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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 11:20:31 GMT -5
Should Paige even have come in at 4x01 or should her intro have been delayed? ? At the very least, I wouldn't have wanted Paige to move into the manor until the Season 4 finale. I think we both agree that Paige's introduction should've been a slower process. However, Kern wanted to jump straight back into the Phoebe/Cole/Source storyline he had already been planning before Shannen was fired, so Paige's introduction was extremely rushed and she was literally just plopped right into Prue's old role as if nothing happened. I think most fans would've preferred to see either A) the Phoebe/Cole/Source storyline delayed to Season 5, or B) Shannen staying on the show and Season 4 going along as originally planned. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 11:35:29 GMT -5
As I said, once Shannen was fired, the whole Cole/Source thing should have either been dropped or delayed. Paige needed more time to be developed, and she didn't get it.
For the second half of Season Four, she stopped being a new character and just became a Prue fill-in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 14:58:07 GMT -5
As I said, once Shannen was fired, the whole Cole/Source thing should have either been dropped or delayed. Paige needed more time to be developed, and she didn't get it. For the second half of Season Four, she stopped being a new character and just became a Prue fill-in. Well, remember how long it took for Prue, Piper, and Phoebe to become established as characters? Paige needed that exact same amount of time to become settled in. |
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Post by unakite on Apr 6, 2016 17:31:29 GMT -5
IMO, this season was too much dedicated to Paige
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 20:32:09 GMT -5
IMO, this season was too much dedicated to Paige Really, you think so? I thought the latter half of the season, at least, was pretty much 100% Phoebe/Cole. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 0:06:26 GMT -5
I don't know what show you were watching, but it sure wasn't the fourth season of Charmed. The whole second half of the season was Phoebe/Cole all the way.
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Post by unakite on Apr 7, 2016 9:49:48 GMT -5
I was watching the season 4, if I think different, it's my right
The second part of the season 4 is about black magic and love, of what for a short time seems a victory of evil forces because a Charmed Ones becomes Queen of Uderworld and how the sisters react
It's a colletctive story, Paige, as a new sister, should be less involved, have a less central role
As we know, a timeworn story, there was no time to change an already written season that would have as its center the drama of three sisters with Prue I mean and Paie was got in a part not suited for her character
An unknown half sister should have had more time to get into their business, magic and not
I remember that, as Prue fan, I would have preferred another approach with this new sister
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 10:38:57 GMT -5
The second part of the season 4 is about black magic and love, of what for a short time seems a victory of evil forces because a Charmed Ones becomes Queen of Uderworld and how the sisters react It's a colletctive story, Paige, as a new sister, should be less involved, have a less central role As we know, a timeworn story, there was no time to change an already written season that would have as its center the drama of three sisters with Prue I mean and Paie was got in a part not suited for her character An unknown half sister should have had more time to get into their business, magic and not I remember that, as Prue fan, I would have preferred another approach with this new sister But, the thing is, how else can you introduce a new main character without giving them some of the spotlight? I understand that many people would've rather just seen Season 4 continue with the Original P3, but the fact remains that it didn't. Shannen was fired, and they had to bring in a new sister to replace her. In that kind of situation, you have no choice but to put previously-planned storylines on the backburner and focus on the new, because you just can't toss a brand new character into the action as if nothing happened. |
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Post by unakite on Apr 7, 2016 10:52:12 GMT -5
It's right, time was the problem, no time to do much changes and to write a adequate role for a new half sister
Spelling should have had more respect for those who worked in Charmed and its audience and resolve his issues with Shannen before when she risked jail or agreeing to keep her for another year giving the staff time to introduce the new character
But the question is:should Season 4 have been dedicated more to Paige and my answer is no, it was enough
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 11:16:48 GMT -5
It's right, time was the problem, no time to do much changes and to write a adequate role for a new half sister Spelling should have had more respect for those who worked in Charmed and its audience and resolve his issues with Shannen before when she risked jail or agreeing to keep her for another year giving the staff time to introduce the new character As myself and others have said, a lot of these issues could've been avoided had Kern and Spelling just put their male egos aside and dealt with Shannen for one more year. Her contract ended at Season 4, so she would've been able to leave on her own terms if she didn't want to continue, and they would've been able to better plan Prue's death and Paige's introduction. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 7, 2016 18:28:40 GMT -5
Yes, I do believe Season 4 should have been more dedicated to Paige. While I guess I understand Brad wanting to do the whole Queen of the Underworld storyline, we were introduced to an entirely new character! We knew nothing about Paige except that she was Patty's daughter with her whitelighter and that Paige had a "problem with certain liquids". I would have loved to see the episode A Paige From The Past more fleshed out throughout the entire 4th season, and Phoebe and Cole's Source/Queen of all Evil should have been saved for Season 5. Maybe if it was saved for Season 5, things would have been different and we would have never gotten the disaster that was Season 8.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Apr 7, 2016 20:51:59 GMT -5
I feel like there's some of us who wanted more CHARACTER aspects of Paige, that's why we think S4 should have had more Paige, and others who think there was enough/too much because of her screentime. And screentime does not equal getting to KNOW a character.
