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Post by Granny Charmed on Aug 29, 2016 6:12:04 GMT -5
Inspired by a great point ShadowCat made in a thread. I could not resist putting it to a new thread for my Charmed Cafe.
Okay dears let's not go behind the scenes on this one. Let's just picture the storylines stay exactly the same - only were taking out Paige and adding in Prue. How would events have unfolded with Prue and how would she react to everything. Also how differently would Piper and Phoebe have been.
How would Prue react to Cole in season 4 and 5?
How would Prue react to Chris in season 6?
How would the Avatars and Zankou play out with Prue around?
How would Season 8 play out with Prue in regards to Billie and Christy? Where does Prue end up at series end?
Now have fun everyone. I am so excited dears to see what we all come up with.
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Post by unakite on Aug 30, 2016 4:34:51 GMT -5
How would Prue react to Cole in season 4 and 5?
She never could support Cole and Phoebe's marriage,she would realize that Phoebe was halfhearted and not ready
Would Cole accept the proposal from the Seer even without the black wedding? Maybe yes, dazzled by the idea of a powerful son
However, I believe Prue would not buy his sudden high-living life
How would Prue react to Chris in season 6?
I like to think that she would support Leo and investigated and found who Chris was
How would the Avatars and Zankou play out with Prue around?
I believe she would react like her sisters: the Avatars offered a world of peace in a terrible moment in the sisters's life, still unable to trust the Great Good
Phoebe's vision was convincing, full of hope of a better life
Zankou would be a tough nut for all the Charmed Ones
How would Season 8 play out with Prue in regards to Billie and Christy?
Prue would not open the doors of the Manor to Billie so easily and she would be very distrustful of a woman raised by demons, she would understand that Christy was a warlock, most intelligent and manipulative of the media
Where does Prue end up at series end?
I can see Piper and Phoebe and even Paige as family woman, not Prue
I like to think of Prue as a nice aunt and a woman with a wonderful career as photographer
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Post by adzpower on Aug 30, 2016 6:19:40 GMT -5
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Post by Elle Em on Aug 30, 2016 7:17:36 GMT -5
I can see Prue being massively suspicious of Cole in season 4. Paige already was suspicious, but being new to the family, she didn't want to step on anyone's toes, and probably didn't feel comfortable or confident enough yet to being up a difficult topic to anyone other than Piper. I can see Prue asking Cole tough questions right away and in front of everyone. He wouldn't get away with as much as long as she was still there.
Jumping way ahead to the end of the series, I like the idea of Prue not having kids and just focusing on her own life. She already sort of did have kids when her younger sisters needed her as a mother figure, and I can see her being quite happy still helping them from time to time, and taking care of nieces and nephews.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 30, 2016 7:42:21 GMT -5
I agree with everyone so far.
I also think Prue would've figured out that Cole was possessed and been the one to help "unpossess" him long before Phoebe becomes queen, meaning we'd never see the horror of what happens to Phoebe and Cole's love story in S5.
In the same way, I think Prue would figure out who Chris is almost right away and talk him into returning to his future and letting the Charmed Ones be the ones who fix the future so that they don't get stuck in an everlasting time loop, which is what Chris did. And she'd do that when she finds out about Wyatt being evil in the future, by talking Piper into permanently binding Wyatt's powers. That would mean Chris would never have to come back and break the cycle.
Funny, in my vision of the future with the three original Charmed Ones, I do see Prue as married - waiting for Bane Jessup to get out of jail. And because she does indeed make a great mother (the best of the three), I do see her with kids, even as she continues her photography career. Due to this, her children would be quite a bit younger than Wyatt and Chris, so she'd be able to take care of her nephews (I don't see Piper as ever getting her daughter - two is more than enough for her - one would be more than enough for her) before having children of her own.
I see Phoebe as the one who never has a child (instead Cole continues to spoil the baby of the family by making her the center of his life) and instead plays doting auntie (not taking care of them - just spoiling them) to her nieces (I see Prue as the one who has three daughters - maybe even triplets) and nephews.
And if all of this means there's only 5 or 6 seasons - even better!
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Post by sol on Aug 30, 2016 11:54:55 GMT -5
I agree, Prue needed work and career to feel realized
I like this:
Just Harried
Prue_ Alright, you know what? I am sick of this. She is all about duty and obligation, well not me. Alright, I want to be free, I wanna find love, I wanna have a life.
Phoebe: Well, Prue, you have responsibilities whether you like it or not.
