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Post by jdpm1991 on Feb 9, 2016 23:21:06 GMT -5
After The Source was vanquished, whenever The Seer and Cole had conversations in the Underworld he always spoke in the third person. Why?
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 9, 2016 23:24:25 GMT -5
He was speaking as the Source. Royalty likes using the "royal we".
Actually that's how he led you on to think that he was possessed by the Source or was influenced by the essence of the Source when he only had the powers of the Source.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 0:39:49 GMT -5
No, Es, that's what YOU think happened. There is NOTHING in canon to support this idea.
And don't invoke the comics, you know I don't consider them, or anything in them, canon.
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 10, 2016 2:10:37 GMT -5
I always thought of Cole, along with Zankou,as the most smart demon of Charmed
I wont change my opinion and judge him an idiot who falls into a trivial trap of the Seer: an high-level demon, a 100-year-old big boy, could he not know how the Sorce's powers work?
If he had been possessed he'ld not give his powers to the wizard: unless at that point he was possessed by some cupid
We're Off To See the Wizard
Cole: Fine, but just so we're clear, once you get the Source's powers I never hear from you again.
Wizard: Understood. Not that I'm ungrateful, but why are you so willing to do this?
Cole: I lost someone I love and I want her back. That's all you need to know.
Wizard: Love? The Source can love.
Cole: Just keep working.
The Source's powers weren't overcoming Cole but, this is one of the major theme of Charmed - and not only - the too strong powers can become dangerous for those who own them: see Piper as Godness, Wyatt in the alternate future, Christy - she'll even try to kill her sister for the anger of being opposed- Phoebe in Witch Wars, the old Source himself, who loses his mind and frees the Hollow: obsessed, not possessed by the power
In any case, from the moment he fell in love with Phoebe, Cole tends to talk as the human side was distinct from the evil side, as if he was suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 10, 2016 3:14:04 GMT -5
I always thought Cole was possessed by the Source when the previous died but then as some people have said if he was he wouldn't love Phoebe or save Paige then for e.g. or even think about giving up his powers to the Wizard but then you have the other side of Cole talking in the third person as if someone was inside him so you don't know which is which really.
Err it's so confusing.
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Post by sol on Feb 10, 2016 4:53:05 GMT -5
I always thought of Cole, along with Zankou,as the most smart demon of Charmed I wont change my opinion and judge him an idiot who falls into a trivial trap of the Seer: an high-level demon, a 100-year-old big boy, could he not know how the Sorce's powers work? If he had been possessed he'ld not give his powers to the wizard: unless at that point he was possessed by some cupid We're Off To See the Wizard
Cole: Fine, but just so we're clear, once you get the Source's powers I never hear from you again.
Wizard: Understood. Not that I'm ungrateful, but why are you so willing to do this?
Cole: I lost someone I love and I want her back. That's all you need to know.
Wizard: Love? The Source can love.
Cole: Just keep working. The Source's powers weren't overcoming Cole but, this is one of the major theme of Charmed - and not only - the too strong powers can become dangerous for those who own them: see Piper as Godness, Wyatt in the alternate future, Christy - she'll even try to kill her sister for the anger of being opposed- Phoebe in Witch Wars, the old Source himself, who loses his mind and frees the Hollow: obsessed, not possessed by the power In any case, from the moment he fell in love with Phoebe, Cole tends to talk as the human side was distinct from the evil side, as if he was suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder Possessed also by a cupid? That's a good one! |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 10, 2016 21:00:42 GMT -5
Blame the writers since they couldn't decide what the Source was.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 12, 2016 13:49:30 GMT -5
That was the fight inside Cole, refering to himself in third person, but the Source within had more power. It is confusing but think of it as two "souls" fighting over one body. Who would win? Only the strongest and that is still the Source!
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 13, 2016 14:30:15 GMT -5
That was the fight inside Cole, refering to himself in third person, but the Source within had more power. It is confusing but think of it as two "souls" fighting over one body. Who would win? Only the strongest and that is still the Source! Sorta like the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Where Jekyll in Hydes body compels Hyde to go to Dr. Lanyon for a potion that would return him to his former self… but it’s obvious he is slowly losing control, slipping away, becoming only Hyde or something like that. |
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Post by ljones on Feb 14, 2016 1:05:36 GMT -5
That was Source referring to Cole, whose body he had taken possession of. Please . . . just carefully watch the late Season 4 episodes again.
Cole was possessed by the old Source's spirit after the sisters had vanquished the latter. That's all. He wasn't suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder. Good grief!! What is this? No one wants to admit that Cole was possessed? No one wants to admit that Kern had screwed up by not allowing the Halliwells to find out what really happened to him?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 12:46:10 GMT -5
Tell me about it. I can' t understand this line of thinking myself. Seems that there are some here that think that the Charmed Ones can do no wrong, despite evidence to the contrary (like Phoebe and Paige setting up Rick to be murdered, for example).
These people are so in love with the sisters that they are blind to the flawed characters the sisters became in the later seasons.
