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Post by rebooted on Aug 6, 2017 22:56:09 GMT -5
Just finished rewatching Season 4 last night. While I certainly enjoyed that season when it was on the air in my country, now I realise 'Charmed' really jumped the shark right from 'Charmed Again'. Then SUDDENLY it's all gone! No eldest sister, the middle sister trying to be the eldest one, the youngest sister who started to care much more about herself, not her sisters or even lover and another sister who was actually more likeable that her living sisters in season 4, but it didn't save the TV show from going downhill. The balance was gone. The only reason they were living together under the same roof was because of the most practical reasons - they needed the Power of Three, although their bond was never as strong as it was with Prue. Here we go: a TV show about three witches, who happen to be sisters. And as E.Duke Vincent once asked: "Why would anybody want to watch a show about three witches?" The season itself was OK: a lot of action, good writing, smart villains, but the loss of the crucial concept is simply irreparable. It really was. Doesn't help that they tried to eventually write the series as if Prue was never around, and make it like the second set grew up together. You forget that Phoebe is really the baby at heart, and she felt like she was written to be the middle sister. It shouldn't matter. I can really see why so many people do not like the second half of the series. Especially when the show was no longer about the sisterhood, as many here have said at times. Yeah you're right. Although I have to applaud the beginning of the 4th Season given what the writers HAD to deal with at time of the circumstances. I do like episodes from the second half of Season 4 like Charmed and Dangerous, The Fifth Halliwell, Saving Private Leo, We're off to see the Wizard, Long Live the Queen and Womb Raidar. The last three especially for the sisterly relationship. |
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Post by craig on Aug 7, 2017 23:22:54 GMT -5
It really was. Doesn't help that they tried to eventually write the series as if Prue was never around, and make it like the second set grew up together. You forget that Phoebe is really the baby at heart, and she felt like she was written to be the middle sister. It shouldn't matter. I can really see why so many people do not like the second half of the series. Especially when the show was no longer about the sisterhood, as many here have said at times. Yeah you're right. Although I have to applaud the beginning of the 4th Season given what the writers HAD to deal with at time of the circumstances. I do like episodes from the second half of Season 4 like Charmed and Dangerous, The Fifth Halliwell, Saving Private Leo, We're off to see the Wizard, Long Live the Queen and Womb Raidar. The last three especially for the sisterly relationship. I did like what they did in the beginning of season 4. Even if, I felt it was still rushed - we did have some nice moments and loved Paige. Now as for the second half, I don't like how they wrote the Source. So apart from some great sisterly moments, I'm much more a fan of the earlier half to the season. I didn't mind Saving Private Leo and The Fifth Halliwell. Wasn't too much a fan of Bite Me. Felt more like just throwing together vampires because Buffy was gone from WB, and trying to appeal to the Buffy audience. I wouldn't have minded if it was an episode earlier in season 4, when Cole was human and the Vampire Queen trying to make Cole her king. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 15, 2018 4:46:16 GMT -5
Seems its one way or the other with our opinions for S4. We either really love it, or now dislike it.
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Post by rebooted on May 10, 2018 21:40:26 GMT -5
I had a look through my computer copies of Season 4 and started watching snipits.
I do really enjoy watching from Charmed Again until Charmed and Dangerous.
I especially do like the filler episodes and the introduction to Paige.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 10, 2018 22:31:03 GMT -5
I had a look through my computer copies of Season 4 and started watching snipits. I do really enjoy watching from Charmed Again until Charmed and Dangerous. I especially do like the filler episodes and the introduction to Paige. As long as you throw out 'Hell Hath No Fury', I'd agree totally. Paige telling Piper that it's okay to hate Prue, something an assistant social worker would *never* say and should've set Piper up into turning into a Banshee rather than setting her up into turning into Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper will always rub me the wrong way. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on May 10, 2018 23:30:44 GMT -5
I had a look through my computer copies of Season 4 and started watching snipits. I do really enjoy watching from Charmed Again until Charmed and Dangerous. I especially do like the filler episodes and the introduction to Paige. As long as you throw out 'Hell Hath No Fury', I'd agree totally. Paige telling Piper that it's okay to hate Prue, something an assistant social worker would *never* say and should've set Piper up into turning into a Banshee rather than setting her up into turning into Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper will always rub me the wrong way. Couldn't agree more with Es here dears. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on May 11, 2018 19:53:30 GMT -5
Season 4 was good up until Charmed and Dangerous. That is when the show died imo.
