Charmed - Unpopular Opinions

[prudencehalliwell]

Apr 24, 2019 4:47:22 GMT -5 peytonmarie said:

Not sure if you'd call these "unpopular opinions" exactly. More like adjustments.

1. Future Leo shouldn't have appeared in Morality Bites. The father of Piper's daughter should've been a mystery so that the whole love triangle arc would actually have some weight (and when Wyatt's born it's another hint that maybe Melinda was Dan's or someone else's after all.) Future Darryl should've been the one to show up and explain the witch hunts. If they see he was still trying to help innocents it's another nudge toward telling him their secret later in S2.

2. Piper and Leo's trip to Up There between S2 and 3 should've felt like years to them but only a day on Earth. (They don't age because it's a heavenly plane.) That way, they've been together "longer" when they get married. They've only known each other for, what was it, 2 years? And they weren't even a couple for most of that.

3. Carrying on from the above, Piper and Leo should've never gotten together at all because he's been watching her since she was a baby and that's f***ing gross.

Can someone please clarify the Leo Watching Over Baby Piper thing for me? I distinctly remember he says it in S5's opener but back in S3, he didn't know what Piper was like in high school. Was that just another inconsistency?

That would have been okay to not see Leo. Also would have been just better with no sister having a future daughter and just having that future being not a decade into the future but maybe 5 years.

Another thing. If it was a heavenly plane, Piper shouldn't have even been able to go up there and die from lack of air. Otherwise, I hated that any human could even go up there in the first place.

Yeah inconsistencies are so common on Charmed, even in S1 itself from early S1 to late S1.

But Leo watching them as children was indeed another change from S1-S4, that was first brought up in S5 episode 1.

Piper and Leo's arc in S3. I hated that Leo proposed marriage as a solution to the Elder problems and basing it on their future seen and Piper wanting kids because she saw it and felt it was destined. Their story would be better without being influenced by the future.

[Elle Em]

Apr 24, 2019 4:47:22 GMT -5 peytonmarie said:

Not sure if you'd call these "unpopular opinions" exactly. More like adjustments.

1. Future Leo shouldn't have appeared in Morality Bites. The father of Piper's daughter should've been a mystery so that the whole love triangle arc would actually have some weight (and when Wyatt's born it's another hint that maybe Melinda was Dan's or someone else's after all.) Future Darryl should've been the one to show up and explain the witch hunts. If they see he was still trying to help innocents it's another nudge toward telling him their secret later in S2.

2. Piper and Leo's trip to Up There between S2 and 3 should've felt like years to them but only a day on Earth. (They don't age because it's a heavenly plane.) That way, they've been together "longer" when they get married. They've only known each other for, what was it, 2 years? And they weren't even a couple for most of that.

3. Carrying on from the above, Piper and Leo should've never gotten together at all because he's been watching her since she was a baby and that's f***ing gross.

Can someone please clarify the Leo Watching Over Baby Piper thing for me? I distinctly remember he says it in S5's opener but back in S3, he didn't know what Piper was like in high school. Was that just another inconsistency?

It's a good idea to have Melinda's father's identity kept secret. We all knew who Piper was going to choose. After knowing they had a child together, it was basically decided for her. And it would be very interesting for Piper to have chosen Leo without knowing for sure if she had done the same in the future, be expecting Melinda, get Wyatt instead, and struggle with wondering if she made the right decision after all while feeling guilty that she felt unsure about her own son. 

Piper and Leo really didn't know each other that long at all, did they? I'm used to knowing them as a couple and having the whole meant to be together thing in my head, but they were really only together for a few months before Leo proposed the first time. Even if they knew each other casually in season 1 and had strong feelings for each other in season 2, that's a somewhat shaky foundation on which to base an entire life together. Having them be together and just be happy with that, without getting married, would have been better. Then maybe they can get married at the end of the show for some payoff.

There were a lot of inconsistencies with Leo's role in their lives when they were younger. It would be beyond creepy to have watched someone from birth and then become romantically involved with them. If there had to be a whitelighter in the show at all, I'd prefer someone like Natalie who wasn't a potential love interest. 

[peytonmarie]

Piper and Leo's arc in S3. I hated that Leo proposed marriage as a solution to the Elder problems and basing it on their future seen and Piper wanting kids because she saw it and felt it was destined. Their story would be better without being influenced by the future.

The way they got engaged was so unromantic. Getting married was a convenient solution to... would we call it a problem? The Powers That Be don't want you two to get married; personally, I'd take their advice. Especially if I'd already seen myself divorced from this person in the future.

Honestly, I found Cole's impromptu proposal under a shower of demon goop far cuter.

I'm used to knowing them as a couple and having the whole meant to be together thing in my head, but they were really only together for a few months before Leo proposed the first time.

Exactly! And fair enough if they were so madly in love they couldn't help but get married right away but that wasn't even the case. It was a strategic play. And all of Piper's subsequent complains about their engagement/wedding were at least partially justified.

My problem with prolonged drama like theirs is there's always an obvious, easy solution. Leo should've clipped his wings and they should've bound Wyatt's powers. But we're not going to do that because this is television and we need angst.

[Lexi]

1. Future Leo shouldn't have appeared in Morality Bites. The father of Piper's daughter should've been a mystery so that the whole love triangle arc would actually have some weight (and when Wyatt's born it's another hint that maybe Melinda was Dan's or someone else's after all.) Future Darryl should've been the one to show up and explain the witch hunts. If they see he was still trying to help innocents it's another nudge toward telling him their secret later in S2.

Oh, I would have loved this! By having Leo show up, the love triangle (and I hate love triangles but could accept this one) didn't make much sense.

I'd have preferred Piper to choose Dan, too.

I also didn't think Season 8 was absolutely terrible. Billie and Christy's storyline could have been good had they remembered Christy was an innocent that needed saving. For me, Season 5 was worse than Season 8 -- I could have liked the Titans finale but it was badly played out.

Personally, I would have loved to have seen the show end with Season 3. Maybe Season 4 at a pinch or a two-hour finale movie that wrapped up the Shax storyline.

[prudencehalliwell]

Apr 24, 2019 9:42:41 GMT -5 peytonmarie said:

Piper and Leo's arc in S3. I hated that Leo proposed marriage as a solution to the Elder problems and basing it on their future seen and Piper wanting kids because she saw it and felt it was destined. Their story would be better without being influenced by the future.

The way they got engaged was so unromantic. Getting married was a convenient solution to... would we call it a problem? The Powers That Be don't want you two to get married; personally, I'd take their advice. Especially if I'd already seen myself divorced from this person in the future.

Agreed. It could have been better, if when Leo was taken by the Elders they had actual consequences, and not brought him back in the next episode, what a way to kill the drama and it just doesn't make me shocked seeing Leo taken in Magic Hour, when you know he returns the next episode anyway, on my first watch, yes I was shocked. Maybe they should have let Natalie replace Leo here, and not let Leo return until later in S3. 

