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Bianca
Aug 28, 2016 17:23:49 GMT -5
Post by lordumbrex on Aug 28, 2016 17:23:49 GMT -5
Does anybody else wish they would have given Bianca a more of a phoenix homage in Chris Crossed? Instead of energy balls, I wish they would have given her fireballs akin to the ones that Aviva had in the "Fourth Sister". Instead of reconstituting herself like the Source via black particles, I wish they would have done it in the manner of the Lazarus demon, ie: ashes. Those two things would have been subtle, but I would have enjoyed her character more if so.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Aug 28, 2016 18:23:27 GMT -5
I wanted more Bianca and more about the Phoenix in general.
I like the ideas of teleporting via ashes. The shimmering was a demonic power, which would be explained with procreation with demons down the line. But it was made a point that the Phoenix are witches, not demons. They had a bit too many demonic powers for my taste.
She had a lot of abilities, but things weren't flowing with the mythology of the Phoenix. It would have been interesting if they actually utilized more about actual mythology. Besides reconstructing.
The only "witch" aspect seemed to be the immunity to Piper's freezing.
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Post by sol on Aug 29, 2016 1:17:51 GMT -5
Bianca's character was linked to a possible spin-off, however, I'ld have liked, in the season 7, see a Piper's interest in the life of the little Bianca:keep your enemies even closer it's a good politics and Piper is that kind of very suspicious mother who cannot forgive the wrongs suffered by a son
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 29, 2016 10:19:08 GMT -5
If Phoenix witches were portrayed like the mythical bird then instead of reconstituiting themselves they could die and rise from the ashes like the legends say giving them a unique power making them immortal essentially and maybe even have an additional power instead of energy balls which could turn people to ash to.
Perhaps Phoenix's could've been linked to the birds some way physiologically speaking.
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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 29, 2016 16:23:42 GMT -5
My personal head canon, and I do not expect anyone else to like this, is that the Phoenix witches are descended from a woman that was wrongfully hanged (or burned at the stake in Charmed-verse) for being a witch when she was a regular human. A sorcerer, feeling the hatred in her heart and her thirst for revenge as the woman was dying, made a deal with her that in exchange for her being made into a real witch with actual magical powers and allowed to gain her revenge, the woman would sell her soul and serve as the sorcerer's assassin/bodyguard/servant. Eventually the woman had a child with a human father, and passed down her powers, creating the line of witches that became known as the Phoenix coven. The Sorcerer's name in my mind is Flereous, so it's something I've thought about deeply before.
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Bianca
Aug 30, 2016 6:53:40 GMT -5
Post by Esmeralda on Aug 30, 2016 6:53:40 GMT -5
My personal head canon, and I do not expect anyone else to like this, is that the Phoenix witches are descended from a woman that was wrongfully hanged (or burned at the stake in Charmed-verse) for being a witch when she was a regular human. A sorcerer, feeling the hatred in her heart and her thirst for revenge as the woman was dying, made a deal with her that in exchange for her being made into a real witch with actual magical powers and allowed to gain her revenge, the woman would sell her soul and serve as the sorcerer's assassin/bodyguard/servant. Eventually the woman had a child with a human father, and passed down her powers, creating the line of witches that became known as the Phoenix coven. The Sorcerer's name in my mind is Flereous, so it's something I've thought about deeply before. I really like this, but I like how Scififantasychic (Scifi to her friends) did it in her fantastic novel, "The Witch And The Assassin" better - for me this will always be head canon, the way her entire series is, especially because that means I ignore "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad World" and everything that comes after it. I also like how Scifi writes the first Phoenix's words with the "Hooked on Phonics" type spelling that was used back in the day - it just makes it seem so much real.
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Bianca
Aug 30, 2016 11:43:43 GMT -5
Post by sol on Aug 30, 2016 11:43:43 GMT -5
The Witch And The Assassin!
I read and loved it, Scififantasychic did a great job drawning Bianca!
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Bianca
Sept 1, 2016 9:16:05 GMT -5
Post by Chrisaholic on Sept 1, 2016 9:16:05 GMT -5
Bianca was a great person and the sisters may have watched over her and her mother. After all, Piper's son Chris was once in love with her. Why not in the new future again?
