Why did the Magical Community believe 2 strangers?

[jdpm1991]

Yes I know it's bad writing at its best, but why did the Magical Community believe Billie and Christy over Piper Paige and Phoebe? I mean they're the ones saving those weak asses every episode or two who was it that saved the Nymphs from extinction? The sisters, it was the sisters who saved the leprachauns from death as well.

[yinsoul]

Well Billie and Christy were witches too, and I get the impression that its taken amongst good creatures that they tell each other the truth, or close to it.

And tbf, TCO had saved them, sure, but there was a lot of huffing and sighing about it in the later seasons, the exception being Paige. And the leprachauns kind of saved themselves, really, the girls served more as an inspiration to that vanquish. The Nymphs would have been fine if they had gone against tradition earlier. But I dislike that episode and try not to think of it.

While I don't exactly agree with the magical critters, I can see their POV. Your heroes, the strongest of your side, and women you look up to, pretended to be dead to not have to deal with demons anymore. And while that could be understandable, it might make you feel a little abandoned. Are you not a community? And then it turns out that they're not dead, neat. But then they ask some of your breathen to put themselves in harms way. Not for a huge threat like Zankou mind, which you gladly helped for, but just so they could what? Not do it themselves? Even though they're much stronger than you? (Piper even acknowledges this in Gone With The Witches.) Not even a potion to help because luck is already sort of unreliable?

Added with the good timing of Dumain's interference, the Charmed One's cavalier attitude just came back to bite them in the butt, here. Yes we find the magical community annoying, sure, but the girls also took their help for granted, and as silly as they were, I could see them tiring of it. The girls got tired of doing stuff too, didn't they?

[adzpower]

Quite simply because they were utter morons.

[Melinda Halliwell]

Because the TCO's with the exception of Paige were selfish women who only cared about themselves by that time or another person i.e Piper over Leo and Phoebe with Coop and her baby quest more than innocent people and the magical community.

Yes the sisters did save magical creatures but only when it suited them after season 4.

Jump forward 4 years when they supposedly die having defeated Zankou by destroying the Shadow and themselves then resurface a couple of months later having not done that actually faking their own deaths leaving someone else to do their work whilst that happened because of wanting normal lives leaves something not to be desired obviously.

Couple that with Billie and Christie's story which was very convincing at the time then demons killing some of them whilst the sisters are distracted even though it's not their fault which happens a lot and everything else that's happened only makes their faith in the sisters even more less in their eyes after that doesn't it?

[sol]

I am convinced that Christy's telepathic power was able to influence simple minds like those of the magical community

[Melinda Halliwell]

She very well could've who knows sol.

[Chrisaholic]

In the beginning of S8, the magical community was not there and when needed, they appear again and act as if the Charmed Ones had never saved them. Yes, they used them as well, to their own advantage, yet still, it looks strange to me when the magical community suddenly trusts Billie and Christy who hadn't known about them if not for the Charmed Ones. That's the whole question here.

[cyma]

I considered Christy's telepathy being responsible before I realized something. These magical creatures aren’t humans. They’re less logical and more emotional. While we human beings also think more with our emotions than logic, Magical community unfortunately seems to have even less logic.

Fairies steal people’s possessions like car keys. It doesn't matter to them if their actions cause people to be late for work or if there’s some emergency and they can’t go anywhere. However once the Charmed Ones save the fairy princess, the fairies stop doing these things to the sisters and actually give them a nice present in the end. But if you’re a normal person, you’ll still be grumbling where the hell your keys or other important item just disappeared.

Then we come to Nymphs. Instead of listening to the sisters to stay put so they could vanquish the nymph killing demons, the nymphs do the exact opposite by jeopardizing not only their own safety but the Power of Three as well by turning Paige into a nymph. While Paige wanted to escape and be free, she never was going to act on her emotions since her responsibilities came first. But nymphs only cared about fulfilling their own desires of finding some flute-playing guy who they can dance around and took Paige along for the ride. Even risked causing exposure. Magical one.

Then later, Magical Community gathered at the Manor because they believed it was safe and offered protection from Titans. But once news of surviving Elders hit, they’re willing to leave the safety of the Manor to save the Elders who were a Titan magnet.

Now first reason for Magical creatures easily believing Billie and Christy was obviously less logic, more emotions. Second was grief and anger.

