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Post by jdpm1991 on Jul 29, 2016 12:37:35 GMT -5
Season 4 had 3 main big bads, but rank your favorites
for me:
The Seer > Cole!Source > Original Source
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 13:08:13 GMT -5
Oh that's easy for me. Same as you- The Seer > The Sole, The Source.
The Seer was manipulative, patient, power hungry, elegant, poised, ruthless.
Peter Woodard is about as threatening as an angry chipmunk. I find his scenery chewing and whiny voice tough to sit through. Which is why I think The Source should have just straight up possessed Cole's body; because Julian's performance was fine.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 29, 2016 13:12:02 GMT -5
The red wing cloaked guy with the sword in AHBL was more scarier than season 4 Source.
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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 4, 2016 21:12:57 GMT -5
The Seer, Source-possessed Cole, and then the Source. I actually prefer the look of the Source from Charmed and Dangerous, the red hands and black nails really screamed out the look of evil to me. I especially hated when the brought back the half-faced demon in season 8 and they used different makeup for him: he was less sallow, more tanned, the crustiness of his face was gone and the tattoo on the back of his head was missing.
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Post by Ruth Marie on May 8, 2017 6:20:03 GMT -5
The Seer > and the rest. I don't really care for the Original Source. The Seer was the standout.
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Post by sol on May 24, 2017 0:35:42 GMT -5
The Seer: smart and master controller
Cole as Source: smart, good expert of human world, good politician
Angel of Destiny: powerfull, unclear, another smart master controller
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Post by Esmeralda on May 24, 2017 5:50:38 GMT -5
The Seer: smart and master controller Cole as Source: smart, good expert of human world, good politician Angel of Destiny: powerfull, unclear, another smart master controller I agree totally. Although I would actually put both the Seer and the Demon of Destiny as Bigger Big Bads than either the Source or Cole the Source due to them being master manipulators. I thought that both the Source and Cole the Source (influenced by the Source's powers, not possessed by the Source - he was influenced, but chose to take and use the Source's powers and become the Source) without the Seer's influence would be as dangerous as a kitten, while the Demon of Destiny lying to them about their true destiny (protecting innocents, not vanquishing the Source) stuck them and us with the Twice-Blessed Brat rather than witchlighter Prudence Melinda who, like Paige and Chris, would only have whitelighter powers and one Warren power, which also means that Chris never would've come back and Leo never would've become an Elder. And, of course, without the Seer manipulating Cole, Phoebe never would've become Queen of the Underworld and the sisters never would've had to vanquish Cole, which means he never would've become crazy in S5 and Phoebe wouldn't have had to admit that she had as much to do with what happened to Cole as he did with what happened to her. Four of the worst problems with S5-8 never would've had to happen.. |
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Post by erikamarie on May 24, 2017 12:38:56 GMT -5
I was always wary of the Angels of Destiny
The Charmed One didn't have a destiny but a task that they were free to accept or reject: protect the innocents
It wasn't their business to fight the demons, defeat the Source, or destroy the Triad
When Piper, in "Brain Drain", proposes to make a non-belittling covenant with the Source,she is not entirely wrong: destroyng the Source isn't equivalent to destroying the Evil in the world
The Angel of Destiny proposes a blackmail, not a reward and if he was able to foresee Wyatt's powers, he'ld have talked with Leo instead of just hint at it
I agree, he was the Bigger Big Bad
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Post by sol on May 25, 2017 1:23:23 GMT -5
The Angel of Destiny was the one who got into the sisters's heads that they have to fight the Evil as brave soldiers, creating fertile ground for the Avatars
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Post by Esmeralda on May 25, 2017 3:57:21 GMT -5
The Angel of Destiny was the one who got into the sisters's heads that they have to fight the Evil as brave soldiers, creating fertile ground for the Avatars Hence why I call him the Demon of Destiny rather than Angel. Just like Kern's Elders, not much angelic about him. The same thing was true for the Demon of Destiny in S8 - taking Leo and forcing the Charmed Ones to vanquish the Jenkinses (which was first-degree premeditated murder) was not angelic at all. Yet another reason why I think the last five seasons are an alternate-universe spin-off. |
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Post by gzv969 on May 25, 2017 19:27:41 GMT -5
I say the real evil was the Angel of Destiny. He shows up right before they get harassed by the witch hunter and gives them a false offer that he knows he can't completely fulfill. A demon free existence cannot be possible for them with Cole out there about to escape the wasteland. And Paige and Leo still being white-lighters. And I can't see how he could guarantee a demon would not still attack them as mortals by association to Leo and Paige still being white lighters. Demons lie and would never maintain a truce like that. So how could they really live a demon free life? Plus the charmed ones could never ignore innocents knowing evil is out there daily doing things to innocents and expect them not to feel helpless and or try and do something about it.
That whole offer was just to satisfy their end so they wouldn't get accused later on by the charmed ones that they were never offered free will or a choice on being a charmed one. Especially since the Angel of Destiny foresaw already what type of child piper was about to have and that she would probably rebel against continuing to be a charmed one after having Wyatt. This way the elders would say the charmed ones were offered a way out and they decided not to take it and continue on. And the whole witch hunter thing was too coincidental. Like the Angel of destiny put him on their path to prove a point. Which is that they would regret having their powers if they gave it up so they might as well keep them. It was all manipulation.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 25, 2017 19:33:18 GMT -5
It's funny. This whole conversation is making me a lot more sympathetic to the S5-8 Charmed Ones than I did before. They always got me mad because they'd had a chance to get out and didn't take it. Now seeing how much they were lied to, I don't feel as much as I did before.
Maybe I should give S4-8 another try...
