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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 3, 2017 18:04:07 GMT -5
Jeremy making Phoebe's debt happen is interesting. I remember, though, in one episode where they seemed to have bad luck happen, (Piper was going to lose the club, Paige had a car accident, can't remember Phoebe's) didn't they say no Warlock had the power to just take stuff away? I can't remember exactly what they said about that. So that makes me wonder if he could have. Never thought about that before. Don't recall the warlock thing, but the episode with bad luck was 'The Importance of Being Phoebe' in season 5. Phoebe was being sued for giving bad advice by some woman. But it wasn't a spell or anything to cause bad luck Cole used. Just sending demons to sabotage things at the right time and right place. In season 4, Cole/Source did the same thing to make Phoebe move in with him by turning on the fire alarm and cutting off the power in the Manor. The darklighter who makes people commit suicide was the one who infected people with bad luck. And also leprechauns. It's a possibility Jeremy pulled Cole's tricks on Phoebe and sabotaged her job. Perhaps even did something which made her unable to get another one. Phoebe didn't even have cab money when she got back. Another theory is, he asked the witches he killed to cast a little bad luck on Phoebe. It seemed like the witch he killed at the beginning had told him about her powers and magic. So why not take advantage of that too before killing and stealing their powers? It wouldn't surprise me dear if Jeremy did play a role in getting Phoebe back to town. But if he wanted to cast bad luck on Phoebe. He would of done so himself. But I like your theory on him stealing their powers to do it or getting someone else. Because *no way* would Jeremy just sit and wait a long time for Phoebe to return. Now we now Grams had heart problems and it was truly natural, but at one time I always thought Jeremy was the one to make Grams ill. But now I have decided against that theory. He must of just been such a stalker and keeping tabs on them for quite some time. |
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Post by cyma on Feb 4, 2017 9:25:45 GMT -5
Now we now Grams had heart problems and it was truly natural, but at one time I always thought Jeremy was the one to make Grams ill. But now I have decided against that theory. He must of just been such a stalker and keeping tabs on them for quite some time. Well I've got a theory for Grams heart problems too  Her heart condition could be a consequence of binding the sisters' powers. She used her magic to contain the powers of three of the world's most powerful witches. That just seems like too much of a strain on a normal witch. In addition, she also prevented destiny from taking its course. How many innocents lives could've been saved had Grams unbound their powers earlier and taught them everything? It's no wonder when she finally decides to completely strip the Charmed Ones' of their powers, she's struck down by a heart attack and never recovers. Even if she put a condition on the binding of a natural death, her natural life was shortened. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 4, 2017 12:23:11 GMT -5
Now we now Grams had heart problems and it was truly natural, but at one time I always thought Jeremy was the one to make Grams ill. But now I have decided against that theory. He must of just been such a stalker and keeping tabs on them for quite some time. Well I've got a theory for Grams heart problems too Her heart condition could be a consequence of binding the sisters' powers. She used her magic to contain the powers of three of the world's most powerful witches. That just seems like too much of a strain on a normal witch. In addition, she also prevented destiny from taking its course. How many innocents lives could've been saved had Grams unbound their powers earlier and taught them everything? It's no wonder when she finally decides to completely strip the Charmed Ones' of their powers, she's struck down by a heart attack and never recovers. Even if she put a condition on the binding of a natural death, her natural life was shortened. WOW, Cyma - that just makes so much sense! Great job! |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 4, 2017 21:06:32 GMT -5
Now we now Grams had heart problems and it was truly natural, but at one time I always thought Jeremy was the one to make Grams ill. But now I have decided against that theory. He must of just been such a stalker and keeping tabs on them for quite some time. Well I've got a theory for Grams heart problems too Her heart condition could be a consequence of binding the sisters' powers. She used her magic to contain the powers of three of the world's most powerful witches. That just seems like too much of a strain on a normal witch. In addition, she also prevented destiny from taking its course. How many innocents lives could've been saved had Grams unbound their powers earlier and taught them everything? It's no wonder when she finally decides to completely strip the Charmed Ones' of their powers, she's struck down by a heart attack and never recovers. Even if she put a condition on the binding of a natural death, her natural life was shortened. WOW! Dear you have come up with the best theory out of anything I have heard. I love this! |
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Post by Miranda Turner on Feb 4, 2017 21:10:23 GMT -5
I love your theory Cyma. Makes perfect sense.