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Sept 1, 2016 22:50:31 GMT -5
Bianca was a great person and the sisters may have watched over her and her mother. After all, Piper's son Chris was once in love with her. Why not in the new future again? Not sure about the "great person" part, given she was still cowed back into King Wyatt's service. But she did rebel against both that and the typical Phoenix life (as little as we know about it) to help Chris change the future, meaning she's one of those people that an apocalyptic or dystopian situation brings out the best moreso than the worst of. So that points in her favor. That said, I can see Piper thinking of the possibility that Bianca and Chris could find their way to each other in the new future and looking after present-day Lynn and Bianca from time to time to help make sure the kid turns out well enough to be good for her son even without an end-of-the-free-world scenario. Oh—hey guys, it's been awhile!
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 2, 2016 3:32:58 GMT -5
Definately Darkhouse it's good to see you back again which's been a while certainly.
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Bianca
Sept 4, 2016 20:56:06 GMT -5
Post by ShadowCat on Sept 4, 2016 20:56:06 GMT -5
I didn't jump on this thread as I felt I wasn't savvy enough to chat about the Phoenix and the mythology attached to it, but .... on the way to the candy store I was time warped back to the mid 60's. My oldest friend in the world since 1955 is a "Dark Shadows" freek. She loved the show, I thought it was interesting until I started a full time job. The afternoon soap started in 1966 and ran until 1971. Well I just finished the section with Laura Murdock Collins, a Phoenix that rises from the ashes every 100 years.
For the most part she is not a wonderful person. Seems she generally comes back to claim her children and turn them into what she is. Gee, thanks mom.
What caught my eye was the fact that she could cast spells. Now I hadn't viewed this in almost 50 years, so please forgive me if I sound confused. You wait, some day you will get there too.
What I know about the Phoenix never had anything to do with witch craft that I could relate to. Then again, what do I know. Anyway, I had to wonder since I have been back at The Cafe, where the writers came up with a Phoenix Witch. Perhaps Bianca's inception haled from Laura Murdock Collins who was introduced to Dark Shadows sometime in 1966 or 67. She was a Phoenix that fit some of the myth, but a number of things did fit. Does the Phoenix have the ability to cast spells. If that is not part of it, than is Charmed taking a lesson from a TV show that has become a legend? Is this clever or just an accident?
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 5, 2016 2:28:19 GMT -5
I didn't jump on this thread as I felt I wasn't savvy enough to chat about the Phoenix and the mythology attached to it, but .... on the way to the candy store I was time warped back to the mid 60's. My oldest friend in the world since 1955 is a "Dark Shadows" freek. She loved the show, I thought it was interesting until I started a full time job. The afternoon soap started in 1966 and ran until 1971. Well I just finished the section with Laura Murdock Collins, a Phoenix that rises from the ashes every 100 years. For the most part she is not a wonderful person. Seems she generally comes back to claim her children and turn them into what she is. Gee, thanks mom. What caught my eye was the fact that she could cast spells. Now I hadn't viewed this in almost 50 years, so please forgive me if I sound confused. You wait, some day you will get there too. What I know about the Phoenix never had anything to do with witch craft that I could relate to. Then again, what do I know. Anyway, I had to wonder since I have been back at The Cafe, where the writers came up with a Phoenix Witch. Perhaps Bianca's inception haled from Laura Murdock Collins who was introduced to Dark Shadows sometime in 1966 or 67. She was a Phoenix that fit some of the myth, but a number of things did fit. Does the Phoenix have the ability to cast spells. If that is not part of it, than is Charmed taking a lesson from a TV show that has become a legend? Is this clever or just an accident? Wow, I was also one of those teenagers who would run home from school each day so I could watch another episode of "Dark Shadows" - the show that introduced me to the idea of ghosts and witches and vampires and werewolves and parallel timelines and traveling to the past and...yes, I'd totally forgotten..phoenixes! I'd totally forgotten about Laura. But now you do have me wondering whether Laura was the inspiration behind Bianca. The way Charmed borrowed from so many other sources, it wouldn't surprise me, although had they, I wonder if they would've made Bianca more like Laura - someone who comes back to claim her children through her painting as compared to an assassin witch. And since she was often called a Phoenix witch, yes, I do believe Bianca could've cast spells and make potions. Keeping in mind that unlike Charmed, Dark Shadows was pure soap opera (and a fun one at that, even at its scariest, especially because it was in black-and-white - unlike Charmed's Season One, it never gave me nightmares) for those who never watched this show, here's what Wikipedia says about Laura. But first, a quick intro to the characters mentioned here and who were introduced before this story arc - like most soap operas, keeping characters straight could get awful confusing - couldn't tell a player without a scorecard!): Elizabeth Collins Stoddard - mistress of Collinwood Roger Collins - Elzabeth's younger brother David Collins - Roger's young son. Victoria Winters - David's governess Maggie Evans - waitress at the Blue Whale, a bar in the nearby town of Collinsport, and friend of Victoria's. Sam Evans - Maggie's father who paints portraits Josette Collins - a ghost from the 1700s who died by jumping off the cliffs near Collinwood, scared by something, and who befriends David and Victoria The rest of the characters were introduced during this story arc. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Shadows_(televised_storylines)Like I said, quite a bit different than Charmed's version of a phoenix, but could've been a lot of fun.
