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Post by Elle Em on Aug 3, 2016 16:18:08 GMT -5
Charmed certainly changed a lot when Paige as a half witch/half whitelighter was introduced. Some people don't like that aspect of her character because it changed Charmed a lot from what it was in the beginning, making the focus more on whitelighters and later on Wyatt and Chris. Others like the concept of her dual nature as it adds a new direction to the show and opens it up to more possibilities.
But what if Paige were actually their full sister? What if she was the fourth daughter of Patty and Victor? If she still had to grow up away from her sisters in order for the Power of Three to be accessed by them (which seems horribly unfair to Paige, but that's for another topic), how would you create that part of her story? Or if Patty had planned to raise her along with her sisters, what would be your reason for why she ended up with an adoptive family? And how would Victor tie into all of that?
Perhaps Paige was kidnapped as a baby with the intent of her kidnapper to raise her as evil, but somehow she ended up in the hands of the church we saw her visit in Charmed Again, and was adopted by her parents anyway. Or maybe the Elders thought the Charmed power would be compromised somehow by not having exactly three witches, and erased everyone's memory of her while placing her with another family.
So how would you explain Paige if she were a full sister, and had no whitelighter blood? How would the show be different if she were just another witch like her sisters?
Or, if you don't like the idea at all, why do you like seeing Paige as a half-whitelighter? How do you see it as adding to the show?
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 3, 2016 17:17:53 GMT -5
Charmed certainly changed a lot when Paige as a half witch/half whitelighter was introduced. Some people don't like that aspect of her character because it changed Charmed a lot from what it was in the beginning, making the focus more on whitelighters and later on Wyatt and Chris. Others like the concept of her dual nature as it adds a new direction to the show and opens it up to more possibilities. But what if Paige were actually their full sister? What if she was the fourth daughter of Patty and Victor? If she still had to grow up away from her sisters in order for the Power of Three to be accessed by them (which seems horribly unfair to Paige, but that's for another topic), how would you create that part of her story? Or if Patty had planned to raise her along with her sisters, what would be your reason for why she ended up with an adoptive family? And how would Victor tie into all of that? Perhaps Paige was kidnapped as a baby with the intent of her kidnapper to raise her as evil, but somehow she ended up in the hands of the church we saw her visit in Charmed Again, and was adopted by her parents anyway. Or maybe the Elders thought the Charmed power would be compromised somehow by not having exactly three witches, and erased everyone's memory of her while placing her with another family. So how would you explain Paige if she were a full sister, and had no whitelighter blood? How would the show be different if she were just another witch like her sisters? Or, if you don't like the idea at all, why do you like seeing Paige as a half-whitelighter? How do you see it as adding to the show? I certainly would've preferred Paige as a full sister but especially because Prue would've been eight when she was born, I don't see how she wouldn't have known about her. And I certainly see the others upset to find out that they've always had a full sister who they weren't allowed to know. The stupid bit about their mother and grandmother hiding her because of what Patty and Sam did makes SORTA sense - hiding a fourth sister doesn't - and I would think that Paige (and her sisters) would resent her parents for adopting her out. Even if she was kidnapped to be raised evil, that makes no sense why her sisters wouldn't know anything about it and wouldn't use their powers once they knew about them and tried to use them to find their sister, again, especially given Prue and Piper's ages when Paige was born. They certainly would've known about the baby before she was born. Actually that would've made more sense if Paige was the OLDEST and not the YOUNGEST - and kidnapped as the baby to be raised evil before her sisters were born. But that still doesn't explain why Grams and Patty, but ESPECIALLY Victor never told their other daughters about her. I would also think that when Phoebe read the spell, she'd find herself powerless with Paige gaining one of the powers instead. That would've made an interesting story, but wouldn't give you a chance to let her back into the family after Prue dies. Perhaps if Paige was indeed just the spare and never had any powers until one of her sisters died and Patty and Victor adopted her out so demons wouldn't harm her, that *might* make sense. But, no. If they had to introduce a new one, I'm glad P3 H20 set it up so they could, even if I'm 100% positive that that was a lucky coincidence and not done on purpose. I will just always wish that whitelighters couldn't pass on their powers to their children so that Paige would've just been a witch like her sisters and not a witchlighter, also meaning that Wyatt and Chris wouldn't be one, since I think that took away from Charmed much more than it added anything. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Aug 3, 2016 17:42:37 GMT -5
I don't know if it mattered to me if Paige was full or half. I didn't mind there being another as the show had to continue, but I kept waiting for them to bring back Prue one way or another. I saw a power of four as a wonderful idea. This way you could have all of the four elements in play. (Fire, Water, Air and Earth)The book would have changed and instead of 3 points there would be 4.