Grief just messes with your head, robs you of anything remotely logical, especially if someone loses their loved ones in a murder or massacre. You're just out for blood. Someone needs to be punished.

Now creatures who already possess less logic, adding grief and anger would've made it worst.

And once Billie and Christy revealed to them how they themselves lost their parents just two weeks ago to demons because of the Charmed Ones pursuing their own selfish needs, they would be viewed as a paragon of good for being their saviors while they were still grieving, while Charmed Ones selfish and corrupt.

We weren’t shown the scene, but to me, it seemed like Billie and the Magical Community bonded through Billie saving their life twice and then later sharing grief of losing loved ones due to Charmed Ones abandoning them. Once that happened, Billie and Christy would no longer be strangers to them. The Magical Community actually wanted to assist them fighting the Charmed Ones had Billie not sent them away.

If grief and anger can make any sane person act irrational, then Magical Community switching sides like that doesn’t seem all that unbelievable now. In a way, it reminds us that these aren't humans we're dealing with. You do good for these creatures, they’ll return it back three times, but make one mistake and wrong them and they’ll also return it back three times.

[cyma]

Grief and anger reminds me of another thing. Billie, or rather why she so easily hurled the fireball Christy created to annihilate the Charmed Ones.

The girl found her parents murdered in a hotel room two weeks ago. The experience not having any traumatic effect on her is hard to believe. She was traumatized by her sister's kidnapping and never dealt with it. She obviously couldn't deal with her parents' deaths in two weeks.

As soon as the pleading leprechaun with a bloody shoulder answered Dumain's query about that Charmed Ones leaving them to die, Billie went into this dazed state and assured they'll take care of the demons. She was in this same trance state when she threw the fireball at the Charmed Ones. She never really snapped out of it until Coop dropped by to ask about Phoebe's whereabouts and mentioned she was under a spell.

Hearing about the demon massacre must've had a profound affect on her. She may have been reliving the moment she found her parents dead and took out her anger on the demons slaughtering magical creatures. But of course it wasn't enough. I can assume Christy and Dumain were behind the stirring and gathering the mob of magical creatures to confront the Charmed Ones, most certainly using the death of her and Billie's parents to gain sympathy points and stir up more anger. An angry Billie consumed by her own grief and influenced by the anger and betrayal of magical creatures around her would've just followed their lead.

[codebox]

There's an easy explanation for that. I don't like Billie or Christy as characters, nothing about them is well developed or interesting enough to warrant an entire focus on them. However I DID root for them to kill the sisters because in Season 8 I HATED all of them! Especially Piper who deserved it the most with her constant threats to blow people up (I still hated that spell she used to turn reporters into rodents), her unwarranted aggressive attitude (Billie should've slapped her for her I'm older and what I think counts more comment* ) and her showing no confliction in trying to vanquish Billie when she was suppose to be their friend simply because all she wanted was to get Leo back over the greater good. When Leo was taken away by the Angel of Destiny as punishment for Piper simply so she has the motivation to fight.

Phoebe deserved it for how's she's been since Season 3 and generally how she manipulated Dex Lawson into a false marriage, then used Billie's self reflection of said marriage to go through with the outcome..

Correction I think Piper and Phoebe deserved to die, Paige not so much. While she did have a selfish streak and started acting very shriekish like Phoebe and Piper, once Paige meets Henry she reverts back into her old personality and becomes the likable one of the sisters again, but she's just as bad when it comes to how they treat Billie in the first 8 episodes. Not to mention all the stuff Piper and Phoebe have done for the past 4 seasons leading up to it (past 6 for Phoebe and 4 with Piper), Christy's rant to Billie about the sisters being selfish holds some weight to it with them faking their deaths to ignore innocents and their destiny, them bartering with destiny such as them teaming up with the Avatars to have their own utopia and only taking it back when they realized their own losses and them using Billie for their own benefit , Christy just went about it in the worst way.

There's also how the sister's treat their magical allies in Gone with the Witches when they used the leprechauns as canon fodder to scope out demons, then have the gall to play the victim when they turn against them. Especially when the leprechauns have done nothing but help the sisters and all the sisters gave them in return was them using their luck for personal gain, having their allies killed in the battle against Zankou and then being used as canon fodder to scope out demons at magic school. Also the sisters are for some reason against leprechauns throughout the season. Even in the Season opener when leprechauns are at Paige's urn giving their blessings all the girls do is make comments about how they are less important as consultants of their deaths than them as people and allies caring about their deaths, then Phoebe uses it to power boost her ego when they compare how many went to grieve her..