I really felt Piper and Leo's wedding arc was just so not romantic at all and killed the suspense and joy of a true proposal because they truly were in love without using marriage as a way to fix a problem. 

Honestly, I found Cole's impromptu proposal under a shower of demon goop far cuter.

 

Exactly! And fair enough if they were so madly in love they couldn't help but get married right away but that wasn't even the case. It was a strategic play. And all of Piper's subsequent complains about their engagement/wedding were at least partially justified.

It really was. 

My problem with prolonged drama like theirs is there's always an obvious, easy solution. Leo should've clipped his wings and they should've bound Wyatt's powers. But we're not going to do that because this is television and we need angst.

Yeah what television always does.

And I hated how it played out in S3, Leo is given back right away after Magic Hour, and the Elders let them marry after they saved their asses. Leo becomes an Elder at the end of S5, and he still ends up around the house in S6. 

And Leo became got his wings clipped in Awakened, and then in Murphy's Luck wanted his powers back so he could help others, so he really liked being a whitelighter and helping people, too bad this isn't where they parted ways on mature terms, because they'd end up right back to where they started with all the problems they faced. 

I often forget Leo had other charges, he'd come and go so often, and Piper might go a few days or a week without seeing him. Never felt like the case in S3-S5. Although we saw him with a charge once in an episode during S4. 

I think for the drama, they could have had Leo gone for a while after Magic Hour, and let him stay gone after the start of S6, until later in the season. Another reason, I don't like S6, is it really killed the separation story, having Leo hanging around, especially if he became an Elder and was suppose to not see his family. Why Oh My Goddess and Magic Hour, just don't do anything for me an more, the drama led to easy solutions. 

Apr 24, 2019 18:06:02 GMT -5 Lexi said:

1. Future Leo shouldn't have appeared in Morality Bites. The father of Piper's daughter should've been a mystery so that the whole love triangle arc would actually have some weight (and when Wyatt's born it's another hint that maybe Melinda was Dan's or someone else's after all.) Future Darryl should've been the one to show up and explain the witch hunts. If they see he was still trying to help innocents it's another nudge toward telling him their secret later in S2.

Oh, I would have loved this! By having Leo show up, the love triangle (and I hate love triangles but could accept this one) didn't make much sense.

Yeah, that is what made the love triangle storyline not great, having all the drama with Leo and the future daughter. Although I'll always believe it was meant for Prue and Andy before Ted left the series.

The episode really feels so out of place in S2, of course, it wasn't the second in production and written order. I think it would make a much better season finale, and after the love triangle plot, if they still wanted that plot done.

I personally rather Piper and Leo's love story play out naturally and organically without the influence of the future weighing over their heads.

I'd have preferred Piper to choose Dan, too.

I'm sure Piper would be much happier, especially being with a non-magical.

I also didn't think Season 8 was absolutely terrible. Billie and Christy's storyline could have been good had they remembered Christy was an innocent that needed saving. For me, Season 5 was worse than Season 8 -- I could have liked the Titans finale but it was badly played out.

Yeah, it really was badly played out the Titans story. S5 could have been a great season if they had Cole not return from S4, where he belonged and went back to basics like in S2.

Personally, I would have loved to have seen the show end with Season 3. Maybe Season 4 at a pinch or a two-hour finale movie that wrapped up the Shax storyline.

I'd have been much happier if this happened. If this happened, I'm sure it might leave the door more open for a Charmed revival and or spin-off if it ended, than when it ended in S8.

[Esmeralda]

Looks like a lot of our opinions *aren't* unpopular opinions but ones that we all agree with, since I agree with most of this. It's all reminding me of my own Dream Charmed. I've posted my "Dream Charmed...with Children" a number of times, but this is my *true* Dream Charmed, where I don't include things that I didn’t really want as part of it, like children and halves. If you've already read my three-season version, go ahead and skip it. But if you haven't, I'd like to know what you think of this:

ES' TRUE DREAM CHARMED

Season One is similar to the original with some differences, mainly in the backstory and what comes from it.

Prue has never had a boyfriend because she closed her heart off after the death of her mother. Instead she’s been taking care of her sisters and Grams. Roger isn’t her boyfriend, but just her boss at the museum, a job she keeps during the entire series - nope, no Buckland's.

Piper is the same as the original, except that she was never a banker…she didn’t have to since Prue was the one who took care of Grams. Otherwise, no need to change her or her and Leo’s story.

Phoebe is still the wild child, and is very surprised when she comes back from New York to find out that her just-as-wild high-school boyfriend is now an inspector with the San Francisco Police Department. Andy discovers her secret after she helps him solve a few of his cases. Just like canon Andy, he can accept her as a witch, but not as a wife, at least for now, and since Phoebe is nowhere close to settling down, that’s fine with her, so they become lovers.

Andy's partner, Sheila Morris, wonders why Andy always seems to know what's up with the weird cases, but never learns the sisters' secret.

The other major difference is the finale which combines both “Love Hurts” and “Déjà vu All Over Again”. In order to stop the everlasting time loop, Piper must let Leo die…

After his death, the Charmed Ones no longer need a whitelighter to guide them which they needed during their first year as witches and we never hear the word whitelighter again, nor do we ever hear the word Elder, or, thank God, witchlighter. We never need to find out if dead men can sire children, which I believe would never have happened if Ted King hadn't left the show.

Other than these and the changes that would obviously be needed thanks to them--like the fact that it's Piper who thinks that Phoebe slept with her former boyfriend, Jeremy (who's the one who made her think so...) - the season is pretty much the same. Why change a good thing?


Obviously this changes Season Two, as Piper is the one who mourns her lost love rather than Prue. This is when she goes on strike, just like she did in the beginning of the real Season Three, and just like then, it's when she's almost the cause of a young girl losing her life that she changes her mind. But unlike canon Season Three, Leo is never returned.

But then Dan moves in next door, halfway through the season, with the following episodes similar to the first ones in canon Season Two, but Dan has no reason to be jealous of Leo...only of Piper's memories of him.. Instead, when he finds out that Piper is a witch, he also finds out what Leo was, and can accept that, since he respects Piper's decision for letting Leo die. Much like Henry in canon Season Eight, he decides that he can accept Piper as a witch and Piper finds herself falling for him, big-time, especially because he helps her have a normal life as a normal couple, something Leo could never do. With Dan's help, she decides to quit Quake and instead starts a restaurant of her own - P3.

Meanwhile, Phoebe and Andy continue to solve crimes with the help of her sisters, keeping the focus of the show on those innocent of the reality of magic (my definition of innocents, so anyone who has powers isn't one), as we see all of the innocents and bad guys that we saw in canon Season Two, with the exception of Sam who isn’t part of this--the only reason Victor left is Grams. Phoebe and Andy are still lovers, but don’t even consider marriage, until Phoebe almost dies trying to save one of the victims of one of the crimes they're trying to solve. Andy realizes that he loves her no matter if she's a witch or not and pops the question in a very romantic way, and she accepts.