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Post by erikamarie on Sept 5, 2016 3:30:57 GMT -5
I didn't jump on this thread as I felt I wasn't savvy enough to chat about the Phoenix and the mythology attached to it, but .... on the way to the candy store I was time warped back to the mid 60's. My oldest friend in the world since 1955 is a "Dark Shadows" freek. She loved the show, I thought it was interesting until I started a full time job. The afternoon soap started in 1966 and ran until 1971. Well I just finished the section with Laura Murdock Collins, a Phoenix that rises from the ashes every 100 years. For the most part she is not a wonderful person. Seems she generally comes back to claim her children and turn them into what she is. Gee, thanks mom. What caught my eye was the fact that she could cast spells. Now I hadn't viewed this in almost 50 years, so please forgive me if I sound confused. You wait, some day you will get there too. What I know about the Phoenix never had anything to do with witch craft that I could relate to. Then again, what do I know. Anyway, I had to wonder since I have been back at The Cafe, where the writers came up with a Phoenix Witch. Perhaps Bianca's inception haled from Laura Murdock Collins who was introduced to Dark Shadows sometime in 1966 or 67. She was a Phoenix that fit some of the myth, but a number of things did fit. Does the Phoenix have the ability to cast spells. If that is not part of it, than is Charmed taking a lesson from a TV show that has become a legend? Is this clever or just an accident? Wow, I was also one of those teenagers who would run home from school each day so I could watch another episode of "Dark Shadows" - the show that introduced me to the idea of ghosts and witches and vampires and werewolves and parallel timelines and traveling to the past and...yes, I'd totally forgotten..phoenixes! I'd totally forgotten about Laura. But now you do have me wondering whether Laura was the inspiration behind Bianca. The way Charmed borrowed from so many other sources, it wouldn't surprise me, although had they, I wonder if they would've made Bianca more like Laura - someone who comes back to claim her children through her painting as compared to an assassin witch. And since she was often called a Phoenix witch, yes, I do believe Bianca could've cast spells and make potions. Keeping in mind that unlike Charmed, Dark Shadows was pure soap opera (and a fun one at that, even at its scariest, especially because it was in black-and-white - unlike Charmed's Season One, it never gave me nightmares) for those who never watched this show, here's what Wikipedia says about Laura. But first, a quick intro to the characters mentioned here and who were introduced before this story arc - like most soap operas, keeping characters straight could get awful confusing - couldn't tell a player without a scorecard!): Elizabeth Collins Stoddard - mistress of Collinwood Roger Collins - Elzabeth's younger brother David Collins - Roger's young son. Victoria Winters - David's governess Maggie Evans - waitress at the Blue Whale, a bar in the nearby town of Collinsport, and friend of Victoria's. Sam Evans - Maggie's father who paints portraits Josette Collins - a ghost from the 1700s who died by jumping off the cliffs near Collinwood, scared by something, and who befriends David and Victoria The rest of the characters were introduced during this story arc. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Shadows_(televised_storylines)Like I said, quite a bit different than Charmed's version of a phoenix, but could've been a lot of fun. I don't know the show but it must have been interesting I have always thought that the speech of the birth from the ashes was only symbolic, the Phoenix are witches who have taken a firm stand, but always witches, able to pronounce spells, in fact Bianca tossed a powerful spell on the sisters
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Bianca
Sept 5, 2016 3:43:46 GMT -5
Post by Esmeralda on Sept 5, 2016 3:43:46 GMT -5
Wow, I was also one of those teenagers who would run home from school each day so I could watch another episode of "Dark Shadows" - the show that introduced me to the idea of ghosts and witches and vampires and werewolves and parallel timelines and traveling to the past and...yes, I'd totally forgotten..phoenixes! I'd totally forgotten about Laura. But now you do have me wondering whether Laura was the inspiration behind Bianca. The way Charmed borrowed from so many other sources, it wouldn't surprise me, although had they, I wonder if they would've made Bianca more like Laura - someone who comes back to claim her children through her painting as compared to an assassin witch. And since she was often called a Phoenix