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Post by jdpm1991 on Jul 27, 2016 11:57:01 GMT -5
They said that those were their astral bodies in the explosion with Zankou but I may sound a little dumb but how?
Idgi can someone explain please? Did they quickly astral projected after they orbed out when Zankou threw the energy ball at them in the attic?
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Post by Chris on Jul 27, 2016 12:28:52 GMT -5
They could have orbed to the Magic School since the Elder's closed themselves off from TCO's so they had no idea what the sisters were doing. Then they astral projected to the Nexus since they knew Zankou knew they would go after it, too.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 27, 2016 12:59:07 GMT -5
In my opinion the sisters shouldn't have astral projected through learning that via Prue who taught Leo it before she died which was a total cop out.
That should've been done either by a spell, potion or magical object instead.
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Post by adzpower on Jul 27, 2016 14:32:02 GMT -5
It was so cring-worthy, oh yes, Prue taught Leo how to astral project, what kind of rubbish? She hadn't exactly mastered the power herself and we're expected to believe that she taught Leo to do it even though he isn't a witch and that he had been able to do it for four years already by the season 7 finale but not told anyone nor ever shown annyone else? Not to mention he was human at that point right? So no magic in his veins at all. Ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 16:50:06 GMT -5
Once again the writers pulled something out of their behinds and hoped the fans would buy it. Clearly, the fans didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 19:05:43 GMT -5
Did they quickly astral projected after they orbed out when Zankou threw the energy ball at them in the attic? Yeah I think that's meant to be the case. I never understood why Paige couldn't have just orbed them out right after they'd said the spell. It's not like the explosion was instant. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 27, 2016 22:13:51 GMT -5
But them astrally projecting out would mean their bodies would be exploded and their astral selves would have nowhere to go besides the afterlife.
The only way it could've happened would've been if they sent their astral selves to the basement, then the astral selves were able to be seen and then cast the spell and then astral back to outside the Manor where their already-glamoured bodies were safe and sound as they got ready to go off on their merry way to use their powers for personal gain to their heart's desire. That's what I'm pretty sure Brad Kern thinks happened.
But astral projecting where you're seen (your astral self is invisible) and be able to cast a spell (your astral self can only watch, not interact with others) was part of Prue's power to move things with her mind, not something that could be taught. As I've said in another thread, that would be like Piper teaching Leo how to teach Phoebe how to explode stuff or Paige teaching Leo how to teach Piper how to orb or Phoebe teaching Leo how to teach Paige how to have premonitions.
Maybe Prue could've taught Leo how to teach Paige, since she could also move things with her mind, but unless she sent *her* astral self in with her half- sisters' bodies and then orbed them out, it doesn't make sense. And since it took Prue a while to master both astral projecting and then her astral soul being able to do something besides just be seen, I doubt that Paige would've learned it that quickly.
It was just a horrible nod of a head to Prue in what should've been the final episode. Truly Piper and Phoebe should've died in the explosion. Maybe Paige could've panic-orbed out, but nothing should've saved Piper and Phoebe. They should've sacrificed themselves in order to get rid of Zankou - hence their saying good-bye to Victor and the boys - it would've made SUCH a better ending rather than feeling cheated as I did.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 6:26:47 GMT -5
Did they quickly astral projected after they orbed out when Zankou threw the energy ball at them in the attic? Yeah I think that's meant to be the case. I never understood why Paige couldn't have just orbed them out right after they'd said the spell. It's not like the explosion was instant. Me neither! I thought it was just me that thought this. Talk about your roundabout methods. There was no earthly reason why the writers had to tease us into thinking that the sisters were about to sacrifice themselves. Hang on a second, PAIGE CAN ORB! It would've made more sense for Zankou to steal Paige's powers instead of Piper's, that way the sisters would've lost their escape route capability and it would've REALLY looked as if they were in serious danger of being killed. THEN they should've resorted to the AP technique. |
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Post by unakite on Jul 29, 2016 1:19:32 GMT -5
I believe instead that Phoebe, with her ability to project her mind throug the time, could "learn" astral projection, but only Prue'ldbe able to teach her
I think this would have enough sense
But save themselves from certain death it is not personal gain, it is a right and a duty
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 29, 2016 4:44:06 GMT -5