I'm with you on this one, Ljones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 15:47:51 GMT -5
Tell me about it. I can' t understand this line of thinking myself. Seems that there are some here that think that the Charmed Ones can do no wrong, despite evidence to the contrary (like Phoebe and Paige setting up Rick to be murdered, for example). These people are so in love with the sisters that they are blind to the flawed characters the sisters became in the later seasons. I'm with you on this one, Ljones. By the end of the series, the sisters were the true Big Bads, not Zankou, the Triad, Christy, or anyone else. It really makes you wish that the show had been cancelled after Season 1, doesn't it? |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 14, 2016 17:32:32 GMT -5
That was Source referring to Cole, whose body he had taken possession of. Please . . . just carefully watch the late Season 4 episodes again. Cole was possessed by the old Source's spirit after the sisters had vanquished the latter. That's all. He wasn't suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder. Good grief!! What is this? No one wants to admit that Cole was possessed? No one wants to admit that Kern had screwed up by not allowing the Halliwells to find out what really happened to him? Kerns writers screwed up alot in season 4 |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 16, 2016 12:41:47 GMT -5
Tell me about it. I can' t understand this line of thinking myself. Seems that there are some here that think that the Charmed Ones can do no wrong, despite evidence to the contrary (like Phoebe and Paige setting up Rick to be murdered, for example). These people are so in love with the sisters that they are blind to the flawed characters the sisters became in the later seasons. I'm with you on this one, Ljones. I thought this was a democratic site, not The Central Committee of a party with the democratic centralist rule I cannot think that Cole was possessed and so? Is it forbidden? Am I allowed to think what I want? Apart from all the things already written, the Es analysis, the fact that if he was posesed he'ld never decide to give in his powers to the Wizard, apart from all this, if I believed Cole possessed, I'ld be compelled to judge him an idiot, a great idiot Anyway, this is my opinion and I'ld like to be respected, just as I respect the opinion of those who are convinced of possession You have a great passion for Rex and Hannah, I count Hannah as a silly character, Rex is not bad even if I don't think of him as a so interesting character, but I respect your interest in them and I don't rush, every time you write about them, to tell you how and why I don't care about them So I don't care of "the flawed characters the sisters became in the later seasons" I like the people full of flaws, not everyone is virtuous like you, I am not Don't rack your brains about why these sisters so full of flaws at this time, in my country, are in rerun in three separate channels (while Buffy disappeared since four years),agree that the world is full of mysteries and let me express my point of view without burst into indignation |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 16, 2016 15:10:12 GMT -5
Tell me about it. I can' t understand this line of thinking myself. Seems that there are some here that think that the Charmed Ones can do no wrong, despite evidence to the contrary (like Phoebe and Paige setting up Rick to be murdered, for example). These people are so in love with the sisters that they are blind to the flawed characters the sisters became in the later seasons. I'm with you on this one, Ljones. I thought this was a democratic site, not The Central Committee of a party with the democratic centralist rule I cannot think that Cole was possessed and so? Is it forbidden? Am I allowed to think what I want? Apart from all the things already written, the Es analysis, the fact that if he was posesed he'ld never decide to give in his powers to the Wizard, apart from all this, if I believed Cole possessed, I'ld be compelled to judge him an idiot, a great idiot Anyway, this is my opinion and I'ld like to be respected, just as I respect the opinion of those who are convinced of possession You have a great passion for Rex and Hannah, I count Hannah as a silly character, Rex is not bad even if I don't think of him as a so interesting character, but I respect your interest in them and I don't rush, every time you write about them, to tell you how and why I don't care about them So I don't care of "the flawed characters the sisters became in the later seasons" I like the people full of flaws, not everyone is virtuous like you, I am not Don't rack your brains about why these sisters so full of flaws at this time, in my country, are in rerun in three separate channels (while Buffy disappeared since four years),agree that the world is full of mysteries and let me express my point of view without burst into indignation You ever read "The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" there's a scene where Jekyll got enough control of Hyde's body to force him to go to Dr. Lanyon for a potion that would return him to his former self … but it’s obvious he is slowly losing control, slipping away, becoming only Hyde. You can say that Cole can get some control over the Source temporarily but in the end evil wins out. |
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Post by yinsoul on Feb 16, 2016 15:18:53 GMT -5
If the writers had actually been clear and consistent, there would be a lot less cause for debate. But with all the retcons and forgetting, who knows what they meant.
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Post by sol on Feb 16, 2016 15:32:15 GMT -5
And then a tribute to writers who leave us room to make hypothesis and analysis otherwise about what would we talk?
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Post by ljones on Jul 29, 2016 0:58:44 GMT -5
If the writers had actually been clear and consistent, there would be a lot less cause for debate. But with all the retcons and forgetting, who knows what they meant. The writers were clear about it when Season Four aired. I knew exactly what had happened in Season Four. All you have to do is read the transcripts. After watching the Season Five episode, "The Seven Year Witch", it seemed clear to me that Brad Kern and his writers did not. And I find that disturbing. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 9:08:10 GMT -5
If the writers had actually been clear and consistent, there would be a lot less cause for debate. But with all the retcons and forgetting, who knows what they meant. The writers were clear about it when Season Four aired. I knew exactly what had happened in Season Four. All you have to do is read the transcripts. After watching the Season Five episode, "The Seven Year Witch", it seemed clear to me that Brad Kern and his writers did not. And I find that disturbing. So much this. In response to the OP, Cole was possessed by the Source, hence why the Source (in your opinion) kept referring to himself in "the third person". As ljones stated, in S5 and S7, the writers decided to Retcon that it was Cole, the entire time, and it's not true. Watching the events in S4, it's clear Cole was possessed. |
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