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Post by rebooted on May 13, 2018 10:30:23 GMT -5
I had a look through my computer copies of Season 4 and started watching snipits. I do really enjoy watching from Charmed Again until Charmed and Dangerous. I especially do like the filler episodes and the introduction to Paige. As long as you throw out 'Hell Hath No Fury', I'd agree totally. Paige telling Piper that it's okay to hate Prue, something an assistant social worker would *never* say and should've set Piper up into turning into a Banshee rather than setting her up into turning into Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper will always rub me the wrong way. I have to disagree with that one. For me its one of the most powerful scenes of the entire series.
I also think the messaging was... "It is ok to Hate Prue" ...NOW, for leaving and being so reckless but acknowledging that's how you feel...and then moving on from that resentment into acceptance.
HHNF IMO one of the best episodes of the series. But that's what I like about this board. It's cool to have different opinions.
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Post by Elle Em on May 13, 2018 10:43:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't see it as Paige telling Piper to turn her back on Prue's memory, but rather that it was okay for Piper to be mad that Prue took such a risk. I think Prue will always be Piper's best friend. She certainly didn't hate her. But I think Piper needed to be pushed to admit out loud that she hated what Prue did and what happened to her.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 13, 2018 10:59:58 GMT -5
And I have to disagree. If she said "It's okay to hate Prue for leaving you", I'd agree - but it's not what she said. And Piper's reply simply showed how much she was feeling sorry for herself. It was the start of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper. What a true assistant social worker would've said was to try to make Prue feel proud of her by taking care of Phoebe and being the big sister to Phoebs that Prue was to Piper. That would've let Piper become a better person rather than worse one.
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Post by rebooted on May 13, 2018 21:40:27 GMT -5
And I have to disagree. If she said "It's okay to hate Prue for leaving you", I'd agree - but it's not what she said. And Piper's reply simply showed how much she was feeling sorry for herself. It was the start of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper. What a true assistant social worker would've said was to try to make Prue feel proud of her by taking care of Phoebe and being the big sister to Phoebs that Prue was to Piper. That would've let Piper become a better person rather than worse one. When within the last 7 days, you find out that a sister you've never meet dies.... then you find out that you've got two sisters, magical powers, a new wiccan destiny alongside demons, are one of the most power witches - and on top of that a white lighter too. Then your boyfriend is possessed by the Source of All Evil - who is by the way either influencing you to be evil OR kill you. Also, not having the Halliwell bond yet and seeing your ghost Mom and finding out the real reason after 25 years - why your parents gave you up...
I'm surprised Paige didn't actually say any worse at that point in HHNF or run for the hills. She showed true bravery, independent from being a Halliwell and ignited the light that was needed for a Fury (Not Piper!) to confront the suppressed feelings of grief which does include denial, anger and bargaining. As Phoebe even said "She saved your life".
I also don't agree that it was the start of Poor, Pitiful Piper - you just have to watch Magic Hour or Just Harried or even episodes within Season 1 to know that she always had an element of that.
Also, I too, do sometimes watch episodes like Sleuthing with the Enemy for example and identify key moments in the show when "this was the start of this" or "that was the start of this", but that doesn't encapsulate of form the basis of how I feel about the independent episodes. Otherwise I would completely write off Wicca Envy, Secrets and Guys and Love Hurts because that's when Whitelighters started to become more Charmed-centric with their flawed concept of forbidden love and being more powerful then witches and Piper and Leo's relationship forming the basis of the show in the later seasons instead of the sisterhood.
But it's also why I like coming here because I like how people see things differently. Love being able to talk so passionately about some of my favourite scenes and episodes after all these years!
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Post by Esmeralda on May 14, 2018 4:03:53 GMT -5
And I have to disagree. If she said "It's okay to hate Prue for leaving you", I'd agree - but it's not what she said. And Piper's reply simply showed how much she was feeling sorry for herself. It was the start of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper. What a true assistant social worker would've said was to try to make Prue feel proud of her by taking care of Phoebe and being the big sister to Phoebs that Prue was to Piper. That would've let Piper become a better person rather than worse one. When within the last 7 days, you find out that a sister you've never meet dies.... then you find out that you've got two sisters, magical powers, a new wiccan destiny alongside demons, are one of the most power witches - and on top of that a white lighter too. Then your boyfriend is possessed by the Source of All Evil - who is by the way either influencing you to be evil OR kill you. Also, not having the Halliwell bond yet and seeing your ghost Mom and finding out the real reason after 25 years - why your parents gave you up...