We also see another bad guy, although if this was truly the first time we’d see the show, we wouldn’t know it. When the sisters end up having to testify at a trial, Prue takes a liking to District Attorney Cole Turner, and he returns the favor. But when he asks her out, she refuses. Only after she meets Cupid and becomes his ring, does she open her heart and accept Cole's offer.

The season finale is an episode similar to “The Honeymoon’s Over”, except, of course, Piper is also part of it, since no one has gone (or could go) Up There without suffocating from the lack of air. This is when we find out that Cole is indeed trying to kill the sisters. Unlike the canon series, he’s not half-demon, he's a warlock who only pretends to care for Prue and simply wants to discover the sisters’ weaknesses so he can destroy them and take their powers. There is no Source or Big Bad in this Charmedverse — the one who comes closest to being that is Cole himself, who is more like a combination of Cole and Zankou, except he's a warlock and not a demon - in this Charmedverse, the only demons are "The Demons of... " who are the opposite of "The Angels of..." and appear as often as the Angels do.

Unlike canon Season Two, since there is no "P3 H20" - no need to show anyone what could happen if a whitelighter falls in love with his charge - Prue never stops working at the museum, nor does she ever get her astral projection power. Instead all three sisters are gaining better control of their powers and can use them over larger distances as they work towards having the version of their powers that we saw in canon 'Morality Bites'.  That is indeed part of my series (how could my favorite episode not be?), but it's Andy and Phoebe who have Patty (not Melinda - Phoebe would want to continue the "P" tradition) and Piper who is about to die...

Season Three, the final season of my Dream Charmed, continues to have Phoebe helping Andy and Sheila solve crime, while also planning her wedding to Andy, so we continue to have the Bad Guy of the Week that I love, while also having the Cole story-arc that other fans love, even his fans might not like it as much, since Cole never truly loves a Charmed One, since he's pure warlock and not a half-demon. Meanwhile, Piper and Dan are becoming closer, and Prue thinks that so are she and Cole. Both Prue and Piper hope they're the ones who catch Phoebe's bouquet.

With these exceptions (and Phoebe and Andy not having to fight the Elders in order to get married since Andy's not dead), the season works pretty much like the original except that Piper never gets her explosion power and Phoebe never levitates.

Andy and Phoebe’s wedding happens about halfway through the season, working much like Leo and Piper’s so that Patty and Grams can be part of it (the only time they're corporeal in my Charmedverse), although there’s also plans for a big, huge public church wedding later on, since unlike Leo, Andy isn’t dead.

But rather than Prue interrupting it, it’s Shax who suddenly appears. The sisters vanquish him, but when they check the Book of Shadows, they find that he is just a warlockian hitman, so there is someone a lot worse out there. Phoebe tells Andy that she loves him and still wants to marry him, but only after they find and vanquish Shax’s boss.

The rest of the season works out similar to the original except, of course, there are no honeymooners, Phoebe continues to use her premonitions to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes while the sisters continue to save innocents.

But when Cole almost succeeds in killing the sisters, Prue has to accept the fact that the lawyer she loves is just the mask worn by a warlock who only pretended to love her and only wants her and her sisters' powers. Even though it breaks her heart, she joins her sisters in the grand finale as they battle and finally vanquish him.

The Angel of Destiny shows up and the sisters decide to give up their powers so they can live normal lives, with Prue finally deciding to quit the museum so she can try to live her own dream - that of being a professional photographer, something we've seen since the beginning of the series; Piper considering marrying Dan while happily running her restaurant where she's the chef; and Phoebe deciding to go back to school and become an inspector herself so she can continue to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes.

Only then do we see the big grand church wedding as Phoebe and Andy are married, the last scene of the series. It ends with Phoebe throwing her bouquet and both her sisters grabbing for it - but we don't see who catches it.

So, whatcha think?  Hopefully this will help Café members start thinking about our next Team Charmed Café project - CLASSIC CHARMED, DONE OUR WAY!  This is Classic Charmed done MY way - what would yours be like?  Not what you wouldn't want, but what would you like Classic Charmed to have been like?

[Lexi]

Apr 25, 2019 7:14:00 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Looks like a lot of our opinions *aren't* unpopular opinions but ones that we all agree with, since I agree with most of this. It's all reminding me of my own Dream Charmed. I've posted my "Dream Charmed...with Children" a number of times, but this is my *true* Dream Charmed, where I don't include things that I didn’t really want as part of it, like children and halves. If you've already read my three-season version, go ahead and skip it. But if you haven't, I'd like to know what you think of this:

ES' TRUE DREAM CHARMED

Season One is similar to the original with some differences, mainly in the backstory and what comes from it.

Prue has never had a boyfriend because she closed her heart off after the death of her mother. Instead she’s been taking care of her sisters and Grams. Roger isn’t her boyfriend, but just her boss at the museum, a job she keeps during the entire series - nope, no Buckland's.

Piper is the same as the original, except that she was never a banker…she didn’t have to since Prue was the one who took care of Grams. Otherwise, no need to change her or her and Leo’s story.

Phoebe is still the wild child, and is very surprised when she comes back from New York to find out that her just-as-wild high-school boyfriend is now an inspector with the San Francisco Police Department. Andy discovers her secret after she helps him solve a few of his cases. Just like canon Andy, he can accept her as a witch, but not as a wife, at least for now, and since Phoebe is nowhere close to settling down, that’s fine with her, so they become lovers.

Andy's partner, Sheila Morris, wonders why Andy always seems to know what's up with the weird cases, but never learns the sisters' secret.

The other major difference is the finale which combines both “Love Hurts” and “Déjà vu All Over Again”. In order to stop the everlasting time loop, Piper must let Leo die…

After his death, the Charmed Ones no longer need a whitelighter to guide them which they needed during their first year as witches and we never hear the word whitelighter again, nor do we ever hear the word Elder, or, thank God, witchlighter. We never need to find out if dead men can sire children, which I believe would never have happened if Ted King hadn't left the show.

Other than these and the changes that would obviously be needed thanks to them--like the fact that it's Piper who thinks that Phoebe slept with her former boyfriend, Jeremy (who's the one who made her think so...) - the season is pretty much the same. Why change a good thing?


Obviously this changes Season Two, as Piper is the one who mourns her lost love rather than Prue. This is when she goes on strike, just like she did in the beginning of the real Season Three, and just like then, it's when she's almost the cause of a young girl losing her life that she changes her mind. But unlike canon Season Three, Leo is never returned.