As for Melinda, well things change. Paige being a half sister might not have been picked up in her vision. Patty and Sam may have been wise to what might have happened if there was another. That's a lot of power and the big bads might have attacked harder. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 18:55:01 GMT -5
It was a coincidence, Es. At that time, they had no idea that Shannen would be fired, that was still more than a year away.
As I said, it was very likely that P3H2O was originally the first and last time we would hear about the Patty/Sam thing. Remember, at the end, their spirits were seen going off to the afterlife together.
Of course, all that changed when Paige was brought in. They needed to bring Sam back, so they had the Elders make him a white lighter again, whether he liked it or not (the Elders really were a bunch of pricks, weren't they).
It was luck, and just luck, that they had P3H20 to fall back on when they needed another sister.
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Post by ljones on Aug 9, 2016 23:11:15 GMT -5
When you mean "half-sister" . . . are you referring to the fact that Victor wasn't Paige's father, or that she was half-whitelighter?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 11:55:30 GMT -5
To me, half-sister means just that.
Paige has the same mother, but a different father, than Prue, Piper, and Phoebe, making her their half-sister.
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Post by Charmed by Piper on Aug 22, 2016 21:59:32 GMT -5
Well if Paige was born before Prue then yes she could be a full sister. Unless she was a fourth sister who was kidnapped by demons as a baby. P3H20 was such a blessing, If that episode never happened. The writers would of been in panic mode in the writers room and may have seriously considered turning Paige into the oldest sister they never knew about.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 23, 2016 5:02:31 GMT -5
Well if Paige was born before Prue then yes she could be a full sister. Unless she was a fourth sister who was kidnapped by demons as a baby. P3H20 was such a blessing, If that episode never happened. The writers would of been in panic mode in the writers room and may have seriously considered turning Paige into the oldest sister they never knew about.Which I think would've worked better - anything to prevent her from being half-whitelighter - and also because they probably would've chosen a different actress to play Paige, hopefully one who would've been happy to play the role for 5 years and not get bored after two. |
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Post by adzpower on Aug 23, 2016 6:17:10 GMT -5
I do feel a bit sorry for Rose. Kern clearly duped her into signing a five year deal. That or he told her the show would only run for two more seasons when she started.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 23, 2016 6:28:06 GMT -5
I do feel a bit sorry for Rose. Kern clearly duped her into signing a five year deal. That or he told her the show would only run for two more seasons when she started. Yeah, I do, too. Although she could've been a professional and not let it affect her performance, the way you can never tell that Shannen and Alyssa had problems during Season Three. I didn't find out about the so-called feud until after I joined the Cafe during Season Five. So Prue's death was a REAL shocker for me - I never once suspected that there were any problems on the set, the reason why I think they could've gone an extra season with just the three originals and then cancel the show when all three contracts were up. Especially if they'd set it up so "Charmed and Dangerous" would've been the season premiere and use the entire season for the Cole-the-Source/Phoebe-the-Queen-of-the-Underworld storyline and ending it with something like "Witch Way Now?" I think it would've been a much better series - it would've been "Charmed", not just setting up "Whitelighter" as "Charmed" turned into, where having a whitelighter for a father was more important than having a Warren for a mother. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Sept 4, 2016 18:59:21 GMT -5
This is a bit off target here, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. I think Rose had big shoes to fill, I therefore feel she came in under a dark-star. Regardless if you liked Prue or not, or if it was the actress and you could not separate the two, Rose didn't really fit. She to me didn't act or look like she could be younger than Phoebe.
Rose was out there in the world for the most part alone. She may have been a wild teen like Phoebe, but after loosing both parents she got herself through college and into the work a day world by her own determination. She had no family to support her. So .... no matter how her character might have crashed and burned as the story unfolded, right from the start her look, walk and talk didn't gel for me, so what her soon to be powers grew to didn't make much difference from my view point. I think she was only half white-lighter as the writers didn't really know what to do with her. Her father at least has a connection to Patty and I guess they thought that was better than saying she had a relationship with some other male witch.
I thought Jennifer Love-Hewitt would have been better, but I know she turned down the part. At the time I had never heard of Autumn Reeser, but I looked her up and she was just starting out in 2001. I think her first role was on Star Trek Voyager that same year. I realize the timing in tight, but if only for a few months of hind-sight ... she could have been a reasonable kid sister to Phoebe that might have worked well with Charmed.