I'm surprised Paige didn't actually say any worse at that point in HHNF or run for the hills. She showed true bravery, independent from being a Halliwell and ignited the light that was needed for a Fury (Not Piper!) to confront the suppressed feelings of grief which does include denial, anger and bargaining. As Phoebe even said "She saved your life".
I also don't agree that it was the start of Poor, Pitiful Piper - you just have to watch Magic Hour or Just Harried or even episodes within Season 1 to know that she always had an element of that.
Also, I too, do sometimes watch episodes like Sleuthing with the Enemy for example and identify key moments in the show when "this was the start of this" or "that was the start of this", but that doesn't encapsulate of form the basis of how I feel about the independent episodes. Otherwise I would completely write off Wicca Envy, Secrets and Guys and Love Hurts because that's when Whitelighters started to become more Charmed-centric with their flawed concept of forbidden love and being more powerful then witches and Piper and Leo's relationship forming the basis of the show in the later seasons instead of the sisterhood.
But it's also why I like coming here because I like how people see things differently. Love being able to talk so passionately about some of my favourite scenes and episodes after all these years!
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Post by prudencehalliwell on May 14, 2018 18:39:00 GMT -5
And I have to disagree. If she said "It's okay to hate Prue for leaving you", I'd agree - but it's not what she said. And Piper's reply simply showed how much she was feeling sorry for herself. It was the start of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper. What a true assistant social worker would've said was to try to make Prue feel proud of her by taking care of Phoebe and being the big sister to Phoebs that Prue was to Piper. That would've let Piper become a better person rather than worse one. When within the last 7 days, you find out that a sister you've never meet dies.... then you find out that you've got two sisters, magical powers, a new wiccan destiny alongside demons, are one of the most power witches - and on top of that a white lighter too. Then your boyfriend is possessed by the Source of All Evil - who is by the way either influencing you to be evil OR kill you. Also, not having the Halliwell bond yet and seeing your ghost Mom and finding out the real reason after 25 years - why your parents gave you up...
I'm surprised Paige didn't actually say any worse at that point in HHNF or run for the hills. She showed true bravery, independent from being a Halliwell and ignited the light that was needed for a Fury (Not Piper!) to confront the suppressed feelings of grief which does include denial, anger and bargaining. As Phoebe even said "She saved your life".
I also don't agree that it was the start of Poor, Pitiful Piper - you just have to watch Magic Hour or Just Harried or even episodes within Season 1 to know that she always had an element of that.
Also, I too, do sometimes watch episodes like Sleuthing with the Enemy for example and identify key moments in the show when "this was the start of this" or "that was the start of this", but that doesn't encapsulate of form the basis of how I feel about the independent episodes. Otherwise I would completely write off Wicca Envy, Secrets and Guys and Love Hurts because that's when Whitelighters started to become more Charmed-centric with their flawed concept of forbidden love and being more powerful then witches and Piper and Leo's relationship forming the basis of the show in the later seasons instead of the sisterhood.
But it's also why I like coming here because I like how people see things differently. Love being able to talk so passionately about some of my favourite scenes and episodes after all these years!That
That's great about the fans, we can disagree on things but at the end of the day were all here loving Charmed passionately. Although I'm with Es on this one. But I can see why you feel this way. You do bring up a good point, so many periods or episodes in the entire series are a turning point for good or bad reasons, but everyone will see it differently. |
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Post by rebooted on May 15, 2018 3:29:44 GMT -5
When within the last 7 days, you find out that a sister you've never meet dies.... then you find out that you've got two sisters, magical powers, a new wiccan destiny alongside demons, are one of the most power witches - and on top of that a white lighter too. Then your boyfriend is possessed by the Source of All Evil - who is by the way either influencing you to be evil OR kill you. Also, not having the Halliwell bond yet and seeing your ghost Mom and finding out the real reason after 25 years - why your parents gave you up...
I'm surprised Paige didn't actually say any worse at that point in HHNF or run for the hills. She showed true bravery, independent from being a Halliwell and ignited the light that was needed for a Fury (Not Piper!) to confront the suppressed feelings of grief which does include denial, anger and bargaining. As Phoebe even said "She saved your life".
I also don't agree that it was the start of Poor, Pitiful Piper - you just have to watch Magic Hour or Just Harried or even episodes within Season 1 to know that she always had an element of that.
Also, I too, do sometimes watch episodes like Sleuthing with the Enemy for example and identify key moments in the show when "this was the start of this" or "that was the start of this", but that doesn't encapsulate of form the basis of how I feel about the independent episodes. Otherwise I would completely write off Wicca Envy, Secrets and Guys and Love Hurts because that's when Whitelighters started to become more Charmed-centric with their flawed concept of forbidden love and being more powerful then witches and Piper and Leo's relationship forming the basis of the show in the later seasons instead of the sisterhood.