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Post by gzv969 on May 25, 2017 20:07:16 GMT -5
It's funny. This whole conversation is making me a lot more sympathetic to the S5-8 Charmed Ones than I did before. They always got me mad because they'd had a chance to get out and didn't take it. Now seeing how much they were lied to, I don't feel as much as I did before. Maybe I should give S4-8 another try... I think you should. The more I rewatched "Which way Now" the more the episode annoyed me seeing the Angel of Destiny stringing them along like that and manipulating the outcome to get the answer he wanted. To essentially also teach them a lesson that they will never be happy without their powers so don't even consider giving them up. Also when the elder tried to recycle Leo when his memory was wiped in season 7 and put back on earth far away from the charmed ones and given a chance to make a so called choice to live with piper or be an elder. They tried to manipulate the outcome even then to their advantage. Oh, those elders love their sick mind games. And Morality bites where they put them in an impossible situation to teach them a hard lesson about personal gain. Which was a lesson that didn't stick by the way. |
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Post by sol on May 26, 2017 0:07:41 GMT -5
It's funny. This whole conversation is making me a lot more sympathetic to the S5-8 Charmed Ones than I did before. They always got me mad because they'd had a chance to get out and didn't take it. Now seeing how much they were lied to, I don't feel as much as I did before. Maybe I should give S4-8 another try... This is a good new!  They never had a chance, they were angry, and full of grief and bitterness, but the Angel of Destiny behaved as later time the Avatars If the Angel wished earnestly help them, above all Piper and Phoebe who have lost a lot - a sister, a son, a love - he'ld have tried to give them a magical break, to recover and regain confidence Besides,why all that hurry? Why demand the sisters decide such an important thing in such a short time?The magic offerings have expiration time like the milk? I think we need a specific thread |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 26, 2017 7:07:12 GMT -5
It's funny. This whole conversation is making me a lot more sympathetic to the S5-8 Charmed Ones than I did before. They always got me mad because they'd had a chance to get out and didn't take it. Now seeing how much they were lied to, I don't feel as much as I did before. Maybe I should give S4-8 another try... This is a good new! They never had a chance, they were angry, and full of grief and bitterness, but the Angel of Destiny behaved as later time the Avatars If the Angel wished earnestly help them, above all Piper and Phoebe who have lost a lot - a sister, a son, a love - he'ld have tried to give them a magical break, to recover and regain confidence Besides,why all that hurry? Why demand the sisters decide such an important thing in such a short time?The magic offerings have expiration time like the milk? I think we need a specific thread I think you're right. The obvious reason is they didn't know if Charmed would go beyond Season Four and it made a good (not great...) ending. But within the show, it truly didn't make sense at all. |
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Post by magena on May 26, 2017 10:07:09 GMT -5
If the Angel of Destiny had his own agenda, it'll make sense
If you think this way, you can relate Cleaners' tardive show and Avatars'bid with Cole with a washout plan
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Post by Ruth Marie on May 26, 2017 20:18:45 GMT -5
I think this has been brought up, but it can't be a coincidence that Piper was having trouble conceiving, although another explanation is Leo being a whitelighter made it possible for her to conceive with his healing abilities. But Piper so happened to find out she is pregnant right after she and her sisters take the offer to continue being Charmed Ones. What might have happened if they didn't, hmm would Piper have had the twice blessed child if she was no longer a Charmed One, hmm... It's funny. This whole conversation is making me a lot more sympathetic to the S5-8 Charmed Ones than I did before. They always got me mad because they'd had a chance to get out and didn't take it. Now seeing how much they were lied to, I don't feel as much as I did before. Maybe I should give S4-8 another try... I think you should. The more I rewatched "Which way Now" the more the episode annoyed me seeing the Angel of Destiny stringing them along like that and manipulating the outcome to get the answer he wanted. To essentially also teach them a lesson that they will never be happy without their powers so don't even consider giving them up. Also when the elder tried to recycle Leo when his memory was wiped in season 7 and put back on earth far away from the charmed ones and given a chance to make a so called choice to live with piper or be an elder. They tried to manipulate the outcome even then to their advantage. Oh, those elders love their sick mind games. And Morality bites where they put them in an impossible situation to teach them a hard lesson about personal gain. Which was a lesson that didn't stick by the way. Those Elders, always trying to take advantage of them. The sisters were just better off without any of these people in their lives. Angel of Destiny, Elders and Avatars, they certainly got manipulated later on. It is nice to wonder had they had never gotten influenced by any of these beings, and continued thinking for themselves like in season 1, how would they have turned out? This is a good new! They never had a chance, they were angry, and full of grief and bitterness, but the Angel of Destiny behaved as later time the Avatars If the Angel wished earnestly help them, above all Piper and Phoebe who have lost a lot - a sister, a son, a love - he'ld have tried to give them a magical break, to recover and regain confidence Besides,why all that hurry? Why demand the sisters decide such an important thing in such a short time?The magic offerings have expiration time like the milk? I think we need a specific thread I think you're right. The obvious reason is they didn't know if Charmed would go beyond Season Four and it made a good (not great...) ending. But within the show, it truly didn't make sense at all. Yeah, they were not given much time. But again Charmed may not have continued so the decision had to be quick. What if this decision was given much more time, what if they were given an entire year. So throughout the whole season, they were able to make a decision going back and forth. Sure that might have been too much time, but at least they would not be rushed. It would give a season a long story-arc to focus on the offer properly. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 8:52:06 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with your ranking OP.
The Seer is such a complex villain and very dedicated to her ambitions.
Source Cole because of how he seduced Phoebe into becoming Queen of the Underworld.
OG Source only gets a point for managing to kill off Prue (indirectly, that is)
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