She was written in this role that didn't make as much sense because it resembled Prue's role in the Cole/Source/Queen/Phoebe saga. Paige didn't have enough background to justify her position on Cole.
I'm not saying she needed a ton more screentime, but more development. She had APFTP. And even that episode is annoying intercut with PC non-sense.
I, personally, am not a fan of S4 because it's heavily centered on Phoebe/Cole, a ship I do not like.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 21:21:49 GMT -5
I feel like there's some of us who wanted more CHARACTER aspects of Paige, that's why we think S4 should have had more Paige, and others who think there was enough/too much because of her screentime. And screentime does not equal getting to KNOW a character. She was written in this role that didn't make as much sense because it resembled Prue's role in the Cole/Source/Queen/Phoebe saga. Paige didn't have enough background to justify her position on Cole. I'm not saying she needed a ton more screentime, but more development. She had APFTP. And even that episode is annoying intercut with PC non-sense. I, personally, am not a fan of S4 because it's heavily centered on Phoebe/Cole, a ship I do not like. You said it better than I ever could, Jackie. Yes, Paige did get a lot of screentime in the latter half of the season, but it was only because she had been blindly inserted into a role that had originally been written for Prue. Much of her dialog wasn't even her own, and she didn't get any real character development out of the deal. By the end of the season, we still hardly knew who Paige was as a person, which no doubt set her up to be a perpetually inconsistent and underwritten character throughout Seasons 5-8. It's not a matter of liking Paige, but simply good writing. |
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Post by sol on Apr 8, 2016 0:48:36 GMT -5
I feel like there's some of us who wanted more CHARACTER aspects of Paige, that's why we think S4 should have had more Paige, and others who think there was enough/too much because of her screentime. And screentime does not equal getting to KNOW a character. She was written in this role that didn't make as much sense because it resembled Prue's role in the Cole/Source/Queen/Phoebe saga. Paige didn't have enough background to justify her position on Cole. I'm not saying she needed a ton more screentime, but more development. She had APFTP. And even that episode is annoying intercut with PC non-sense. I, personally, am not a fan of S4 because it's heavily centered on Phoebe/Cole, a ship I do not like. I agree that Paige has been stuck in an unsuitable role, as certain parties were visibly written for Prue, instead I don't think we'ld have more information about her past, after all we never had a lot of information even of Prue, Piper and Phoebe , we have to wait Pre-Witched to discovery that Piper worked in a bank or what did Phoebe during her teen years |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Apr 22, 2016 7:57:43 GMT -5
My opinions in another thread might work better here. So I have copied them over folks.
Paige became the only character to cheer for during this season. I did appreciate that she was independent and being an only child growing up, made her very fascinating to blend in with her new sisters.
What I am not happy from a scriptwriting prospective is why did they suddenly turn her into Prues clone and a power of three filler. She never knew these two woman.
If I was Paige, regardless if were half sisters, No way would I feel any sisterly bond so suddenly. To me your just almost like a stranger and our bond can only build. But that bond can only feel like a friendship.