The sister's did nothing but use their luck for personal gain in return for all the times the leprechauns helped them in terms of magical backup.

Speaking of Billie was being used by the sisters for personal benefit, they did nothing to teach her the craft at all besides reading the BoS, they spend their time complaining at her when she wants to fight demons and only care about how her fighting demons will expose them. Paige is really the only one of the three sisters who actively works with her, Piper just acts aggressive toward her and shows no conflict in treating her like a demon the moment she acts as an obstacle to get Leo back. While Phoebe does give Billie her room (which is about the only good thing they do for her along with saving her from the virus) she spends the rest of the time obsessing over her condo or her goal in wanting dates or babies.

The sisters also constantly want Billie to stop finding her sister when it gets in the way of their personal lives. Such as when Piper complains at her when it inconveniences Wyatt's birthday party.

The episode The Jung and the Restless is a good showcase of how Paige is much better than Piper and Phoebe. Paige is the only one of the sister's Billie lets free when Paige realizes her charge is in trouble and goes to help her, meanwhile Piper and Phoebe's desires play out of their full extent showcasing how their desires are entirely self focused.

For one the sisters spend the first 9 episodes wanting nothing to do with magic or helping people its literally a season that just exists to show how selfish they are. Then on top of that they treat their magical allies like glorified servants with the worst offenders being the leprechauns who they spend a lot of the season stating how much they don't like them...

[BriannaWarren2.0]

Because the magical community is operated by stupidity, what proof did the Jenkins' sisters brought forward for the ENTIRE magical community to outright believe them?
Come on, like there wasn't one member who didn't believe them or rebelled against Christy and/or Billie, it doesn't matter the they (Christy and Billie) were witches, they were strangers and should have been treated as such. 

I've always hated them, this solidified that hate for me.  

[Melinda Halliwell]

Billie and Christie were very convincing with their reasons for getting the magical community to dislike the sisters what with the way they'd been behaving recently ignoring innocents sometimes, Phoebe busy with her condo and love life and Piper spending a lot of her time trying to get Leo back which Christy first convinced Billie was selfish and then them the magical community afterwards who agreed obviously.

[zoeysmom]

May 18, 2021 13:45:28 GMT -5 Melinda Halliwell said:

Billie and Christie were very convincing with their reasons for getting the magical community to dislike the sisters what with the way they'd been behaving recently ignoring innocents sometimes, Phoebe busy with her condo and love life and Piper spending a lot of her time trying to get Leo back which Christy first convinced Billie was selfish and then them the magical community afterwards who agreed obviously.

Yeah, I think a lot of it was this. The Charmed Ones became a lot more self-absorbed in later seasons.

[Melinda Halliwell]

Yes, they were very self-absorbed so you couldn't blame the magical community for believing what Billie and Christy said when their actions in recent times during season 8 proved the sister's theories obviously.

[BewitchingBeauties87]

May 19, 2021 11:33:55 GMT -5 zoeysmom said:

May 18, 2021 13:45:28 GMT -5 Melinda Halliwell said:

Billie and Christie were very convincing with their reasons for getting the magical community to dislike the sisters what with the way they'd been behaving recently ignoring innocents sometimes, Phoebe busy with her condo and love life and Piper spending a lot of her time trying to get Leo back which Christy first convinced Billie was selfish and then them the magical community afterwards who agreed obviously.

Yeah, I think a lot of it was this. The Charmed Ones became a lot more self-absorbed in later seasons.

One more episode to go and I can't say I shed a tear when Phoebe died at the end of Kill Billie 2.  Of course earlier in the same episode some random demon showed up at her job snooping around and Phoebe's boss automatically assumed the guy wanted Phoebe's autograph.  Who wrote this silly stuff? Geez...

  Well, on the bright side no random strangers were ogling Phoebe on the street in Kill Billie 2 (which already happened once this season) so I guess that shows some restraint on the part of Alyssa Milano and the writers.  Wouldn't want Phoebe to get too big of a head.  

[Aaeiyn]

In Billie's defense (IDC about Christy), the Charmed Ones were being negligent with their Charmed duties (at least in S8). At least Billie was trying to save/protect the world and actually displayed/showed compassion/empathy to the people around her. That's how I see it, anyway.