But it's also why I like coming here because I like how people see things differently. Love being able to talk so passionately about some of my favourite scenes and episodes after all these years!That
That's great about the fans, we can disagree on things but at the end of the day were all here loving Charmed passionately. Although I'm with Es on this one. But I can see why you feel this way. You do bring up a good point, so many periods or episodes in the entire series are a turning point for good or bad reasons, but everyone will see it differently. I also think I have more of a positive feeling about that show in it's entirety and forget and overlook some of the detail. Which is why I do like diversity of the board so much. |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 15, 2018 4:18:16 GMT -5
That's great about the fans, we can disagree on things but at the end of the day were all here loving Charmed passionately. Although I'm with Es on this one. But I can see why you feel this way. You do bring up a good point, so many periods or episodes in the entire series are a turning point for good or bad reasons, but everyone will see it differently. I also think I have more of a positive feeling about that show in it's entirety and forget and overlook some of the detail. Which is why I do like diversity of the board so much. LOL, and I tend to remember the negativity, especially in the last five seasons, while forgetting the good parts while also tending to remember the good parts of Last Half S1-First Half S3 and forgetting the bad parts. All the fun of being fans! It's part of why I'm looking forward to our rewatch, since it includes some episodes I don't like but might remind me of the good parts of them. |
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Post by prudencehalliwell on May 17, 2018 23:16:47 GMT -5
I also think I have more of a positive feeling about that show in it's entirety and forget and overlook some of the detail. Which is why I do like diversity of the board so much. LOL, and I tend to remember the negativity, especially in the last five seasons, while forgetting the good parts while also tending to remember the good parts of Last Half S1-First Half S3 and forgetting the bad parts. All the fun of being fans! It's part of why I'm looking forward to our rewatch, since it includes some episodes I don't like but might remind me of the good parts of them. Yup, all the fun of being a fan and being at this forum. I sometimes may not agree, but I still enjoy reading everyone's point of view. |
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Post by pheebs on Jun 28, 2018 15:31:03 GMT -5
This season is a mixed bag full of promise. I liked some of it but at the same time hated it.
Now had they known S5 was a go ahead of time. Then this season would be better if they did more Prue mourning and more Paige building and the sisters truly mourning and letting go of Prue.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Jun 28, 2018 17:44:25 GMT -5
Me too. *If* only they had known ahead of time. Season 4 may have turned out to be better if they organically did things at a better pace than what Season 4 turned out to be dear.
Now if it did happen this way, then Cole's final episode would be Long Live the Queen as the 100th episode. I'm not sure what this means for Phoebe and the baby, that might mean they either shift Piper having her first child until Season 6 or they shift the birth to the end of Season 5, with her finding out she's pregnant in the middle of Season 5.
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Post by universalcharmed on Jul 2, 2018 1:24:23 GMT -5
Season 4 was overall pretty solid. Paige's introduction was done nicely, Piper mourning Prue and having a hard time accepting Paige then taking on the other sister role was done nicely and Evil Phoebe was done nicely.
The only thing I didn't like about the season was the Cole stuff. Didn't care to much for Cole in Season 3 or 4 didn't actually start finding him interesting until Season 5. To me Cole was pretty boring this season. Thought the idea of Cole becoming good over night to be dumb because this was a dude who spent over a century being one of the most evil Demons in the Charmed Universe. While yes his Demon side is gone he still has that evil in him. It wasn't his demon side that made him evil it was him who made him evil. I always felt like the whole Demon thing was an excuse to make him seem like a good person.
The Best villain this season and within the top 3 of the entire series has to be the Seer. She did a fantastic job with being seen as a threat.
Favorite Episodes would be:
-Charmed Again
-A knight to Remember
-Size matters
-Brain Drain
-A Paige from the Past
-Muse to my Ears
-Trail by Magic
-Were off to see the Wizard
-Long live the Queen
-Womb raider
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Post by Emmett on Aug 24, 2021 1:18:16 GMT -5
Loved it, now dislike it.
I'm shocked how fifteen years changed my opinion. I was a massive fan of S4. But now, I HATE Cole after Charmed and Dangerous. I do like Paige in this season though, its just Phoebe is now very likable in the second half of S4. Piper jumps between likable and dislikeable depending on the episode.
I prefer Phoebe with Drake than with Cole. I'd rather Prue be matched with Cole in S3.
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