I believe instead that Phoebe, with her ability to project her mind throug the time, could "learn" astral projection, but only Prue'ldbe able to teach her Not when the show pretended that astral projection was something that someone whose power was to move things with their mind could develop into while someone who saw the future's power could develop into levitation (it should've been the other way around.). And again, yes, Phoebe could learn how to astral project - so could Piper - anyone can - I have. The trick, which Phoebe would *NOT* be able to do, is for her astral self to be able to be visible and be able to cast a spell unless that her power had grown into that rather than levitation and empathy - which it didn't. Again, letting your astral self be able to be seen and be able to cast a spell is a power given, not a power that can be taught, and definitely not one Prue (or Leo) could teach. You either have the power to do that or you don't. Saying that Prue could teach Leo who taught the girls is just typical Kernus, the Demon of Inconsistency, at work, twisting the rules to fit his scenario. ESPECIALLY when Leo was mortal and no longer an Elder or an Avatar. If he was any of those, I *might* be able to believe that Prue suggested it to him and as an Elder or an Avatar he was able to give them those powers (and that's stretching believabliity SUPREME!), but not when he was Piper's little errand boy. Of course it is. I meant once they left the Manor and went somewhere else as seemed obvious at the end of 'Something Wicca This Way Goes'. But so would sacrificing themselves to save the world from Zankou - and a much better right and duty. |
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Post by universalcharmed on Nov 1, 2017 16:47:21 GMT -5
We learned Astral Projection could be taught in Season 5 episode Sympathy for the Demon. Barbas learned it from a demon and Phoebe used a spell to astral project to Coles apartment that Barbas was staying at. So them being able to astral project wasn't shocking at all. Heck we got a refresher on the ability to learn Astral projection in 7x14.
The shocking part was that they didn't remember this. Also it isn't a writing inconsistency given it never stated you couldn't learn certain abilities, such as Astral projection. It was simply some people didn't like it. However that doesn't make it an inconsistency, especially when it was already established 2 seasons before that Astral projection could be taught.
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Post by imdb lives on on Nov 7, 2017 21:11:18 GMT -5
I think it could be after a while wasn't Barbas, Ms. Donovan also able to astral project? If so it could be taught.
I think it was a smart plan and worked for a demon like Zankou.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 8, 2017 8:05:55 GMT -5
The sisters and Miss Donovan should never have been able to AP in my opinion without either using a spell, potion, magical object or one of them had the power to absorb, channel or copy said power which no-one had because it was never mentioned before that, that witches could teach other ones their powers which I felt was a cop out in that doing that made it too easy for the sisters to avoid Zankou at Magic School and fake their deaths also afterwards just like that and everything.
If every witch could do that then they'd almost if not all be on par with the Charmed Ones meaning you wouldn't need the sisters then.
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Post by universalcharmed on Nov 9, 2017 0:36:55 GMT -5
The sisters and Miss Donovan should never have been able to AP in my opinion without either using a spell, potion, magical object or one of them had the power to absorb, channel or copy said power which no-one had because it was never mentioned before that, that witches could teach other ones their powers which I felt was a cop out in that doing that made it too easy for the sisters to avoid Zankou at Magic School and fake their deaths also afterwards just like that and everything. If every witch could do that then they'd almost if not all be on par with the Charmed Ones meaning you wouldn't need the sisters then. Learning abilities have been established since Season 3 when Cole learned how to illusion cast from the Illusion Demon. Either way in the real world it is believed Psychic abilities can be acquired through deep meditation. That every human possesses the potential. Considering the show takes lore from the real world and skew it a little I find it acceptable for abilities to be learned. Also Phoebe already had a spell to Astral Project since Season 5. In Which the same Season Barbas LEARNED how to Astral Project. |
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Post by gzv969 on Nov 13, 2017 12:56:55 GMT -5
Agreed. Just made me wonder why they were thanking Prue in the season 7 episode if they already knew how to do it. The only conclusion I could draw was maybe they had just learned from Prue how to astral project and be able to still use their powers and say the power of three spells. That was something Prue was working on a lot before she died. Maybe she had figured it out before her death and was able to show the sisters in that episode. Obviously they didn’t show us all that part for obvious reasons but alluded to it having happened.
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Post by ryang on Oct 30, 2020 14:32:24 GMT -5
Phoebe having a premonition early on - that Paige orbing them out wouldn't have worked - would have been a nice touch if they wanted to go with the astral projection thing. Over the years, I've accepted that Prue did learn the power (subconsciously) because she was busy - not because "she can move her body now like she can TK."
Her teaching it to Leo was absurd. Prue getting the astral projection spell to them would have been perfect - either through a premonition of when she used it before or maybe Prue "sending" it to her. I admire the gesture to include Prue. I almost wish Phoebe just developed that power in Season 5 rather than the astral premonitions anyway (when she got super busy at the Bay Mirror). It could have been a nice offset to the expensive levitation and let her do more Po3 things. |
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