But then Dan moves in next door, halfway through the season, with the following episodes similar to the first ones in canon Season Two, but Dan has no reason to be jealous of Leo...only of Piper's memories of him.. Instead, when he finds out that Piper is a witch, he also finds out what Leo was, and can accept that, since he respects Piper's decision for letting Leo die. Much like Henry in canon Season Eight, he decides that he can accept Piper as a witch and Piper finds herself falling for him, big-time, especially because he helps her have a normal life as a normal couple, something Leo could never do. With Dan's help, she decides to quit Quake and instead starts a restaurant of her own - P3.

Meanwhile, Phoebe and Andy continue to solve crimes with the help of her sisters, keeping the focus of the show on those innocent of the reality of magic (my definition of innocents, so anyone who has powers isn't one), as we see all of the innocents and bad guys that we saw in canon Season Two, with the exception of Sam who isn’t part of this--the only reason Victor left is Grams. Phoebe and Andy are still lovers, but don’t even consider marriage, until Phoebe almost dies trying to save one of the victims of one of the crimes they're trying to solve. Andy realizes that he loves her no matter if she's a witch or not and pops the question in a very romantic way, and she accepts.

We also see another bad guy, although if this was truly the first time we’d see the show, we wouldn’t know it. When the sisters end up having to testify at a trial, Prue takes a liking to District Attorney Cole Turner, and he returns the favor. But when he asks her out, she refuses. Only after she meets Cupid and becomes his ring, does she open her heart and accept Cole's offer.

The season finale is an episode similar to “The Honeymoon’s Over”, except, of course, Piper is also part of it, since no one has gone (or could go) Up There without suffocating from the lack of air. This is when we find out that Cole is indeed trying to kill the sisters. Unlike the canon series, he’s not half-demon, he's a warlock who only pretends to care for Prue and simply wants to discover the sisters’ weaknesses so he can destroy them and take their powers. There is no Source or Big Bad in this Charmedverse — the one who comes closest to being that is Cole himself, who is more like a combination of Cole and Zankou, except he's a warlock and not a demon - in this Charmedverse, the only demons are "The Demons of... " who are the opposite of "The Angels of..." and appear as often as the Angels do.

Unlike canon Season Two, since there is no "P3 H20" - no need to show anyone what could happen if a whitelighter falls in love with his charge - Prue never stops working at Buckland's, nor does she ever get her astral projection power. Instead all three sisters are gaining better control of their powers and can use them over larger distances as they work towards having the version of their powers that we saw in canon 'Morality Bites'.  That is indeed part of my series (how could my favorite episode not be?), but it's Andy and Phoebe who have Patty (not Melinda - Phoebe would want to continue the "P" tradition) and Piper who is about to die...

Season Three, the final season of my Dream Charmed, continues to have Phoebe helping Andy and Sheila solve crime, while also planning her wedding to Andy, so we continue to have the Bad Guy of the Week that I love, while also having the Cole story-arc that other fans love, even his fans might not like it as much, since Cole never truly loves a Charmed One, since he's pure warlock and not a half-demon. Meanwhile, Piper and Dan are becoming closer, and Prue thinks that so are she and Cole. Both Prue and Piper hope they're the ones who catch Phoebe's bouquet.

With these exceptions (and Phoebe and Andy not having to fight the Elders in order to get married since Andy's not dead), the season works pretty much like the original except that Piper never gets her explosion power and Phoebe never levitates.

Andy and Phoebe’s wedding happens about halfway through the season, working much like Leo and Piper’s so that Patty and Grams can be part of it (the only time they're corporeal in my Charmedverse), although there’s also plans for a big, huge public church wedding later on, since unlike Leo, Andy isn’t dead.

But rather than Prue interrupting it, it’s Shax who suddenly appears. The sisters vanquish him, but when they check the Book of Shadows, they find that he is just a warlockian hitman, so there is someone a lot worse out there. Phoebe tells Andy that she loves him and still wants to marry him, but only after they find and vanquish Shax’s boss.

The rest of the season works out similar to the original except, of course, there are no honeymooners, Phoebe continues to use her premonitions to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes while the sisters continue to save innocents.

But when Cole almost succeeds in killing the sisters, Prue has to accept the fact that the lawyer she loves is just the mask worn by a warlock who only pretended to love her and only wants her and her sisters' powers. Even though it breaks her heart, she joins her sisters In the grand finale as they battle and finally vanquish him.

The Angel of Destiny shows up and the sisters decide to give up their powers so they can live normal lives, with Prue finally deciding to quit Buckland's so she can try to live her own dream - that of being a professional photographer, something we've seen since the beginning of the series; Piper considering marrying Dan while happily running her restaurant where she's the chef; and Phoebe deciding to go back to school and become an inspector herself so she can continue to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes.

Only then do we see the big grand church wedding as Phoebe and Andy are married, the last scene of the series. It ends with Phoebe throwing her bouquet and both her sisters grabbing for it - but we don't see who catches it.

So, whatcha think?  Hopefully this will help Café members start thinking about our next Team Charmed Café project - CLASSIC CHARMED, DONE OUR WAY!  This is Classic Charmed done MY way - what would yours be like?  Not what you wouldn't want, but what would you like Classic Charmed to be like?

I love reading your Dream Charmed. I'd have to seriously think about mine again. Over the years, opinions have changed and new shows and favorite showrunners giving us new ways of telling stories have certainly affected things. But working on a Classic Charmed, Done Our Way sounds fun.

[Katie Warren]

I look forward to reading this more closely and pulling it apart and responding to it Es on the weekend.

Working on a Classic Charmed, Done Our Way sounds fun. It would especially be fun, if like you guys did with Elemental Charmed, have fun with those press releases?

Opinions do change over the years, and of course, as we age. Might be more for those in their teens and 20s the most, when you have more life experiences.

[Ruth Marie]

Apr 25, 2019 21:49:01 GMT -5 Lexi said:

Apr 25, 2019 7:14:00 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Looks like a lot of our opinions *aren't* unpopular opinions but ones that we all agree with, since I agree with most of this. It's all reminding me of my own Dream Charmed. I've posted my "Dream Charmed...with Children" a number of times, but this is my *true* Dream Charmed, where I don't include things that I didn’t really want as part of it, like children and halves. If you've already read my three-season version, go ahead and skip it. But if you haven't, I'd like to know what you think of this:

So, whatcha think?  Hopefully this will help Café members start thinking about our next Team Charmed Café project - CLASSIC CHARMED, DONE OUR WAY!  This is Classic Charmed done MY way - what would yours be like?  Not what you wouldn't want, but what would you like Classic Charmed to be like?

I love reading your Dream Charmed. I'd have to seriously think about mine again. Over the years, opinions have changed and new shows and favorite showrunners giving us new ways of telling stories have certainly affected things. But working on a Classic Charmed, Done Our Way sounds fun.

Same, love reading your Dream Charmed, which I've seen before. Makes me think of my own one, which I haven't quite finished. 

Classic Charmed, Done Our way will be fun, too. 