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Post by cyma on Feb 8, 2017 8:24:02 GMT -5
I would like to amend the theory to add that Grams not only contained the powers of the three most powerful witches, but a half-witch and half-whitelighter as well.  Wonder if the reason she couldn't bind Paige's whitelighter powers were because of too much strain, or because she was capable of only binding witchy powers. Though if you need to hide a forbidden baby from the Elders' radar, it's important that you actually bind the whitelighter powers too, especially if you're giving away the baby to mortals to raise. Perhaps Grams did bind all of Paige's powers. But her weakening heart made the binding magic weak too? And faced with a life and death situation, Paige triggered her orbing powers? Another theory is Patty was the one who did the binding magic on Paige. While Paige can't go and say the spell to awaken her powers like Phoebe did after Patty's death, she could trigger her whitelighter side when faced with a traumatic situation. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 9, 2017 6:11:12 GMT -5
Cyma keep up these theories, you have really opened up my mind dear. So much I never considered but makes so much sense.
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Post by cyma on Feb 9, 2017 7:49:14 GMT -5
Cyma keep up these theories, you have really opened up my mind dear. So much I never considered but makes so much sense. Thanks Here's more to stretch your mind. While I would like to think Patty would be the one to do the binding while saying an emotional goodbye to baby Paige, there's another possibility that Patty had to drink a binding potion while pregnant with Paige. Paige's orbing powers work on fear. So does Patty's freezing power. So what if she suddenly taps into orbing powers while pregnant? Heck what if Patty found out she was pregnant because she orbed? Patty had no idea she was pregnant with Phoebe, even after getting a premonition. It was Nicholas attacking her that she finally believed. Orbing isn't a witch power at all so Patty can't really stay in a state of denial. But if Paige was like baby Chris, no powers displayed or developed in the womb, then the question comes, why give Paige away? It makes more sense to give Paige away after binding her powers if she had displayed those said powers and it scared both Grams and Patty of Elder repercussions. But if Paige displayed no powers, then they could just keep her, even have the Elders and everyone believe Victor was the real father. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 9, 2017 22:25:40 GMT -5
Cyma keep up these theories, you have really opened up my mind dear. So much I never considered but makes so much sense. Thanks Here's more to stretch your mind. While I would like to think Patty would be the one to do the binding while saying an emotional goodbye to baby Paige, there's another possibility that Patty had to drink a binding potion while pregnant with Paige. Paige's orbing powers work on fear. So does Patty's freezing power. So what if she suddenly taps into orbing powers while pregnant? Heck what if Patty found out she was pregnant because she orbed? Patty had no idea she was pregnant with Phoebe, even after getting a premonition. It was Nicholas attacking her that she finally believed. Orbing isn't a witch power at all so Patty can't really stay in a state of denial. But if Paige was like baby Chris, no powers displayed or developed in the womb, then the question comes, why give Paige away? It makes more sense to give Paige away after binding her powers if she had displayed those said powers and it scared both Grams and Patty of Elder repercussions. But if Paige displayed no powers, then they could just keep her, even have the Elders and everyone believe Victor was the real father. Wow, another great theory dear. And Patty drinking a binding potion makes sense, especially while pregnant. I *like* all of this. So much to consider. But you are so on point dear with why they didn't bind her powers especially due to the Elder's repercussions. Especially keeping her and passing her off as Victor's daughter, if Paige displayed no powers. It would make a great reboot series with four sisters, if Paige were raised with her sisters. Even if she was or wasn't one of the Charmed Ones. Even though fans might wish all four sisters to be true sisters. |
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Post by Polarity on Feb 12, 2017 21:33:13 GMT -5
Jeremy making Phoebe's debt happen is interesting. I remember, though, in one episode where they seemed to have bad luck happen, (Piper was going to lose the club, Paige had a car accident, can't remember Phoebe's) didn't they say no Warlock had the power to just take stuff away? I can't remember exactly what they said about that. So that makes me wonder if he could have. Never thought about that before. Don't recall the warlock thing, but the episode with bad luck was 'The Importance of Being Phoebe' in season 5. Phoebe was being sued for giving bad advice by some woman. But it wasn't a spell or anything to cause bad luck Cole used. Just sending demons to sabotage things at the right time and right place. In season 4, Cole/Source did the same thing to make Phoebe move in with him by turning on the fire alarm and cutting off the power in the Manor. The darklighter who makes people commit suicide was the one who infected people with bad luck. And also leprechauns. It's a possibility Jeremy pulled Cole's tricks on Phoebe and sabotaged her job. Perhaps even did something which made her unable to get another one. Phoebe didn't even have cab money when she got back. Another theory is, he