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Post by jdpm1991 on Mar 12, 2016 15:56:03 GMT -5
Would the Charmed Ones had enjoyed magic a lot more if they could use it for their personal gain without hurting innocents?
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 12, 2016 16:30:38 GMT -5
Would the Charmed Ones had enjoyed magic a lot more if they could use it for their personal gain without hurting innocents? But, of course! Why wouldn't they? As is, their magic was a burden when it should've been a blessing. |
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Post by yinsoul on Mar 12, 2016 16:49:07 GMT -5
Yes!
I hated the 'personal gain' rule, honestly; no other witchy show went on and on about it. Why did the elders even have this rule? All it would do is frustrate your people (that you're making fight and bleed and die for a war they probably never asked for, by the way) that they can't use these same powers for a little relief from day to day life. Especially when the 'other side' could do with their powers as they pleased. I understand the 'don't blow up the mortals because they took your parking space' and 'respect your powers' angles, but come on.
If there ever was a 'primary rule' it should be to keep the secret. I've harped on the sisters for being jerks to those they saved in the later seasons, when they bothered, but its more of a "You obviously hate doing this, why even bother helping then?" kind of thing. I think if they had been allowed to do more with their powers (not the super dubious stuff like turning people into pigs and oh, CHANGING THE WORLD) they could have found more balance and happiness in the whole thing. I couldn't guarantee I'd be graceful with cool powers and only being able to use them to save my miserable life. Let me spring clean with a snap of my fingers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 17:33:18 GMT -5
Paige could walk up to an ATM Machine, hold out her hands, and say "Money!" The money would orb into her hands, and she would just walk away.
How could they prove robbery had taken place, with no forced entry. As long as Paige was careful not to let the cameras catch her orbing, she'd be in the clear.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 12, 2016 18:44:11 GMT -5
Well I think the Personal Gain rule is fine cause I think you don't want to rely on magic for everything in life there's no glory in it. How would you learn or enjoy something if everything was just handed to you?
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Post by yinsoul on Mar 12, 2016 19:24:24 GMT -5
Would it really be like that though?
Harry Potter, Secret Circle, Witches of East End, and less witchy stuff like X-Men and other superhero fare have people using their powers casually enough. Even in Animorphs, a sci fi series I read as a kid and which could be horribly serious about the realities of war, had the protags goofing around with their powers now and then. All these people still have to struggle and work for things, and their magic has its own rules, not enforced, it seems, by such a fallible source as Elders but more of the nature of the powers themselves.
Maybe its more I feel that the rule shouldn't be so arbitrary. You shouldn't be able to do what Tim said (but then I don't even think demons did that, as they had a whole money laundering thing going on in season 4). But you shouldn't feel absolutely restricted, feeling like your magic, your very birthright, is just this huge burden that all you can do with is learn a little bit about and fight with. And then you helplessly pass it on, knowing just the same that your descendants will find much more strife than joy and exploratory wonder in what you give them.
Sounds like a curse to me.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 12, 2016 19:46:34 GMT -5
Well by the end of the show all they did was pretty much use it for personal gain and they had no serious consequences, because they "deserved" a free pass after "ALL" they'd been through.
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Post by yinsoul on Mar 12, 2016 20:10:35 GMT -5
Well by the end of the show all they did was pretty much use it for personal gain and they had no serious consequences, because they "deserved" a free pass after "ALL" they'd been through. Kinda renders the whole rule moot doesn't it? Though I guess its more 'being entitled' than any issue with the powers themselves. I do wish Piper especially could have found real peace with her identity, but the way this rule came down on them sort of short circuited it. I think of that comic picture of her calmly using her powers to heat up a soup. Its a rare moment of comfort there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:46:38 GMT -5
Yet another show "rule" that the writers messed up. In the Pilot, Phoebe said that the Wiccan Rede instructed, 'An' in harm none, do what ye will' which I interpret to mean one can do as they wish with their powers so long as they do not harm anyone in the process. This soon morphed into 'no magic for any personal gain' in the next episode when Phoebe tries to use one of her visions to win the lottery. Now, I can see why that would be constitute as 'harmful' as she received that vision specifically to help the old couple. In fact, premonition would be a difficult power to use for one's own gain anyway. But as for freezing random people or orbing things to you, there was no need for the personal gain rule, especially when it was used so inconsistently.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Mar 13, 2016 7:31:42 GMT -5
Phoebe had the most problem with this rule, because her power was that way as Deano had described. The other two were left out with this dilemma, partly.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 13, 2016 12:10:02 GMT -5
My view is as long as you don't harm anyone with you're powers or use them to gain money via the lottery like Phoebe did seeing the numbers and buying a ticket herself unless you gave it away to charity or helped someone with it and got a job over another more qualified than you then you should be able to use them whatever and whenever you want.
