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Post by jdpm1991 on Jan 24, 2016 19:37:12 GMT -5
I'll never understand this: If they couldn't show Phoebe using her powers Premonition, Levitation and Empathy couldn't they at least show her being a fighter instead of being a Mary Sue throughout Season 8? I mean if they could afford Billie doing martial arts why couldn't Phoebe?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 20:36:32 GMT -5
She was far too busy trying to get knocked up. But seriously, I agree that it was infuriating to see Billie and her array of martial arts skills, particularly her Prue-esque flips and kicks. Couldn't they have given Phoebe back her Levitation power and, I don't know, NOT made Billie the new Super Witch? She already had Telekinesis and Projection she didn't need to be a physical fighter, just like Prue didn't need to be in Season 3.
It was hardly surprising though, from what I can remember she'd barely used her martial arts since S4, just like the rest of her abilities.
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Post by esperanzaa on Jan 25, 2016 11:45:40 GMT -5
She was far too busy trying to get knocked up. But seriously, I agree that it was infuriating to see Billie and her array of martial arts skills, particularly her Prue-esque flips and kicks. Couldn't they have given Phoebe back her Levitation power and, I don't know, NOT made Billie the new Super Witch? She already had Telekinesis and Projection she didn't need to be a physical fighter, just like Prue didn't need to be in Season 3. It was hardly surprising though, from what I can remember she'd barely used her martial arts since S4, just like the rest of her abilities. In fact, that is something I never understood, Phoebe always complaining in S1-S2 that her powers were so weak,but in S4-S8 she didn't even have premonitions anymore (ok, just very few). I think she had more premonitions in the first episodes of S1 than in S4 - S8 combined, however she NEVER complained, despite Paige and Piper having super powers (much stronger than Prue/Piper in S1/S2, whom she envied). It would have been way better, if Phoebe(in S4-S8) also had had an active power, she was such an outsider in terms of powers. |
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Post by adzpower on Jan 25, 2016 13:35:20 GMT -5
I'm guessing Alyssa couldn't bebothered or maybe they couldn't afford the insurance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 11:37:45 GMT -5
She was far too busy trying to get knocked up. But seriously, I agree that it was infuriating to see Billie and her array of martial arts skills, particularly her Prue-esque flips and kicks. Couldn't they have given Phoebe back her Levitation power and, I don't know, NOT made Billie the new Super Witch? She already had Telekinesis and Projection she didn't need to be a physical fighter, just like Prue didn't need to be in Season 3. It was hardly surprising though, from what I can remember she'd barely used her martial arts since S4, just like the rest of her abilities. In fact, that is something I never understood, Phoebe always complaining in S1-S2 that her powers were so weak,but in S4-S8 she didn't even have premonitions anymore (ok, just very few). I think she had more premonitions in the first episodes of S1 than in S4 - S8 combined, however she NEVER complained, despite Paige and Piper having super powers (much stronger than Prue/Piper in S1/S2, whom she envied). It would have been way better, if Phoebe(in S4-S8) also had had an active power, she was such an outsider in terms of powers. Indeed. I loved Phoebe in early Season 4 because it was the most she used her levitation power and she was still getting quite a lot of premonitions. Although she still wasn't as strong as her sisters in combat, she at least played a role. But all that went out of the window in favour of obsessing over Cole, and then her subsequent boyfriends. The lack of premonitions post-S4 is embarrassing. Surely the premonition "effect" would cost almost no money to produce? What was the writers excuse for abandoning her power? It's interesting how Phoebe never fully understood that turning her back on her powers is what made them not work properly (as seen in 'The Eyes Have It'). From S5/6 premonition were only of use to her when they worked to her benefit (i.e. saving her boyfriends, foreseeing her future child). |
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 26, 2016 17:41:36 GMT -5
Phoebe's premonitions are generally linked to the innocents to save and from the fourth season the theme of the innocent almost disappears
The fourth season is mostly about the Source,apart from the Muses, the process in which Phoebe is a jury member and Tyler's story, the episodes are all focused on the demons and their attacks
Also in the fifth season, the stories regard the attacks on the sisters, apart from the mermaid, the nymphs, Lydia and Theresa
In the sixth season, the demonic world is quieter, but Chris devotes himself to envilen their lives.