asked the witches he killed to cast a little bad luck on Phoebe. It seemed like the witch he killed at the beginning had told him about her powers and magic. So why not take advantage of that too before killing and stealing their powers? Then it makes sense that Jeremy could have sent a demon to sabotage Phoebe in some way to make her have to move back. He could have done that, then done some kind of mind control thing, where he put the idea in her head that moving back was the only choice she had. He could have even had the darklighter infect her with bad luck, but I don't think that would be it, because I don't think she could have just gotten rid of it easily. I think the whole Jeremy theory is better, and an extremely good point. I am more on board with Jeremy using the powers of the witches somehow himself rather than getting a witch to cast a spell on Phoebe. Though I guess they could have, I only see that happening if they had no other way out. I tend to think they would know he was going to kill them anyway, and not do it. Or maybe they felt they could escape somehow and reverse it? That's another thought. I tend to go the other way with the heart condition idea. I think binding their powers was important to Grams, and wouldn't necessarily help with putting strain on her heart, but rather just raising three bickering sisters is enough..lol Though, I do think she worried about them anyway, so if it put any more strain on her heart, for me it was more about just normal worrying about granddaughters. I also think they gave Paige away because if I remember right, Victor was supposedly out of the picture when they had Paige. Wasn't he? As always, I think I remember hearing conflicting stories on this. One I remember was Victor was already gone, and they got together, but because they weren't supposed to be together, they had to give her up. In the very last episode, Victor does say something to Patty about "you left me for your whitelighter.", so there it makes it seem like he wasn't already gone. The wonderful inconsistencies strike yet again. I swear, they should have had some of us fans as guides and writers! We could have told them if something was wrong, or not what had already happened!  |
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Post by sol on Feb 17, 2017 1:55:58 GMT -5
Victor left Patty because of magic, admitted it himself
Maybe , as many men, later he changed his mind and discovered that it was too late
I opt for it
Patty and Sam were hoping that Paige was never discovered, and they didn't provide a future for her as a witch, but a safe anonymity
It's the reason I think that Piper was right not binding Wyatt'powers
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 17, 2017 8:07:31 GMT -5
Victor left Patty because of magic, admitted it himself Maybe , as many men, later he changed his mind and discovered that it was too late I opt for it Patty and Sam were hoping that Paige was never discovered, and they didn't provide a future for her as a witch, but a safe anonymity It's the reason I think that Piper was right not binding Wyatt'powers Well I wouldn't unbind powers to the sisters until they were truly mature and ready - don't think any younger than 16 would be a good idea. But teaching them knowledge, potions and the tools of the trade first and then unbinding their powers when they were truly ready. That I agree with. The right age to do it, would be once each of the sisters graduates high school, with each of them gaining so much knowledge in preparation for becoming Charmed. Like a Witch Boot Camp. Just unbinding their powers without a crash course first doesn't feel right. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 18, 2017 3:11:13 GMT -5
No your right there Ruth Marie.
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 19, 2017 22:25:24 GMT -5
I am just new to commenting on this thread, and granted I might be all wet ... but I have to wonder about Jeremy's involvement in all this.
He is there in the beginning and if I recall correctly he met Piper when she was at the hospital sobbing over Grams. Could that have been orchestrated? Since some of us are now taking a better look at the Elders/The Angel of Destiny possibly planning Gram's demise, could they not have woven him into this without his knowledge? That surly would have taken any future heat off of them.
Piper knew almost nothing about her powers, yet she did manage to escape him in the elevator. The spell that blasted him was the most simplest of them all. "The Power of Three will set us Free."
If I were a cop in the real world ... I just might smell a set-up.
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Post by wyatt23 on Apr 11, 2023 6:17:01 GMT -5
Shouldn't Tyler, the Stillman sisters and any other witch or demons' powers the Charmed Ones binded be reversed considering how many times they've died? Also wouldn't the deaths of the sisters set free any immortal demons they've trapped? Like the one who had been turned into a tree in the Nymphs episode? But how many times did the charmed ones really die and move on like Grams? I mean once and all those you've listed took place after her. Every other time they haven't stayed dead. |
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Her heart condition could be a consequence of binding the sisters' powers. 
Wonder if the reason she couldn't bind Paige's whitelighter powers were because of too much strain, or because she was capable of only binding witchy powers. Though if you need to hide a forbidden baby from the Elders' radar, it's important that you actually bind the whitelighter powers too, especially if you're giving away the baby to mortals to raise. 