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Post by sol on Mar 14, 2016 2:10:22 GMT -5
Winning that lottery ticket Phoebe'ld tamper who was really devoting to win, same thing for the job
But I think the real rule was " harm none, do what you will" as the personal gain fear was an Elders's ploy to control them
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 15, 2016 0:45:00 GMT -5
Well by the end of the show all they did was pretty much use it for personal gain and they had no serious consequences, because they "deserved" a free pass after "ALL" they'd been through. *roll eyes* That just shows how human the Elders had become, one of Brad Kern's worse errors, because it allowed the Charmed Ones to be more demonic than the demons, part of why I dislike the latter seasons so much. Letting them truly follow "Harm none, do what ye will" as long as it doesn't expose magic, would've made a heckova lot more sense. |
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Post by sol on Mar 15, 2016 16:33:14 GMT -5
The Elders have placed the personal gain story to maintain control, I think they wanted to govern the witches, not only help
By the way, when had the Elders been an help to the sisters?
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 15, 2016 20:52:02 GMT -5
The Elders have placed the personal gain story to maintain control, I think they wanted to govern the witches, not only help By the way, when had the Elders been an help to the sisters? LOL, so very true. Especially once they became Elders rather than They. |
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Post by West on Mar 15, 2016 20:52:35 GMT -5
Why I much prefer how other witch shows do the personal gain rule. I just hated Charmed versions.
I see no harm and using magic unless it hurts someone, then that's bad. Like is it bad for them to use magic to repair damages to the manor due to demon fights, or Phoebe for instance winning the lottery and giving the money to charity or for a good cause. I see no harm in her using magic to help a homeless person or an innocent who was injured due to a demon attack, by using magic to help them.
I agree with others with "Harm none, do what ye will" as long as it doesn't expose magic or hurt people in the process, would've made way more sense.
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 16, 2016 1:46:26 GMT -5
Until the Elders were unknown and mysterious entity, the magic seemed to self-regulate itself, the Phoebe lottery ticket is an exampl
Not that there was something wrong with winning the lottery, an event dominated by Chance and Fortune, but maybe because the same magic fear the excesses of power, but maybe because the same magic fears all the power that you may be tempted to get
Magic seemed provided with a scamp sense of humor, see busty Paige in Hell Hath No Fury, able to prevent potential excesses
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Post by universalcharmed on Mar 23, 2016 0:36:44 GMT -5
I believe the whole personal gain thing had more to do with things back firing. That made sense, like Paige spell on the dude or etc. It is like making a wish with a Genie. If you aren't specific and take everything into consideration there may be unforseen consquences.
As far as Phoebe losing her active powers(She never lost her ability to case spells and what not), I believe that had more to do with her emotional state then personal gain as most if not all her power came back. Also I don't believe it is the elders that govern what counts as personal gain or not but a higher power.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 13:13:16 GMT -5
Why I much prefer how other witch shows do the personal gain rule. I just hated Charmed versions. I see no harm and using magic unless it hurts someone, then that's bad. Like is it bad for them to use magic to repair damages to the manor due to demon fights, or Phoebe for instance winning the lottery and giving the money to charity or for a good cause. I see no harm in her using magic to help a homeless person or an innocent who was injured due to a demon attack, by using magic to help them. I agree with others with "Harm none, do what ye will" as long as it doesn't expose magic or hurt people in the process, would've made way more sense. Exactly. How do the Elders expect witches to be able to afford to replace banisters, walls, windows, tvs and couches every single week, especially if they are running out of their jobs constantly to fight demons, they'd never be able to hold down a job! And the Halliwells are relatively well off, what if you were poor? |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 23, 2016 13:22:45 GMT -5
Then some people could say why work then when you can just create money out of thin air even though logical people would say that's wrong obviously.
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