[summerreading]

Apr 25, 2019 22:50:05 GMT -5 Katie Warren said:

I look forward to reading this more closely and pulling it apart and responding to it Es on the weekend.

Working on a Classic Charmed, Done Our Way sounds fun. It would especially be fun, if like you guys did with Elemental Charmed, have fun with those press releases?

Opinions do change over the years, and of course, as we age. Might be more for those in their teens and 20s the most, when you have more life experiences.

Hope you have a chance to read it Katie soon. 

Yes that is the plan with this next Team Charmed Project, hope you can join in and have fun.

That they would. Opinions change over 20 years since it first aired.

[Esmeralda]

Apr 25, 2019 22:50:05 GMT -5 Katie Warren said:

I look forward to reading this more closely and pulling it apart and responding to it Es on the weekend.

Can't wait to see what you think of it, Katie! I'm sure there will be comes stuff you like and some stuff you don't, and that's perfectly AOK - all the fun of being fans!

If you haven't read my "Dream Charmed...with Children" (similar to this one, but it goes 7 seasons and includes halves) and the idea interests you, let me know and I'll post it for you.

Working on a Classic Charmed, Done Our Way sounds fun. It would especially be fun, if like you guys did with Elemental Charmed, have fun with those press releases?

Oh, I'm sure we will - it's so much easier for a lot of members to work on something where you just summarize the episodes rather than having to write them all out like Summer's doing with her Charmed: ReImagined. AND Pheebs has talked about looking up old press releases for Classic Charmed and rewrite them to fit our new series the way she rewrote Rip-Off Charmed press releases for Elemental Charmed. She's excited about getting to use the real actors.

Opinions do change over the years, and of course, as we age. Might be more for those in their teens and 20s the most, when you have more life experiences.

Exactly so. That's why I've been so surprised when I've shared the reviews from the re-watch I did a number of years ago - I'm SHOCKED by how much my views have changed in just a few years!

[Katie Warren]

Apr 27, 2019 16:17:43 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Apr 25, 2019 22:50:05 GMT -5 Katie Warren said:

I look forward to reading this more closely and pulling it apart and responding to it Es on the weekend.

Can't wait to see what you think of it, Katie! I'm sure there will be comes stuff you like and some stuff you don't, and that's perfectly AOK - all the fun of being fans!

Me too. I'm sure something might not agree with me, but something I'm sure will. Just the fun part of being a fan. We all see and like Charmed differently. 

If you haven't read my "Dream Charmed...with Children" (similar to this one, but it goes 7 seasons and includes halves) and the idea interests you, let me know and I'll post it for you.

I'll keep this in mind, when I finish reading the other one first. I'll keep you posted. 

Working on a Classic Charmed, Done Our Way sounds fun. It would especially be fun, if like you guys did with Elemental Charmed, have fun with those press releases?

Oh, I'm sure we will - it's so much easier for a lot of members to work on something where you just summarize the episodes rather than having to write them all out like Summer's doing with her Charmed: ReImagined. AND Pheebs has talked about looking up old press releases for Classic Charmed and rewrite them to fit our new series the way she rewrote Rip-Off Charmed press releases for Elemental Charmed. She's excited about getting to use the real actors.

I do think that is true, and not like how Summer did hers. I find if we did it like how Summer has done hers, we'll never finish it, and people might give up on it, at least it seems the press releases and summaries get done. 

That would be fantastic if Pheebs does those, and be able to use the real actors. I'll be interested to see these.

Opinions do change over the years, and of course, as we age. Might be more for those in their teens and 20s the most, when you have more life experiences.

Exactly so. That's why I've been so surprised when I've shared the reviews from the re-watch I did a number of years ago - I'm SHOCKED by how much my views have changed in just a few years!

If your reviews can change in just a few years, I find that more shocking than a decade or two between a re-watch. 

I've never meet anybody who watched Charmed starting from the Silent Generation born before 1946 and earlier, since members like you and Granny come from the Baby Boomer Generation right and are the oldest members at this Cafe? I'm sure their views would be different than anybody here. But I presume the Silent Generation would never have seen Charmed at all when it aired, it might not have appealed to them at all, someone who was late 60s and 70s in the late 90s and early 00s. 

Although most of the producers from Charmed were from the Silent Generation right?

Maybe a new thread to start putting the age generations and seeing where we all fall into at the Cafe?

[Esmeralda]

Apr 27, 2019 18:38:19 GMT -5 Katie Warren said:

Apr 27, 2019 16:17:43 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Can't wait to see what you think of it, Katie! I'm sure there will be comes stuff you like and some stuff you don't, and that's perfectly AOK - all the fun of being fans!

Me too. I'm sure something might not agree with me, but something I'm sure will. Just the fun part of being a fan. We all see and like Charmed differently. 

Well, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what agrees with you and what doesn't.

If you haven't read my "Dream Charmed...with Children" (similar to this one, but it goes 7 seasons and includes halves) and the idea interests you, let me know and I'll post it for you.

I'll keep this in mind, when I finish reading the other one first. I'll keep you posted. 

*nods* Sounds good.

Oh, I'm sure we will - it's so much easier for a lot of members to work on something where you just summarize the episodes rather than having to write them all out like Summer's doing with her Charmed: ReImagined. AND Pheebs has talked about looking up old press releases for Classic Charmed and rewrite them to fit our new series the way she rewrote Rip-Off Charmed press releases for Elemental Charmed. She's excited about getting to use the real actors.

I do think that is true, and not like how Summer did hers. I find if we did it like how Summer has done hers, we'll never finish it, and people might give up on it, at least it seems the press releases and summaries get done. 

That would be fantastic if Pheebs does those, and be able to use the real actors. I'll be interested to see these.

Oh, yes, you'll never know how many projects I've been part of where we came up with all sorts of ideas but as soon as we started actually writing it out, it never got finished.  Now doing something on your own, like Summer is doing, that's totally different.  But for a project like what Team Charmed Café has been doing, doing it either as an Episode Guide or in Press-Release style just makes so much more sense!  The fact that we did 100 episodes in 8 months proves that!

Exactly so. That's why I've been so surprised when I've shared the reviews from the re-watch I did a number of years ago - I'm SHOCKED by how much my views have changed in just a few years!

If your reviews can change in just a few years, I find that more shocking than a decade or two between a re-watch. 

I've never meet anybody who watched Charmed starting from the Silent Generation born before 1946 and earlier, since members like you and Granny come from the Baby Boomer Generation right and are the oldest members at this Cafe? I'm sure their views would be different than anybody here. But I presume the Silent Generation would never have seen Charmed at all when it aired, it might not have appealed to them at all, someone who was late 60s and 70s in the late 90s and early 00s. 

Although most of the producers from Charmed were from the Silent Generation right?

Maybe a new thread to start putting the age generations and seeing where we all fall into at the Cafe?

