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Post by jdpm1991 on Jul 29, 2016 5:16:30 GMT -5
Was Zankou written to be smarter than The Source or is it just decent writing? I mean Zankou didn't need The Hollow to achieve his goal and he did saw how useful Phoebe's premonition power could be
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 29, 2016 5:31:42 GMT -5
The Source was just a very stupid character, particularly when compared to either the Seer (the reason he didn't need Phoebe's premonitions - either she or the Oracle should've seen whatever Phoebe saw) or Zankou. To think that he was the head of the Underworld for so long makes absolutely no sense unless the Oracle or the Seer could constantly see whatever was going to threaten him. I've always thought that the Seer was the true power behind the throne - even when he had the Oracle.
What didn't make sense was why the Seer wanted the Phoetus so badly when she should've never been able to see herself either having or raising him - she shouldn't have been able to see any future that included her and him.
Him locking up Zankou (although I'll bet that was the Seer's suggestion - I can't see the Oracle making that one - she was as useless as the Source) does make sense, but truly it's the only thing that does. Why he didn't have Shax go get rid of Piper and Phoebe before they made contact with Paige and/or have a darklighter get rid of Leo I'll never understand.
There was only one reason for the Source to be so stupid while not making Zankou stupid - the Powers that Be wouldn't have introduced Paige if they only wanted the series to go one more season, so they had to let Phoebe and Piper live. Since S7 was supposed to be the last season, they had no reason to do that with Zankou, the same way all three could've stayed dead after the attack by Billie and Christy.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 29, 2016 13:39:20 GMT -5
Because the man was an idiot that's why. Hee, hee, hee.
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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 14, 2016 1:02:34 GMT -5
The Source did see use in Phoebe's power, regardless what he said to her in person. He appeared in the manor after being summoned by the sisters, but prior to that, he left the Seer after saying "I have another demon to recruit and another power to attain." He was going after Phoebe's power, he just saw more use in going after Paige and Piper's first, and rightfully so.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 14, 2016 2:33:06 GMT -5
The weird thing is the Source used the Hollow to get rid of their powers being what he wanted to do but that only took away their active ones and not their ability to say spells or make potions which the first destroyed him ultimately now if the Source had been studying them like he'd said then surely he would've known about the spell originally unless he didn't and either used Warlocks or an evil witch who wasn't against him and had them disempower the Charmed Ones instead like Bacarra and Tuatha did so they couldn't vanquish him then which's an idea I would've done if I were him naturally.
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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 14, 2016 5:41:55 GMT -5
The weird thing is the Source used the Hollow to get rid of their powers being what he wanted to do but that only took away their active ones and not their ability to say spells or make potions which the first destroyed him ultimately now if the Source had been studying them like he'd said then surely he would've known about the spell originally unless he didn't and either used Warlocks or an evil witch who wasn't against him and had them disempower the Charmed Ones instead like Bacarra and Tuatha did so they couldn't vanquish him then which's an idea I would've done if I were him naturally. The spell to vanquish him was written the day of the vanquish. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you meant, in which case, I apologize! |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 14, 2016 8:31:57 GMT -5
No your right lordumrex. Just remember Phoebe created it. Though the Source still could've had the sisters disempowered though stopping any vanquish ocurring.
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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 14, 2016 16:01:49 GMT -5
No your right lordumrex. Just remember Phoebe created it. Though the Source still could've had the sisters disempowered though stopping any vanquish ocurring. It's why I wish he was vanquished with a fireball to the face by Cole. The Seer's vision showed that he wasn't immune or resistant to his own fireballs, so it would make sense that Cole could vanquish him. By doing this, it would eliminate just about any criticisms people have about Charmed and Dangerous, but then again, it is the sisters show so people would probably have a problem that they weren't the ones to do it. Perhaps rightfully so. |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Sept 4, 2016 10:50:49 GMT -5
Why he didn't have Shax go get rid of Piper and Phoebe before they made contact with Paige and/or have a darklighter get rid of Leo I'll never understand. To be fair, he did try to have Shax go after Paige, whatever that's worth. No your right lordumrex. Just remember Phoebe created it. Though the Source still could've had the sisters disempowered though stopping any vanquish ocurring. It's why I wish he was vanquished with a fireball to the face by Cole. The Seer's vision showed that he wasn't immune or resistant to his own fireballs, so it would make sense that Cole could vanquish him. By doing this, it would eliminate just about any criticisms people have about Charmed and Dangerous, but then again, it is the sisters show so people would probably have a problem that they weren't the ones to do it. Perhaps rightfully so. Not only is it the sisters' show, it was constantly stated in-universe at the time that vanquishing the Source was the Charmed Ones' ultimate destiny. Even if someone else was strong enough to beat him, them being the ones to actually get it done was still paramount. |
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Post by imdb lives on on Jun 16, 2017 16:54:25 GMT -5
I wonder if Cole had been able to what would that do? Meaning no hollow or source Cole. Cole married Phoebe and had a baby. Piper and Leo have a family with everyone happy or at least more so then the original timeline.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Jun 16, 2017 21:37:17 GMT -5
I wonder if Cole had been able to what would that do? Meaning no hollow or source Cole. Cole married Phoebe and had a baby. Piper and Leo have a family with everyone happy or at least more so then the original timeline. I am curious how the storyline was intended to play out, if Prue didn't die. Because wasn't it known that the evil Phoebe arc would occur at the start of season 4 but Paige's introduction delayed it. So this would mean Cole doesn't become the Source, and is still just Balthazar. Also had Julian not left Charmed, the Avatar story would of been his in season 5 right? So I am wondering if the plan was to have Cole and Phoebe together longterm, but Julian leaving meant it had to come to an end. I am glad it did though for sure. It is too bad Cole didn't stay dead in season 4, but his baby with Phoebe had been her story moving into season 5. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 17, 2017 5:40:08 GMT -5
It wasn't Julian's idea to leave Charmed - he didn't get "Nip Tuck" until after he was done with "Charmed" - that was all Kern's idea.
Personally if Shannen hadn't been fired, I think something like 'Charmed and Dangerous' would've been the Season Four premiere with something like 'Centennial Charmed' (obviously called something else) as the season finale or possibly the series finale if both Shannen and Holly decided to not sign their new contracts - the reason I've always believed that Shannen was fired when she was - so Holly would have to come back, since she'd still be under contract, although I've heard that 'Charmed and Dangerous' was supposed to be the season finale. That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me - what do you fill the entire season with, if you don't have the Find Paige story?
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Post by Alana on Jun 18, 2017 5:39:18 GMT -5
I really wonder who was The Sourse initially? I'm talking about this nysterious essense that is so desired by all demons. Is IT stronger than Zankou's poweres?
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jun 18, 2017 6:57:13 GMT -5
Still, all and I mean, the Source, Cole and Zankou, tried to get the Charmed Ones personally. That's what made them vulnerable all the time. Yes, I include the Source because all parties put their weaknesses in the game.
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Post by ljones on Jun 18, 2017 17:00:19 GMT -5
I never understood why the Source needed the Charmed Ones' powers in the first place. The Power of Three alone wasn't strong enough to vanquish him. They had to include the powers of their past ancestors, mixed with their own powers to get rid of him. So, why did he need their powers for?
Zankou had more brains.
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