Prue: Don't talk to me about being responsible, Phoebe. Alright, you were not very responsible when you went and fell in love with a demon.
Phoebe: Oh, please, you have got to let this whole Cole thing go, okay? You can't stay mad at me forever.
Prue: I'm not mad at you, Phoebe, I never was. Alright, she was. I was rooting for you.
Phoebe: Okay, now you're scaring me.
Prue: You risked everything for love, just like Piper and Leo. I dream of having that kind of freedom but instead I get stuck watching my sisters live my dream.
I cannot imagine Prue with an husband and kids
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 30, 2016 17:45:01 GMT -5
I agree, Prue needed work and career to feel realized I like this: Just Harried
Prue_ Alright, you know what? I am sick of this. She is all about duty and obligation, well not me. Alright, I want to be free, I wanna find love, I wanna have a life. Phoebe: Well, Prue, you have responsibilities whether you like it or not. Prue: Don't talk to me about being responsible, Phoebe. Alright, you were not very responsible when you went and fell in love with a demon. Phoebe: Oh, please, you have got to let this whole Cole thing go, okay? You can't stay mad at me forever. Prue: I'm not mad at you, Phoebe, I never was. Alright, she was. I was rooting for you. Phoebe: Okay, now you're scaring me. Prue: You risked everything for love, just like Piper and Leo. I dream of having that kind of freedom but instead I get stuck watching my sisters live my dream. I cannot imagine Prue with an husband and kids And I definitely can't imagine her without those. Not right away - that was the main thing about this - she need some fun, some time to herself. But by the time Wyatt and Chris were grown and out of the house, she'd be ready to take care of someone else - or else I do believe she'd get awful bored. By the way, if you haven't you really should read Season 10 of the comics if you can do that - the writer, Pat Shand, looks at Prue the same way you do. And first to admit that you might very well be right...I just don't think you are. |
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Post by sol on Aug 31, 2016 0:22:19 GMT -5
Since when I'm right, Es?  Years to take care of her little sisters, years worrying about demons or her almost brother-law the Source, nephews turning evil or going for a walk through time, warlock with the look of porcelain dolls ....I believe that a forty Prue'ld have needed a good holiday devoted to herself A nice aunt? I think she'ld be a wonderful aunt but a mom and a wife not Prue and Paige are the unsettled of the family, those who want something else, especially Prue, a mix of Grams and Victor She and Andy together would be bored to death! The forty year old Prue'ld be a war or a social photographer around the world, maybe in relationship with Bane but Prue with three kids....no, can't buy it |
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Post by sol on Aug 31, 2016 0:26:56 GMT -5
I agree and in the final fight with Zankou Prue'ld use rightly her astral projection to beat him
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Post by erikamarie on Aug 31, 2016 6:19:40 GMT -5
They'ld have changed many things because Prue personality is dominant, suspicious, combative
COLE:Prue never trusted him and, unlike Piper, not even feel sympathy for him, with good reason, given the terrible suffering Cole brought about her with his trick of the empathy
I also think she'ld be able to convince Phoebe to not marry Cole: when the love of your life ask you to marry, usually you don't ask your sister or magic an help to choose. Phoebe was searching for strong reasons to say no
Piper wasn't able to get it, she was too romantic and still the sister who pampers and take cares, instead Prue'ld clearly understand Phoebe's fears and uncertainties
CHRIS: it'ld be funny to see those two!
Suspicious, inquisitive, demon hunters, they'ld argue about everything, too similar to stand each other
Prue'ld turn upside down Underworld to protect her baby nephew
ZANKOU: It'ld not have changed so much, Zankou remains one of the most formidable enemy of the Charmed Ones
AVATARS: Prue didn't trust easily, but Phoebe's vision was the most powerful weapon of Avatars and Prue trusted her baby sister visions
Maybe we'ld talk of that vision in a new thread: it was true or was a fake?
BILLIE: Billie's overly enthusiastic personality wasn't fit for a real friendship between her and Prue and I think Prue'ld not so confidently left free access to the Book of Shadows
CHRISTY: I like a lot Christy's character, a powerful and true warlock, able to try to dominate even with the Triad
I don't think Prue'ld have trusted her even momentarily
Discovering in time Christy's real schedue could have allowed the sisters to avoid being banished from the Manor and the Book
Prue's presence might have prevented the Angel of Destiny's action against Leo, maybe
FINAL: I agree with the members wishing for Prue a life finally free of duties about her sisters
Prue of Morality Bites was too much a go-getter but Prue is in any case an ambitious person, who loves to succeed in her work
I am not able to imagine her as a mom, only as a cool, very cool aunt
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Aug 31, 2016 7:48:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I agree with you. Prue was the only one I recall (feel free to correct me) calling Cole an innocent. Whether she would have considered him one later or not, I don't know, but I think this attitude would have affected how she saw both Cole and Christy.