I'm trying to remember how old Shadow Cat is - if any of our members were part of the Silent Generation, I think it would be her.  The rest, if they were part of the Cafe, moved on to other shows after Charmed ended.  Yes, Granny Charmed is our oldest member (70, I believe) and I'm the second-oldest at 65, 66 in July. I think we stuck with it because she fell in love with Grams and I fell in love with Patty - I always felt like I was Patty looking down watching my daughters.

 In fact when I first joined the Café, sometime during S5 (this was when it was still the message board part of a now-dead site called thecharmedones.com.) I wanted to be Patty, but all versions of that name were taken and I didn't want to add a number to my name.  So I chose my favorite "witchy" name, Esmeralda (after a character on Bewitched and a cartoon witch) and added Wyatt since, as I said before, if Piper didn't want to take his last name, I did, especially because at that time, Leo was my favorite male character, the way Patty was my favorite female character until a number of years after the series ended, someone pointed out that in that beautiful Christmas video, Patty was already pregnant with Paige while still married to Victor. 

Since then I don't really have a favorite female except maybe Melinda Warren, Maggie Murphy and Kyra, since as my signature shows, I love different sisters at different times.  If it only went three seasons as I think it should've (not due to Prue vs Paige but due to the changes in Piper and Phoebe), my favorite would be Phoebs., and my favorite couple would be Piper and Leo.  That all changed in Season Four and badly influenced my reactions towards the characters in S1-3 since I keep remembering the horrible people they turned into.

It's why I love your ideas for CLASSIC CHARMED - DONE OUR WAY - it lets us start at Season Four while letting them remain the sisters we love because they won't be based on Holly's idealized version of Piper and Leo or Alyssa's idealized version of Phoebe and Cole!  I am hoping that since we've already introduced halves that Leo and Cole will be part of it so their fans might be part of this one, too.  Of course those who like Piper, Leo, Phoebe and Cole in S4-8 might not want to, but hopefully they decide to do their own version...

[Katie Warren]

Apr 28, 2019 9:56:08 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Apr 27, 2019 18:38:19 GMT -5 Katie Warren said:

Me too. I'm sure something might not agree with me, but something I'm sure will. Just the fun part of being a fan. We all see and like Charmed differently. 

Well, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what agrees with you and what doesn't.

And I'll finally be reading S1 this morning, and comment on it at the end of this reply.

KATIE: I'll keep this in mind, when I finish reading the other one first. I'll keep you posted.

ES: *nods* Sounds good.

KATIE: I do think that is true, and not like how Summer did hers. I find if we did it like how Summer has done hers, we'll never finish it, and people might give up on it, at least it seems the press releases and summaries get done. 

That would be fantastic if Pheebs does those, and be able to use the real actors. I'll be interested to see these.

ES: Oh, yes, you'll never know how many projects I've been part of where we came up with all sorts of ideas but as soon as we started actually writing it out, it never got finished.  Now doing something on your own, like Summer is doing, that's totally different.  But for a project like what Team Charmed Café has been doing, doing it either as an Episode Guide or in Press-Release style just makes so much more sense!  The fact that we did 100 episodes in 8 months proves that!

Well said, that really is for the better. I hate reading fanfics or virtual series that are incomplete. But the fact, you guys managed to pull off 100 episodes in 8 months, proves you have a working formula.

KATIE: If your reviews can change in just a few years, I find that more shocking than a decade or two between a re-watch. 

I've never meet anybody who watched Charmed starting from the Silent Generation born before 1946 and earlier, since members like you and Granny come from the Baby Boomer Generation right and are the oldest members at this Cafe? I'm sure their views would be different than anybody here. But I presume the Silent Generation would never have seen Charmed at all when it aired, it might not have appealed to them at all, someone who was late 60s and 70s in the late 90s and early 00s. 

Although most of the producers from Charmed were from the Silent Generation right?

Maybe a new thread to start putting the age generations and seeing where we all fall into at the Cafe?

ES: I'm trying to remember how old Shadow Cat is - if any of our members were part of the Silent Generation, I think it would be her.  The rest, if they were part of the Cafe, moved on to other shows after Charmed ended.  Yes, Granny Charmed is our oldest member (70, I believe) and I'm the second-oldest at 65, 66 in July. I think we stuck with it because she fell in love with Grams and I fell in love with Patty - I always felt like I was Patty looking down watching my daughters.

That is very cool if she is, and your right that a majority if they were have moved on, and that is just common, lots of people drift away from shows when they are no longer on air.

I can see how you two would feel that way. I'm sure most of us who watched it when it was on air, are feeling much older and it's weird to think that some of us are older than the sisters, when we were about the same age or younger when it aired.

 ES: In fact when I first joined the Café, sometime during S5 (this was when it was still the message board part of a now-dead site called thecharmedones.com.) I wanted to be Patty, but all versions of that name were taken and I didn't want to add a number to my name.  So I chose my favorite "witchy" name, Esmeralda (after a character on Bewitched and a cartoon witch) and added Wyatt since, as I said before, if Piper didn't want to take his last name, I did, especially because at that time, Leo was my favorite male character, the way Patty was my favorite female character until a number of years after the series ended, someone pointed out that in that beautiful Christmas video, Patty was already pregnant with Paige while still married to Victor. 

Don't you just hate when that happens with names, and for me, I couldn't take Katie, but I love Katie Warren.

Doesn't that just make you sad, thinking that great Christmas video that Patty was already pregnant with Paige. I'd so have been happier if Paige was the older half-sister, who Patty had as a teenager, least that way Piper and Phoebe don't get forced into the older sister and middle sister roles, when they shouldn't change just because of circumstance, you can't change what you grew up as.

ES: Since then I don't really have a favorite female except maybe Melinda Warren, Maggie Murphy and Kyra, since as my signature shows, I love different sisters at different times.  If it only went three seasons as I think it should've (not due to Prue vs Paige but due to the changes in Piper and Phoebe), my favorite would be Phoebs., and my favorite couple would be Piper and Leo.  That all changed in Season Four and badly influenced my reactions towards the characters in S1-3 since I keep remembering the horrible people they turned into.

Yeah, that is part of what made those later seasons so horrible. I can't like Piper and Phoebe no more. I've spoken about this on other forums.

This is what I shared.

1. Favorite Season?

Season 1

2. Least Favorite Season?

Season 6

3. What do you love most about your favorite Season and why?

The series had the perfect blend in S1, it really felt magical, but at the same time real. I loved the supporting cast in Andy and Darryl. I loved Phoebe's character best when she loves magic and doesn't have a boyfriend. I love sweet and innocent Piper before whiny Piper when she marries Leo and has children, and I loved Prue starting to soften up.

4. Why do you dislike your least favorite season and why?

Season 6, I just didn't enjoy the sisters in this one. So many horrible episodes and the Chris story made no sense.

