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Post by purelywyatt on Oct 29, 2016 19:22:42 GMT -5
Just watching Charmed more specifically "A Witch in time" by Daniel Cerone and in the scene where Baccara is telling Cole that he became The Source yet again got me thinking: Was this a future storyline that got canned after Julian decided not to renew his contract? Was Daniel Cerone who had a different vision for season 5 trying to redo the whole Cole as The Source storyline? Would The Avatars be the main Big Bad in this season if Julian had stayed? How do you think season 5 would've of been different if the writers knew Julian would stay for the whole season?
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Post by craig on Oct 29, 2016 20:03:51 GMT -5
I am not sure what could happen. But doesn't this mean season 7's Avatars storyline is now apart of season 5. It was set-up in season 5 and most likely would of been Cole's story and not Leo's.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Oct 30, 2016 6:13:38 GMT -5
Well dears I am curious too Craig if they would of done the Avatar storyline in season 5 instead. Especially if this is how Chris returns from the future - at the end of the season to help the sisters with them.
But how would Cole's character have left if he had gotten a full season. This girl has no clue.
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 30, 2016 12:03:10 GMT -5
Maybe the character that Julian McMahon played, Cole Turner would've been lobotomized more and dragged through the seventh layer of character-creations hell. Cole's character was butchered with the whole driven mad thing, and multiple suicide attempts, so having him be on the show would legit be, a mental mad men with an undying passionate love for Phoebe and that would of continued through season five if he was still on the show.
That or he will become a completely unlovable and crazy character on the show, which would of made no sense anyways. I am happy he died when he did, it gave his character some dignity to his love storyline with Phoebe. I felt sorry for him when he died, his character just suffered way too much in my opinion, to keep him going.
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Post by unakite on Nov 1, 2016 16:38:52 GMT -5
Cole proved he could be a very smart Source, I would like having him as the Source in season five
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Post by Granny Charmed on Nov 1, 2016 19:35:11 GMT -5
Maybe the character that Julian McMahon played, Cole Turner would've been lobotomized more and dragged through the seventh layer of character-creations hell. Cole's character was butchered with the whole driven mad thing, and multiple suicide attempts, so having him be on the show would legit be, a mental mad men with an undying passionate love for Phoebe and that would of continued through season five if he was still on the show. That or he will become a completely unlovable and crazy character on the show, which would of made no sense anyways. I am happy he died when he did, it gave his character some dignity to his love storyline with Phoebe. I felt sorry for him when he died, his character just suffered way too much in my opinion, to keep him going. I agree, sometimes it is best dear to not drag things out forever. Personally I would of been happy if he stayed gone after season 4. Imagine if Brad Kern locked Julian into a contract like he did with Rose. I don't want to think dears where Cole would of gone had he stayed *even* longer through season 6. Good he left when he did. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 2, 2016 4:39:07 GMT -5
Yes it was Granny just the way he did wasn't executed though properly I think.
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Post by ljones on Nov 2, 2016 23:53:47 GMT -5
I would hope that the sisters would have eventually learned the truth about Cole and the Source . . . but I suspect that hope would have been in vain anyway. This series was never capable of portraying moral ambiguity in an honest way.
And honestly, if many believe that getting rid of Cole would have been for the best, then Kern should have gotten rid of Leo as well. The latter was a lot less interesting than Cole.
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Post by BriannaWarren on Nov 3, 2016 0:10:26 GMT -5
I would hope that the sisters would have eventually learned the truth about Cole and the Source . . . but I suspect that hope would have been in vain anyway. This series was never capable of portraying moral ambiguity in an honest way. And honestly, if many believe that getting rid of Cole would have been for the best, then Kern should have gotten rid of Leo as well. The latter was a lot less interesting than Cole. I do believe your first point, the Charmed Ones actions always felt a bit (or over) dramatic when it came towards Cole and even the innocents they were saving. It felt too rushed to even develop an opinion on what diversities the situation was, for example: Paige when she finds out that Sam is her biological father, in real life, you would be trying to soak all of that emotion in and even want to talk about it for a long period of time, in the series however, it was a completely different to how people would of reacted to it in real life, even to the point of her hating Sam for what he has done, but if she was to even ask Sam questions about how he felt or questions that you would normally ask, maybe she would've understood, mind you, Paige "was'' working at social services she would of seen plenty of these types of cases. Well Leo, for better words, served a purpose after a while and even as his character on the show was first introduced. He still went to the Elders to find out information about the demons they were battling and he did give that information to the sisters. Cole's character just ended up being a lovesick, lack of batter words, pathetic demon after a while. In my weird way, I would of liked it better if he tried to kill the sisters after Phoebe divorced him rather than the stupid suicide attempts that he did. Cole Turner as a demonic character on the show had so much potential rather than just to have him as a demon that fell in love hard for Phoebe Halliwell. |
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 3, 2016 13:17:26 GMT -5
I would hope that the sisters would have eventually learned the truth about Cole and the Source . . . but I suspect that hope would have been in vain anyway. This series was never capable of portraying moral ambiguity in an honest way. And honestly, if many believe that getting rid of Cole would have been for the best, then Kern should have gotten rid of Leo as well. The latter was a lot less interesting than Cole. Although Charmed speaks of magical worlds, the underlying theme is always the importance of feelings The Power of Three is based on the relationship and the harmony of the sisters, Piper and Phoebe stop the Apocalypse not because of their powers but of their sense of duty to humanity, Leo stops evil Wyatt thanks to his fatherly love, Cole dares ask the Source to rewind time because Phoebe took the risks to look for him in Underwolrd, for love The Triad is not able to eliminate the Charmed Ones because Belthazor fell in love with Phoebe Love is more powerful than magic powers and this was the fundamental role of Cole |
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Post by ljones on Nov 3, 2016 19:34:09 GMT -5
Love can also have a negative impact on a person's emotions and decisions. I'm not just speaking about Cole. I am referring to all of them. We all know how the loss of Phoebe had affected Cole in a very negative way. Something similar happened to Piper following Prue's death. After Inspector Reece's death, Prue found herself thinking about Patty and Andy's deaths and this nearly drove her to evil. Phoebe and Paige were willing to rip out Darryl's soul against his will in order to save Leo from Vahalla, so that he could break the spell he had cast on Piper. Both Phoebe and Paige set up a man to be murdered by demons so that they could not only punish the guy for exploiting Phoebe's abilities, but also prevent Chris from being saved by said demons.