You make a good point about Chris and the Avatars. She probably would have bashed heads with Chris and it is possible that the fact that the Avatars' strongest "proof" was Phoebe's premonition might have swayed her. (And I think if you haven't already you should start that thread on if that premonition was real after all they were able to alter reality, why not the reality of a premonition.)
Obviously had she stayed Prue would have changed over the years, but we don't know how she would have changed, only who she was when we did see her and as she was, she saw herself as a mom as early as season one, whether she really had the temperment for it or not, I cannot say, but she saw it and I think she did want it.
I can't imagine her being alive, knowing what she knew about the underworld and innocents and not wanting to do something about it, because although she never loved magic, innocents were important to her.
And I can totally see her butting heads with Paige if they ever met, which of course they wouldn't have had Prue been there for the whole show and thus there would have been no need to make Paige in the first place, but it still would have been fun to see them even if it meant four sisters and one wasn't Charmed, because Charmed always require three, not four.
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Post by Elle Em on Aug 31, 2016 9:39:05 GMT -5
Prue in season 1 did make comment about having kids, as though it were a given in her future plans. But I wonder about how her opinion of that might have changed over the years. Although maybe it didn't and she still intended to have them.
But here's how I see it: If Prue had the personality of someone more like season 1 Piper, I can definitely see her wanting children. But it seems to me that someone with Prue's personality, combined with the life experiences Prue has had, would want to be free from becoming a mother. I mean, she was only about eight years old when her mother died and she had to become a second mother to her sisters. It was implied that she was always sacrificing herself for them, and having to get Phoebe out of trouble. Then soon after Grams dies, Phoebe moves away and Prue can finally focus on her own life.
Then six months later, she gets thrown into a life she didn't ask for. Despite the rewards of saving lives, it was probably a hard duty to accept when it interfered with her personal life to such a great extent.
So at this point, Prue has had very little freedom in her life. She's been a mother figure to her sisters since she herself was only a child, she had to give up her dream of photography to pursue something that would be more stable and provide more money for the family, and she became a witch against her will with a whole new set of responsibilities.
Some people, despite all those types of experiences, would still want children. They wouldn't see them as keeping them from being free. Then there are other people who know they wouldn't get as much out of the experience and don't think it's for them. We can't know where Prue would have ended up had she lived, but I can more easily see her choosing other experiences in her life that would be just as fulfilling, like being a photographer and traveling the world, as was mentioned earlier. Some people's greatest role in life is to become a parent, while some fulfill other destinies. I think Prue was someone who was better suited to be out in the world and living a more nontraditional life, contrasting with her earlier role of a mother and protector.
I think Piper and Phoebe had already had chances to be themselves. Neither grew up having to mother someone else. Phoebe especially had the chance to live carefree and have no worries. I don't think Prue was able to do that. I think we mostly just saw who Prue really was through the filter of being a mother and protector.
And it's hard with this show, because it was run by people who assumed that all women really want is to get married and have kids. Even if Prue had lived and the show had continued, I wouldn't trust the show runners to have the capacity to create any other role for Prue other than wife and mother.
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Post by unakite on Aug 31, 2016 10:11:52 GMT -5
Storygirl: Prue was the only one I recall (feel free to correct me) calling Cole an innocent.
It was Paige, in Sympathy For The Demon, after Barbas had stolen Cole's powers
Prue never trusted Cole, once a demon always a demon was her creed, because of this I am sure than never Prue would believe Cole's tail tale on the origins of his wealth
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Aug 31, 2016 10:59:29 GMT -5
Storygirl: Prue was the only one I recall (feel free to correct me) calling Cole an innocent.