5. Do you have any other favorite/least favorite seasons?

Loved: Season 2
Disliked: Season 8

6. Grade each season out of 5?
Season 1 - 5/5
Season 2 - 4.5/5
Season 3 - 4/5
Season 4 - 3/5
Season 5 - 2.5/5
Season 6 - 0.5/5
Season 7 - 3/5
Season 8 - 1/5

Which is why, I'm curious if this still holds true with the re-re-watch and re-watch at this board.

ES: It's why I love your ideas for CLASSIC CHARMED - DONE OUR WAY - it lets us start at Season Four while letting them remain the sisters we love because they won't be based on Holly's idealized version of Piper and Leo or Alyssa's idealized version of Phoebe and Cole!  I am hoping that since we've already introduced halves that Leo and Cole will be part of it so their fans might be part of this one, too.  Of course those who like Piper, Leo, Phoebe and Cole in S4-8 might not want to, but hopefully they decide to do their own version...

I'm so glad you did, it was so much fun joining the re-re-watch group.

That's true, you can't please everyone, so I'll hope they do their own version. I do like this set-up, and really I think the ideas we have for Leo and Cole are fantastic. Hope other members can add their input and ideas.

---

I finally have time to read some of the Dream Charmed. I'll do S1 this morning.

ES' TRUE DREAM CHARMED

Season One is similar to the original with some differences, mainly in the backstory and what comes from it.

Prue has never had a boyfriend because she closed her heart off after the death of her mother. Instead she’s been taking care of her sisters and Grams. Roger isn’t her boyfriend, but just her boss at the museum, a job she keeps during the entire series - nope, no Buckland's.

Very interesting. I can see how this would be done, but I've never seen such an idea for Prue like this.

Piper is the same as the original, except that she was never a banker…she didn’t have to since Prue was the one who took care of Grams. Otherwise, no need to change her or her and Leo’s story.

With your changes to Prue, this makes sense.

Phoebe is still the wild child, and is very surprised when she comes back from New York to find out that her just-as-wild high-school boyfriend is now an inspector with the San Francisco Police Department. Andy discovers her secret after she helps him solve a few of his cases. Just like canon Andy, he can accept her as a witch, but not as a wife, at least for now, and since Phoebe is nowhere close to settling down, that’s fine with her, so they become lovers.

Phoebe and Andy. What a interesting pairing, I've always thought Piper and Andy could work, but interested where this goes.

Andy's partner, Sheila Morris, wonders why Andy always seems to know what's up with the weird cases, but never learns the sisters' secret.

Sheila, I LOVE this. Especially because it lets us have more female supporting characters.

The other major difference is the finale which combines both “Love Hurts” and “Déjà vu All Over Again”. In order to stop the everlasting time loop, Piper must let Leo die…

Now, if Andy doesn't die, we'll this fits.

After his death, the Charmed Ones no longer need a whitelighter to guide them which they needed during their first year as witches and we never hear the word whitelighter again, nor do we ever hear the word Elder, or, thank God, witchlighter. We never need to find out if dead men can sire children, which I believe would never have happened if Ted King hadn't left the show.

Don't I wish this were true.

Other than these and the changes that would obviously be needed thanks to them--like the fact that it's Piper who thinks that Phoebe slept with her former boyfriend, Jeremy (who's the one who made her think so...) - the season is pretty much the same. Why change a good thing?

Yeah, why change a good thing.

I'll read S2 another time, when I can.

[Piper3]

1. Phoebe and Cole could have and should have worked.
2. I love Chris' character being Piper and Leo's son but I do not like the way he was introduced or his issues with Leo. I also think the information about Piper dying when he was 14 was completely unnecessary and maybe would have liked to see him have more issues with Piper for favoring Wyatt. I also would have liked to see him more powerful in some sort and not just in this secondary role to Wyatt.
3. Seasons 4-7, end of season 8, were just as good as seasons 1-3.
4. Prue is not my favorite sister
5. I really enjoyed the end of season 6

[gleamingroses]

1. Despite her utter annoyance in later Seasons I think Piper is somewhat underrated. Let me explain. I think Piper is very unappreciated in Season 4. Sure in the later half I didn't exactly like that she didn't believe Paige, but a lot of her flaws were toned down this season. Toward the end of Season 3 she started to get more whiny as far as the normal life thing with (Exit Strategy being the prime example) showcasing the shades of future Piper. However considering they only lasted a couple scenes and then began to shift focus it could be somewhat tolerated. (hated when she smashed the lamp in Death Takes a Halliwell) however come Season 4 and aside from Brain Drain her normal life schtick is tone down in favor of transitioning from middle to eldest sister, she has great performances in the earlier episodes (especially Hell Hath No Fury) and despite having her exploding power she shifts between using it and freezing, unlike Season 5 onward where exploding becomes power of 1. These are some notable improvements to the character that I don't think a lot of people notice or see. 

Piper in Season 4 is very underrated and people don't exactly give her enough credit. Especially scenes where she tries to mediate Paige when Phoebe is being awful toward her. I enjoy her teamup episodes with Paige like Saving Private Leo, Love Live the Queen, Bite Me etc She even has nice moments with her at the end of Bite Me and Long Live the Queen. Plus her treatment of Leo is very tone down, in fact their love in Season 4 reminds me of earlier seasons. Look at when Piper supports him in Saving Private Leo or them working on having a kid for instance. There isn't a scene where she's overly harsh or Leo's her lapdog. 

2. Season 4 in general is underrated. It's a very love it or hate it season, some find it perfectly fitting to be compared with Seasons 1-3 the Prue era, while others think its good in the first half, but second half makes it Charmed's downfall. I don't agree. Sure the first half is where Season 4 shines, however even if the second half is infuriating it largely has to do with just Phoebe. Phoebe is really the only problem in later Season 4, the Source/Seer stuff is generally interesting and something the show hasn't done. It's really only obnoxious if you look at the point of view of Phoebe/Cole otherwise I think the darker tone and characters of Paige and Piper are really good. I consider season 4 an extension of Season 3 (I mean the first half literally retains the same cinematography as Season 3) it's just the stuff with Phoebe especially in the later half.

Season 4 also gives an Author's Saving Throw in regards to the sisters dying so much by having the lowest death count of the series being 1. Piper in "Saving Private Leo" which is an improvement even compared to earlier seasons. That's just me of course.

3. Yes I'm a Piper defender somewhat. But I think she's underrated in the later half of Season 6 and Season 7. Hear me out, Piper's normal life whining is at an all time low in Season 6, but once Legend of Sleepy Halliwell rolls around and Holly becomes heavenly pregnant she's largely reduced to magic school where she's softer spoken, plus her and Leo being separated means she barely has a chance to harp on him. Season 6 is by no means a good season and Piper is unbearable in the first half especially My Three Witches (get a grip girl) but when she's reduced to magic school she's not that bad, though I know this is because pregnancy saved her. In Season 7 when Leo becomes mortal I do enjoy how she's supportive of him rather than nagging housewife (though she's still sitcom housewife like) Idk Piper's my favorite sister but there's a love/hate going on because she can be really annoying and was still a terrible mother. Whereas Phoebe is consistently annoying from Sleuthing with the Enemy onwards. And once she gets her advice column she almost never shuts up about it and makes it a priority over everything.