The innocent who enter their lives are Richard Montana and Larry because of Paige's temp job, Derek by chance, while Phoebe's premonition is about the genius
After the third season, the scheme: Phoebe has a premonition, the CO try to save / help the innocent,a call for a toast at P3 in the night, disappears,the random history or the reaction due an attacks or a conspiracy, prevails
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 4, 2016 11:25:24 GMT -5
Martial Arts traditionally are about preserving life not taking it.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 4, 2016 11:51:24 GMT -5
I'll never understand this: If they couldn't show Phoebe using her powers Premonition, Levitation and Empathy couldn't they at least show her being a fighter instead of being a Mary Sue throughout Season 8? I mean if they could afford Billie doing martial arts why couldn't Phoebe? The purpose of self defense or Martial Arts is more about preserving life,not to kill. If you believe in life, you are training to use your skills to protect your family, your community, and your country. You are not developing those skills to prey on others. If you believe in life, you avoid conflict when possible to preserve life. Rather than fight to protect your pride, you diffuse a confrontation or evade it altogether. Now if your opponent believes in death you have to be prepared to stop him.If your opponent tries to hurt you, you must be mentally prepared to use violence against him. If you believe in life, your goal is not to kill him, it is to preserve your own life. |
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Post by yanpo on Jun 9, 2016 13:51:11 GMT -5
I was more annoyed by how Piper barely used her freezing power. How much more effective a fighter she would have been had she "Freeze then Boom" her enemies, rather than just try to Boom everything, especially when fighting a room full of enemies.
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 24, 2017 23:14:33 GMT -5
The show wasn't even trying. I think we were lucky Phoebe even got her premonition back before it ended. But it wasn't really a big deal as she only used it to find a baby daddy.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 25, 2017 5:22:37 GMT -5
I think it could have been budget reasons, maybe they couldn't afford stunt doubles and insurance.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 25, 2017 7:07:26 GMT -5
Yet I read in a magazine that Kaley also got a new stunt woman in S8, so why not Alyssa/Phoebe (anymore)? Sounds strange to me.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 25, 2017 14:01:18 GMT -5
Perhaps they couldn't pay for two who knows.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 25, 2017 15:35:36 GMT -5
Yeah but they would have gone the extra mile to accomodate Kaley since she was supposed to be the new "star" who would lead the spin-off.
It never mad sense that Phoebe dropped her martial arts since at that point she only had premonitions which was the only reason she decided to learn how to fight in the first place!
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Feb 25, 2017 16:07:02 GMT -5
It got me so mad when they would ask for Phoebe's help and she said she was busy trying to find a husband so she could get pregnant because of the timeline. I guess as the demons got harder to defeat martial arts may not have worked as well and they went for potions and spells instead.
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Post by ljones on Feb 25, 2017 16:39:31 GMT -5
Why is the only way to be a powerful or effective witch is to be a fighter or use one's powers for aggression?
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Post by gzv969 on Feb 26, 2017 1:35:32 GMT -5
Come to think about it, it's true. The only time I remember Phoebe in season 8 doing anything martial arts like was in repo manor when she socked Piper in the face. We'll fake phoebe.
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Post by ljones on Feb 26, 2017 1:40:53 GMT -5
Why would they bother to use martial arts to defeat demons with supernatural abilities?
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Feb 26, 2017 2:05:15 GMT -5
Why would they bother to use martial arts to defeat demons with supernatural abilities? I don't know but the producers felt it was necessary since she was training with Cole in the early episodes of season 4 in preparation for the Source if I recall correctly. Phoebe didnt have Piper's ability to blow up a demon or Paiges's ability to orb an object to herself or into a demon so they made her use martial arts. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 26, 2017 4:32:05 GMT -5
The reason Phoebe did martial arts originally was because she had a non-active power which couldn't be directed at demons so the writers had her learn that to make up for it then she got Levitation season 3 which accommodated also but yes I was surprised Phoebe didn't fight like she had done years earlier obviously.
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