It was Paige, in Sympathy For The Demon, after Barbas had stolen Cole's powers Prue never trusted Cole, once a demon always a demon was her creed, because of this I am sure than never Prue would believe Cole's tail tale on the origins of his wealth Paige may have done that as well, but Prue definitely called Cole an innocent. Death Takes a Halliwell: Updated to Add: Elle Em, I see what you are saying. It is entirely possible that she would have wanted to be able to keep at least that much freedom on her life, because you're right, she did either refer to it as a sacrifice or her sisters knew she saw it that way (since they discussed it in the first episode as if they had heard it a million times). I don't know for sure if I agree with you, but I definitely see where you are coming from and it is definitely worth a second look at this issue from my point of view. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. |
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Post by unakite on Aug 31, 2016 22:59:38 GMT -5
I would not to give too much credit to that Death Takes a Halliwell quote, born in a particular context
Prue never trusted Cole see in The Demon Who Came In From the Cold
Her role and her nature of Protector make Prue suspicious and wary
I agree with Elle Em
Furthermore, there is in Prue a strong desire for social affirmation, for a life easier from an economic point of view, in Ms Helfire Prue is fascinated by the luxury in which the killer lives
I like but I do not hallow Prue: she was a strong, challenging character, a Protector for education and also a woman with a desire to have fun, to have love affairs not binding, to achieve success
In my opinion, Prudence's character is the demostration that the show was run by writers who, before the new millennium, introduced figures of young women able to establish themselves without the need of a man
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Post by sol on Sept 1, 2016 3:51:00 GMT -5
My flash forward of the finale, if indispensable, would be:
PRUE (if she was live):famous photographer, she travels the world for reportage about social problems and different customs and tradition
Whens she comes back to San Francisco she lives in a penthouse with Bane
She save innocents around the world and if it needed, she calls her nephews, able to orb, to help
PIPER: she started adding to P3 a small restaurant only reservation, it was successful,now the restaurant is workinh a lot even if opened only in the evening but it has more tables
Two sons, she thinks they are enough
Leo resumed his studies, graduated and works as a doctor
PHOEBE:after graduating in psychology, she runs a blog of therapeutic help in addition to her job as columnist
She has an only daughter, Prudence, who inherited her power of premonition
She met Alec again and they fell in love, he is Prudence's father
PAIGE: she and Henry decided to have two kids, one adopted, the other biological
Henry Jr was adopted, the twins were a nice surprise
The twins have not whitelighter powers, they are able only to freeeze time
Paige doesn't work as whitelighter, she works part-time as social worker and she has started painting again
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Post by Elle Em on Sept 1, 2016 6:59:41 GMT -5
StoryGirl: You're welcome. It's always fun to have discussions about things like this. I stand by what I said for the most part, but I too can see a reality in which Prue goes along with the idea of kids in part because she is so used to being a mother figure already. But to me, she did seem like she was going down that path more in season 1 than when we last saw her in season 3. Her season 3 self seemed the most unsettled of all of them. But who knows? She may have come back to a calmer version of herself had she stayed.
I actually think that might have been Prue's struggle if she had lived. She's spent her whole life taking care of others, and in season 3, we saw her getting more into fighting demons than was probably safe, and in exploring other parts of her personality she had always suppressed. I think season 4 and possibly later would have had Prue learning about how to balance all those aspects of her personality, learning more about who she was. I think she existed somewhere between responsible Prue and demon-hunter Prue, and she needed to find her way back.
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Post by cyma on Sept 2, 2016 9:25:31 GMT -5
Very interesting thread. I have to think more about the rest of ‘if Prue had been alive' scenarios. For season 8, how Prue will react to Billie and Christy I already answered in another thread: I don't think so. She was willing to save that man in Wrestling With Demons from being a demon, she risked her life for it. And he was perfectly willing to fry some random guy to be full demon at the start; he wasn't even brainwashed. I don't think wayward witches would have caused her to lose that determination. Christy was brainwashed; and not actually entirely wrong about the sisters, though of course she went to the extreme with wanting to kill them for the Triad. Billie loved her sister and was confused, and perfectly willing to try and talk it out with Phoebe until Piper ruined it. Prue never in a million years would have let her younger sisters rabid desire to level all opposition to seeing Leo as fast as possible get in the way of saving the Jenkins. This. Prue was also willing to save Bane, who actually sent a hitwoman to kill her and her sisters. Not to mention kidnapped Prue later. And let's not forget Brendan the priest. Both Piper and Phoebe trusted neither, but they trusted Prue so they went along with whatever plan she had to help those guys. Another reason Prue would try to save Billie and Christy is because she had a very