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Post by charmedagain4 on Sept 6, 2016 19:00:22 GMT -5
Ironically, Paige actually being a full sister to the rest of the CO's is what goes on in my season 4 of Charmed that is on fanfiction.net  |
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Post by ShadowCat on Sept 6, 2016 23:58:30 GMT -5
Ironically, Paige actually being a full sister to the rest of the CO's is what goes on in my season 4 of Charmed that is on fanfiction.net That's interesting. How did you work that out? |
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Post by charmedagain4 on Sept 7, 2016 21:15:58 GMT -5
Ironically, Paige actually being a full sister to the rest of the CO's is what goes on in my season 4 of Charmed that is on fanfiction.net That's interesting. How did you work that out? When the girls were children and before Paige was born, the Elders feared that if Patty had an additional child, the Charmed prophecy would pass on. So in order to prevent this from happening, the Elders ordered Patty to divorce Victor. If she didn't, the Elders would take the girls away from her. That was the BIG reason that Patty and Victor divorced, along with the arguments about their daughters' destiny. Grams tried everything to get Victor to leave and eventually he did. But he did it in order to protect the girls. Shortly after they divorced and before Patty started falling for Sam, Patty decided that she wouldn't let the Elders rule her and her family's life so she and Victor got back together one night which resulted in Paige being conceived After giving birth to Paige, in order to protect the girls, Patty, Victor, and Grams took Paige to the local nun church similar to the original season 4. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Sept 8, 2016 4:26:22 GMT -5
That's interesting. How did you work that out? When the girls were children and before Paige was born, the Elders feared that if Patty had an additional child, the Charmed prophecy would pass on. So in order to prevent this from happening, the Elders ordered Patty to divorce Victor. If she didn't, the Elders would take the girls away from her. That was the BIG reason that Patty and Victor divorced, along with the arguments about their daughters' destiny. Grams tried everything to get Victor to leave and eventually he did. But he did it in order to protect the girls. Shortly after they divorced and before Patty started falling for Sam, Patty decided that she wouldn't let the Elders rule her and her family's life so she and Victor got back together one night which resulted in Paige being conceived After giving birth to Paige, in order to protect the girls, Patty, Victor, and Grams took Paige to the local nun church similar to the original season 4. You have me curious dear on this fanfiction. I like the idea that you have made her a true sister and not a half and part whitelighter. Oh *how* I wish this happened. Another interesting idea they *could* have done - was Paige being kidnapped as a baby or child similar to Christy. She is still a full witch but born perhaps either before Prue or after Phoebe. But that dear would of made a better storyline had Prue lived and they wanted a new sister. I much like your idea dear. Anything to not turn Paige into a half-whitelighter is much better from this girl. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Sept 8, 2016 12:10:57 GMT -5
Greetings "charmedagain4" and "Granny Charmed". I find this line of thinking thought provoking. I will admit that the white-lighter aspect of Charmed didn't bother me too much in the beginning, until they took it too far. This brings us back to too much magic and not enough real world.
Your ideas on Paige as a full sister and how that could have been handled made me ponder something else. Rather then dump this someday to be a magical child off at a church to be adopted out to a normal couple, it might have been wiser for her to be raised with her own kind. This could bring into play something that has always bothered me. Not only the girls, with the except of Piper, appear to have no friends, but it doesn't look like Patty did either. Of course connecting with everyday mortals would have been complicated, but we are talking San Francisco here. Patty of all people could/should have been aligned with some sort of coven.
Putting The Charmed Ones aside for a moment as that had yet to become an issue, Patty in my world would have been connected with other witches. Some would have had power and some not. After all we do have practicing witches out there that cast spells and make potions, but are not moving things around or blowing them up. They know the craft, but on another level. If Patty had this in her life Paige's power could have been bound and her (aunts?) would have been raising her to someday deal with who she is. They would not have told her the truth unless in was necessary. This way if one of the actresses leaves for what ever reason, there is still the power of three with a better back story and no white-lighter abilities.
Lets recall that Melinda said they would be the most powerful witches the world had ever known. White-lighterism was never in the mix, so if her prophecy was true it was never required.
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Post by Charmed by Piper on Sept 8, 2016 21:05:30 GMT -5
As much as I am a big fan of Piper/Leo and their relationship. Even I disliked how much importance the elders and magical community got in later seasons. Even in the early seasons - the mystery of magic and the real world was important. I could of gone without never seeing who Leo's bosses were.
But ShadowCat brings up a good point - in regards to Paige being raised by her own kind. Perhaps close witch friends or a coven perhaps? But Paige didn't have to be the youngest. She could have been the oldest. Even Paige's father being a witch.
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Post by erikamarie on Sept 9, 2016 4:18:42 GMT -5
I like the writers's idea better, Paige as bay sister and half whitelighter, partly because I am fully convinced that the Charmed Ones, the most ever powerful witches ever seen, were Prue Piper and Phoebe
Their powers over the years'ld turn increasingly strong, see Morality Bites but also Phoebe's powers in the sixt season, unlike Paige's power
As sister, Paige was able to be part of that Power of Three that the birth of her older sisters engendered but she wasn't a true Charmed Ones
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