I wouldnt even call you my sister. I dont really know you. It would take years for that.
So basically only the power of three is the link that tied these three woman together. Im not at all pleased with how they handled Paige in season 4.
Paige was an idea that suddenly turned into a Prue clone then into somebody that was written as if she was in the show the entire time.
Paige lost the spark that made her special and I so wished she did move out as she contemplated in season 5. She could of found herself again.
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Post by sol on Apr 22, 2016 9:36:23 GMT -5
Different opinion, I found Paige a character out role during the fourth season, I'ld have preferred if she had been brought gradually and that Piper had addressed all the Phoebe and Cole / Source affair, alone, only with Leo's help
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Post by West on Apr 22, 2016 9:52:53 GMT -5
Different opinion, I found Paige a character out role during the fourth season, I'ld have preferred if she had been brought gradually and that Piper had addressed all the Phoebe and Cole / Source affair, alone, only with Leo's help I think I would have been happier with that. I think we discussed in another thread on this. Paige shouldnt have been in that first episode or made a small cameo. That first episode needed to close the door with Prue for the sisters. Even getting the new power of three formed needed to be later. 2 hours was way too soon for her to be a charmed one. Id be cool with Piper dealing with things alone with Leo's help. The Phoebe/Cole story could of actually still happened at season 4s start. The Centinual Charmed world being reality. Would it have been that bad to have gone there and gradually introduce Paige. Ill have to think on that more. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 12:24:00 GMT -5
My opinions in another thread might work better here. So I have copied them over folks. Paige became the only character to cheer for during this season. I did appreciate that she was independent and being an only child growing up, made her very fascinating to blend in with her new sisters. What I am not happy from a scriptwriting prospective is why did they suddenly turn her into Prues clone and a power of three filler. She never knew these two woman. If I was Paige, regardless if were half sisters, No way would I feel any sisterly bond so suddenly. To me your just almost like a stranger and our bond can only build. But that bond can only feel like a friendship. I wouldnt even call you my sister. I dont really know you. It would take years for that. So basically only the power of three is the link that tied these three woman together. Im not at all pleased with how they handled Paige in season 4. Paige was an idea that suddenly turned into a Prue clone then into somebody that was written as if she was in the show the entire time. Paige lost the spark that made her special and I so wished she did move out as she contemplated in season 5. She could of found herself again. Kern didn't want to significantly alter the Phoebe/Cole storyline he had already planned for Season 4, yet his firing of Shannen forced him to kill Prue and bring in a new sister, so he rushed Paige's introduction and then just threw her into Prue's old role as soon as the Phoebe/Cole/Source storyline started. Paige's pre-Charmed life pretty much ceased to exist, and she was treated as if she had grown up with Piper and Phoebe, which did a great disservice to both her and Prue, IMO. |
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Post by adzpower on Apr 22, 2016 13:32:42 GMT -5
Yes, it was very rushed indeed, I don't know about anyone else, but if I'd just found out I had two half-siblings, and magical powers that the very LAST thing I'd want to do is move in with said siblings. They basically guilted her into it so they could have the power of three under one roof again. I don't think Paige was treated like she had always been there until season 5. Her intro was rushed, for me the moment she truly became their sister was when they cuddled up to Phoebe in bed whilst she was grieving for Cole. One of my favorite moments in the whole show.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Apr 22, 2016 17:55:14 GMT -5
I understand that the show is about the POWER OF THREE, but at the heart, it was initially about (three) sisters who happened to be witches.
I would have preferred a couple of episodes of Piper and Phoebe dealing with the loss and then finding about about Paige. And them taking the time to develop the relationship instead of BOOM! SISTERS! BOOM DESTINY. BOOM! P3. Also, that way, The Source could have tried more time to lure Paige instead of that stupid 24 hour rule.
Like others have said, there is NO WAY the would have all accepted their relationship so fast. Paige was an only child for 20-some years. And Piper's best friend was killed. Develop that and their magic, and ease into S5 for Source/Queen.
I know the network and Kern wouldn't have done that because reasons and stuff, but I would have LOVED a season for transition for ALL.
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