stubborn personality. The reason Piper just accepted killing Billie and Christy was the only way was because the battle was destined. And previous experience had shown her that there was no way to fight against what was destined. Even if she tried to save them, if it was destined that they battle each other and one of them have to die, it would happen no matter what she did to prevent the battle from happening. That's why Piper just accepted it. When the Angel of Destiny herself tells you, how can you not accept it's inevitable? Prue however always had a hard time accepting things. She fought against the Angel of Death and tried to save inspector even if it was his time. Even after the episode, she learned something but it was obvious she never accepted death or the greater reason things happen. In the season 2 episode, 'That Old Black Magic,' it was Kyle's destiny to defeat the evil witch Tuatha, but Prue didn't accept that and went to confront the witch and destroy her so Kyle wouldn't need to face her. I'm pretty sure Prue would've take a similar approach when learning their Ultimate Battle was against a brainwashed witch and her sister. She would've tried to find loopholes. However, I imagine all bets would be off if Prue's sisters get hurt by Billie and Christy. She was ready to send Pratt flying to his death for trying to burn Phoebe to death had Phoebe not stopped her. Not to mention send reporters flying after Piper was brutually shot. Christy was ready to put a three year old Wyatt in harm's way to kill his mother and aunts. If Prue was a mother and Christy does something to harm her child or even nephew or nieces, plans to save Christy would be thrown out of the window right there. Perhaps Prue will react to Billie the same way she reacted to Aviva in the beginning. But it’s really hard to say without knowing how the seasons before had turned out with Prue alive. But Prue and Phoebe butting heads over how to approach the Billie and Christy issue I can definitely see. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 3, 2016 18:16:17 GMT -5
My flash forward of the finale, if indispensable, would be: PRUE (if she was live):famous photographer, she travels the world for reportage about social problems and different customs and tradition Whens she comes back to San Francisco she lives in a penthouse with Bane She save innocents around the world and if it needed, she calls her nephews, able to orb, to help PIPER: she started adding to P3 a small restaurant only reservation, it was successful,now the restaurant is workinh a lot even if opened only in the evening but it has more tables Two sons, she thinks they are enough Leo resumed his studies, graduated and works as a doctor PHOEBE:after graduating in psychology, she runs a blog of therapeutic help in addition to her job as columnist She has an only daughter, Prudence, who inherited her power of premonition She met Alec again and they fell in love, he is Prudence's father PAIGE: she and Henry decided to have two kids, one adopted, the other biological Henry Jr was adopted, the twins were a nice surprise The twins have not whitelighter powers, they are able only to freeeze time Paige doesn't work as whitelighter, she works part-time as social worker and she has started painting again You know me, Sol - I'm always willing to admit that I'm wrong when I've been proven wrong and I've gotta admit what you guys have said makes a whole lot of sense. Although I'd still prefer Prue and Paige with kids and Phoebe and Piper without, since I think both Phoebe and Piper would make horrible mothers while Prue and Paige wouldn't, your scenario is probably the most realistic. The only thing I disagree with is the twins. If Wyatt and Chris get whitelighter powers (I would prefer they didn't, but they do)...so do the twins. Just because their dad is mortal doesn't meant they wouldn't inherit their mother's ability. After all, the Charmed Ones' father is mortal and so was their grandfather and it didn't stop them from being the most powerful witches up to that time. So the same would be true with Paige's twins. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 3, 2016 18:28:39 GMT -5
StoryGirl: You're welcome. It's always fun to have discussions about things like this. I stand by what I said for the most part, but I too can see a reality in which Prue goes along with the idea of kids in part because she is so used to being a mother figure already. But to me, she did seem like she was going down that path more in season 1 than when we last saw her in season 3. Her season 3 self seemed the most unsettled of all of them. But who knows? She may have come back to a calmer version of herself had she stayed. I actually think that might have been Prue's struggle if she had lived. She's spent her whole life taking care of others, and in season 3, we saw her getting more into fighting demons than was probably safe, and in exploring other parts of her personality she had always suppressed. I think season 4 and possibly later would have had Prue learning about how to balance all those aspects of her personality, learning more about who she was. I think she existed somewhere between responsible Prue and demon-hunter Prue, and she needed to find her way back. Oh, man, you're right - that would've made a very interesting storyline, seeing what Prue would've been like without anyone to take care of. Unfortunately she was already being set up to be like what Piper ended up being - SuperWitch who constantly felt sorry for herself - so very different to S1 and S2 Prue. S3 Prue had all this pride that S1 and S2 Prue didn't. Had she continued in that path, I can definitely see her the way others have described her. I'm glad that never happened. |
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