witch, yes, I do believe Bianca could've cast spells and make potions. Keeping in mind that unlike Charmed, Dark Shadows was pure soap opera (and a fun one at that, even at its scariest, especially because it was in black-and-white - unlike Charmed's Season One, it never gave me nightmares) for those who never watched this show, here's what Wikipedia says about Laura. But first, a quick intro to the characters mentioned here and who were introduced before this story arc - like most soap operas, keeping characters straight could get awful confusing - couldn't tell a player without a scorecard!): Elizabeth Collins Stoddard - mistress of Collinwood Roger Collins - Elizabeth's younger brother David Collins - Roger's young son. Victoria Winters - David's governess Maggie Evans - waitress at the Blue Whale, a bar in the nearby town of Collinsport, and friend of Victoria's. Sam Evans - Maggie's father who paints portraits Josette Collins - a ghost from the 1700s who died by jumping off the cliffs near Collinwood, scared by something, and who befriends David and Victoria The rest of the characters were introduced during this story arc. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Shadows_(televised_storylines)Like I said, quite a bit different than Charmed's version of a phoenix, but could've been a lot of fun. I don't know the show but it must have been interesting I have always thought that the speech of the birth from the ashes was only symbolic, the Phoenix are witches who have taken a firm stand, but always witches, able to pronounce spells, in fact Bianca tossed a powerful spell on the sisters Oh, since I haven't watched ChrisCrossed that often (like all of S6, not amongst my favorite episodes, even though it's part of one of my favorite TNT Charmed marathons that I have taped - all of the time-travel ones - when I rewatch that, I don't watch ChrisCrossed or Forever Charmed), I"d forgotten that she actually cast a spell. But I checked the fanmade script and found this: Source: charmedscripts.tv/chris_crossed.htmSo that definitely answers that question - yes, she's a witch, and yes, she can cast spells.
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Post by magena on Sept 5, 2016 12:06:58 GMT -5
Maybe you'ld give a chance to Chris Crossed, I find it one of the best Charmed episodes!
Bianca is a stimulating character, she is a witch, not a warlock, a mercenary as Cole or Miss Hellfire, independent in her opinion, not totally seduced by evil
Every time I watch the episode I wonder about her: was she A Wyatt ally, perhaps following her family?
Why she changed side?
I don't think only for love as Cole, exactly because of what she told her mother:Someday when I ask you what it feels like to kill, don't lie to me. Don't tell me you don't feel a thing.
I'd bet that it was Bianca carryng the plan out,that she studied with Chris in which moment coming back and what to tell the sisters Chris is uncertain and frightened, Bianca is headstrong and determined, the opposite of the classical couple
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Post by sol on Sept 6, 2016 1:30:35 GMT -5
Interesting the parallel with Cole: also the Phoenix are mercenary, but they are human, witches who use their powers for their own benefit, then also free to choose between good and evil without conditions of "gender" as Cole influenced by Belthazor
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Bianca
Sept 13, 2016 14:45:20 GMT -5
Post by unakite on Sept 13, 2016 14:45:20 GMT -5
The love story between Bianca and Chris, perhaps because we can barely imagine it, is the love story that I prefer in Charmed
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Bianca
Oct 14, 2016 11:29:14 GMT -5
Post by unakite on Oct 14, 2016 11:29:14 GMT -5
What kind of powers was Bianca able to drain from Chris?
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Oct 14, 2016 12:59:30 GMT -5
All of them hence why he needed to say the spell to return them.
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Bianca
Oct 22, 2016 18:29:26 GMT -5
Post by lordumbrex on Oct 22, 2016 18:29:26 GMT -5
Personally, I always felt that was the weakest part of the episode, the spell to return his powers. If that's all it took, what would stop Chris from writing his own spell to return them? He could have done it right there in the attic. The sisters writing it was unnecessary, as it wasn't the power of the Charmed Ones that did it, it was literally just them writing it. I think a potion should have been used instead, that way it would actually make sense for Chris needing their help: he wouldn't have the opportunity to brew a potion and hide it before confronting Wyatt, whereas they would.
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