unchanged future. |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 7, 2018 3:33:18 GMT -5
You may not agree with the fact that it can happen, but the writers pretty much stated that it was the reason why Wyatt viewed good and evil as a struggle for power: he had it, other's didn't. In his mind, he survived because he was strong, therefore, he had the right to rule. It's not at all uncommon and I could name a dozen people off the top of my head in real life that developed that sense due to similar circumstances (though, not magical, obviously). Additionally, some people are just plain bullies, and no amount of parenting can prevent that from developing, only lessening the effects of it. Plus, Piper died when Wyatt was a teenager. Leo wasn't even part of that future yet - how would he know what would or wouldn't happen? It was his guess as to what would do it, not what did. And Piper's death was probably the last straw, again, much more than Gideon. Leo never would've seen that it was Piper who was doing it. If Wyatt didn't come back evil in 'Imaginary Fiends' after Gideon was already dead in 'It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World', I'd believe you. That's what convinced me that it was Leo *not* being around that caused Wyatt to turn, not Gideon, not Barbas, not Vicus, not any other demon, but a Leoless Piper. The writers thought they were writing both Phoebe and Piper to be perfect when both were anything but. Hence why they kept coming up with excuses that were nothing more than that. Sorry, actions speak SO much louder than words and none of those words fit their actions. Wyatt was two. What a child sees at that age shapes them. Piper and Leo had no fault in it. Their toddler was held hostage in the underworld and the underworld wouldn't have been easy to move around with when it came to it because Cole wasn't there to guide them anymore. Besides, I think Leo and S6 Chris were the main reasons Wyatt remained good. Leo killed Gideon and Chris died trying to protect him. |
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As for Leo's role in his sons' lives, unchanged future. 