Love does have a fundamental role on the series - in both positive and negative ways.
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Post by Sadrick on Nov 3, 2016 20:03:57 GMT -5
Love is the preeminent force of motivation in this series, I agree. It was the love of a conflicted and ambivalent son who defied the normalities of demonhood by loving and wishing to be reunited with a mortal human father who was tragically robbed from him as an infant by the woman whom any child should be able to turn to for consolation that spurred Cole into pursuing the sisters in the first place. It was a morally intricate affair that would have no doubt thrown a wrench into the sisters' binary mode of thinking if they realised the demonic hitman who was hyped to be the scourge of all goodness was battling for reasons that they of all people should be able to empathise with.
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Post by sol on Nov 4, 2016 2:20:05 GMT -5
I'ld call it grief, despair at the loss of a love, a son, a sister
Some deaths bring to despair people, these are normal and trivially human feelings
In the series the sisters are normal people, not superhero dedicated round the clock, ready to die singing
Love can be wonderful or detrimental, in Phoebe and Cole's case it has been detrimental to both: the joyful personality of Phoebe is destroyed, Cole remains cut off from his world without getting the love for which he had fough
No happy ending for them and everything starts when Cole loses his demonic powers, powers that are part of himself, and no love can survive the loss of a part of himself, other trivial consideration
When Cole accepts the Avatar's offer, he is a different person, no more the reliable mercenary or the enamored demon or the intelligent Source, but a person without a role, a place in the world
Maybe if he stayed until the end of the season, i'ld be interesting to see his new evolution that maybe is born from hisfriendship with Drake
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Post by ljones on Nov 20, 2016 14:56:40 GMT -5
Yes, it was grief . . . in the cases for Piper, Prue and Cole. All three made it clear that they were incapable of dealing with loss (of different kinds) in a healthy way. Instead, they resorted to ugly behavior. Actually, a lot of individuals are like that.
Phoebe and Cole weren't the only ones who resorted to ugly behavior in the name of love. So have the other Halliwell sisters, Leo and some guest characters.
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Post by magena on Nov 29, 2016 14:42:27 GMT -5
They lose a son, in the real world also many couples cannot get through the loss of a baby
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Post by sol on Dec 20, 2016 2:15:07 GMT -5
What is the healthy way to deal with loss?
Piper lost her sister and best friend, Phoebe her almost- mother - sister
Instead. addressing the Source without Prue involved the loss of a child, the almost destruction of their strong link as sisters, the almost destruction of Phoebe's personality, the loss of a love....far from than the rest of life to mourn Prue!
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Post by imdb lives on on Oct 15, 2017 2:07:58 GMT -5
Cole was dragged through the mud enough and I couldn't stand to see him that way. All my favorite eps don't even involve him and if he had stayed it would've made it the worst season.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 5:05:22 GMT -5
Cole was dragged through the mud enough and I couldn't stand to see him that way. All my favorite eps don't even involve him and if he had stayed it would've made it the worst season. I couldn't agree more! Cole should've never been in S5, to begin with. |
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Post by aggiefan12 on Aug 15, 2023 17:11:53 GMT -5
Just watching Charmed more specifically "A Witch in time" by Daniel Cerone and in the scene where Baccara is telling Cole that he became The Source yet again got me thinking: Was this a future storyline that got canned after Julian decided not to renew his contract? Was Daniel Cerone who had a different vision for season 5 trying to redo the whole Cole as The Source storyline? Would The Avatars be the main Big Bad in this season if Julian had stayed? How do you think season 5 would've of been different if the writers knew Julian would stay for the whole season? I think the episode was supposed to foreshadow Cole to reorganize the Underworld in Importance of Being Phoebe which would lead into his demise in the 100 episode just my guess |
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Post by rebooted on Aug 16, 2023 1:54:40 GMT -5
I am not sure what could happen. But doesn't this mean season 7's Avatars storyline is now apart of season 5. It was set-up in season 5 and most likely would of been Cole's story and not Leo's. I think so too. I think Cole would have joined the Avatars after straddling both good and evil . Then the Charmed Ones would have to team up with a Zankou like demon to stop the Avatars Coles storyline comes to an end when his soul and his fathers soul are finally freed. |
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