4. I like Piper's exploding power. I think we all could agree Piper's exploding power wasn't good. It virtually turned her into the power of one, however I enjoy it for giving her an actual move to vanquish demons with I just hated the execution in how it was the show's "win button" for later seasons. I also missed in Seasons 3 and 4 where it was more exploding instead of literally having fiery flares it took the appeal away. Plus to Season 4's credit as stated above she does switch between freezing and blasting, which is more than what I can say for Season 5-8.

5. Piper and Leo got married to early. I'm sorry but I hated the fact they got married mid-season 3 it was way too soon. They should've married at least Season 6 and Wyatt should've been born around Season 7 or 8. Or the finale.

6. Couldn't stand Phoebe and Cole together - think he'd be a lot better with Prue or Paige. Honestly I think Cole would've been happier with Prue and their contrast could've worked. It would've given Prue a lot more perspective in trusting people outside of the black and white "Good vs Evil" or even Paige as well.

[fallingsnow6136]

Wow I have a lot of unpopular opinions. I actually liked Season 8, at least the second half of it, the only thing I didn't like was the fake identity stuff because it didn't feel needed but Rewitched onwards, I liked it. I also think Christy needed to die and couldn't be saved. *ducks from tomatoes being thrown* Hear me out. A lot of people say they could have bound Christy's powers but when has that ever worked for anyone? Phoebe tried that with Cole and it still didn't work. Christy would have always been a threat. She manipulated her own sister, lied to her about the Charmed Ones. Yeah, she was brainwashed into doing it but she could not be redeemed. I would say Billie can't be either but she was more of a victim and she did kill her own sister to save the future so I feel that makes her a bit more redeemable. The next one is I think Piper sucks as the oldest sister. I love Piper but she is clear-cut proof that a team falls without a good leader. Paige acted more like a leader in S8 than either Piper or Phoebe did. I did like the fact that Piper and Paige felt more like sisters than they did in other seasons which was nice.

[Aaeiyn]

I LOVE unpopular opinion threads!  I'm usually the queen of it!  OK, here we go!

I don't think Piper is as bad as people are making her out to be.  For the most part, she's remained somewhat consistent in constantly complaining about having a magical life, since S1.  I don't understand why this is some new concept of her character, all of sudden, after Prue leaves.  Perhaps, Prue's strong appearance may have cloaked Piper's personality, a little bit, but if you really pay attention, this isn't anything new about Piper's character, but I digress.  I (also) don't think it's selfish of Piper to care more about her family than strangers.  I think it's selfish of us to expect her to stop taking care of her family to help strangers, IMO.  I think after losing Prue, she was just over being a witch.  I think she came to the realization what the magical community expects from them, and how reckless (not to mention unempathetic) they were about them, as people.  I think Piper is fine, for the most part (aside from the occasional verbal abuse against Leo and using a poor man's heart, Dan, in the name of "normalcy").  I can appreciate a consistent character (which is hard to do for a show, especially one that lasted 8 seasons).

I actually don't mind Phoebe's short hair in S6.  I think it actually suits her LOL I'm one of the few who thinks PhoeMe didn't really begin until S4E14 "The Three Faces of Phoebe" and felt it normal for Phoebe to lie to her own sisters.  I've provided so much evidence here: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/13271/s4e14-faces-phoebe-phoebes-downfall , in why I disagree with her character "descending" in S3.  There's nothing that Phoebe did, in S3, that she wouldn't do normally, and I don't understand why people think she's no longer Phoebe in S3, but I digress.

I actually really like Paige and think it's unfair to resent her character because of the stigma that her character represents which is "the Prue replacement".  She's what made the later seasons interesting.  I still think in S4, she was a rather weak character who wasn't sure of herself, but that all changed in S5, when she stopped caring about getting approval from Piper & Phoebe and just did whatever she thought was right.  And, that trait was consistent from S5-S8.

I actually think Prue is the most inconsistent sister, of them all.  Her personality seemed to have change every single season.  I don't understand exactly what she's supposed to be.  However, I will say that I still like her character despite not quite understanding what exactly it is she's supposed to represent.  She has no...flow...but, I definitely like her S3 Superwitch, persona, and it's the main reason I (aside from Phoebe & Cole) watch S3, a lot.

I like Billie.  I even wrote out a defense post, for her, here: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/13269/defense-billie .  I believe she deserved a better focused ending than crying about killing her own sister (as devastating as it was).  Last thing we see from her, aside from crying about killing her sister is babysitting Phoebe's children.  I thought that was messed up, and I wanted more closure, for her character, but I (also) understand the series isn't about her, either but still LOL

I (also) like Brody and wished we got more of him.  He is a Whitelighter and should be making appearances, IMO.  He could've easily married Paige.

I don't like Drake, Coop nor Dan.

I don't hate the later seasons as much as other people.

I wanted more involvement with characters that weren't the sisters, particularly some prior characters from earlier seasons like Aviva, Ava, Enola, etc.  Perhaps, some of the innocents that died didn't need to die like Lydia, Bianca, Brenda, etc.  All could've been a part of this awesome sisterhood, that expands beyond the realm of the biological.  Which is probably why I didn't mind "darker" Leo, at least in S6-S7.  It gave him more depth than just a "Yes Man".

I'm not upset with Phoebe & Paige setting up Rick to die.  And, I actually do think Phoebe felt guilty about it, unlike Paige.

Because I watch S7 so much, I began liking Leslie despite disliking him, prior LOL

I like Greg the Fireman, Bianca, Chris and Enola.

I love Billie & J.D. so much and was upset that it was so short-lived

That's all I can think about, for now.

EDIT: I (also) don't mind the "new" Charmed theme song, as heard when watching the show through streaming services.  It's the same theme from S8.

EDIT 2: I'm (also) not super upset, if later Charmed has the lack of the "sisterly" bond.  It's nice, when it's there, otherwise I much enjoy them vanquishing demons.  It's not a "deal breaker", for me.

[fallingsnow6136]

Okay so my biggest unpopular opinion is I like S8 more than I like S7 especially in regards to how the sisters. Malice in Wonderland was one of my favourite episodes.

[Aaeiyn]

Sept 12, 2021 18:44:33 GMT -5 fallingsnow6136 said:

Okay so my biggest unpopular opinion is I like S8 more than I like S7 especially in regards to how the sisters. Malice in Wonderland was one of my favourite episodes.

I would like this episode, if it wasn't for Phoebe narrating it like Charmed is now Sex and the City >_>