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Post by cyma on Jan 24, 2017 1:59:06 GMT -5
Shouldn't Tyler, the Stillman sisters and any other witch or demons' powers the Charmed Ones binded be reversed considering how many times they've died?
Also wouldn't the deaths of the sisters set free any immortal demons they've trapped? Like the one who had been turned into a tree in the Nymphs episode?
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Jan 24, 2017 8:50:20 GMT -5
That is an interesting question. Maybe it's not dying, but moving on to the after life that does it?
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Post by unakite on Jan 24, 2017 9:02:37 GMT -5
I don't think
We know that Penny's death freed the powers of the sisters, this because Penny was their grandmother and probably had tied the spell to her very existence
As long as she was alive, Penny was able to protect her grandaughters, but never she would leave them at the mercy of demons and enemies with their powers still blinded
Without this link, I think that the spells survive to people
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Post by lordumbrex on Jan 24, 2017 16:29:39 GMT -5
It was the spell that Phoebe read in addition to Penny's death that unbound their powers. Presumably, the magical nature of a witch is still there when they're powers are bound, whereas if their powers are stripped they are then completely mortal.
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Post by cyma on Jan 25, 2017 13:59:37 GMT -5
It was the spell that Phoebe read in addition to Penny's death that unbound their powers. Presumably, the magical nature of a witch is still there when they're powers are bound, whereas if their powers are stripped they are then completely mortal. The saying the spell is kinda confusing since Grams stated in both 70s episode and Pre-witched that after her death, the sisters would automatically get their powers and she was in a desperate hurry to strip them completely before that happened. Sounded like she expected the girls' powers to activate the second she drew her last breath and for them to freak out completely and ultimately get killed in a state of panic. But that didn't happen. Phoebe went away to New York for six months and got in debt. Prue had the time to break her engagement with Roger and Piper and Jeremy hooked up. No sign of powers. That is until Phoebe read from the Book, revealing she already had her spellcasting ability. Death gives only the spellcasting powers back and one has to say the spell to get the active ones. Or so it seems. But if the Stillman sisters and Evil Enchantress can easily reawaken their active powers by reciting a spell like Phoebe, after her and her sisters permanent demise, how would Tyler reawaken his powers? How would any other being who isn't a witch? An intense emotional trigger? Like how Piper switched Leo's powers but couldn't use them until she triggered them through love? But then again, isn't that exactly how each of the sisters powers were triggered? Emotions? Wouldn't that also mean the sisters could actually trigger their active powers without the spell? But they probably needed something extremely life and death threatening to trigger them rather than simply getting angry at an annoying sibling or an ex-fiance. Like a car crash or the love of your life bleeding to death from a bullet wound. None of the things the sisters experienced in the six months after Grams's death. Could Jeremy finally deciding to make an attempt on Piper's life be the reason destiny or magic or ancestors' spirits or Grams gave Phoebe bad luck in New York, forcing her to come back to the Manor and then scared her with the spirit board, promoting her to get her butt to the attic, find the Book, say the spell which would allow them to trigger their active powers and Charmed status without a life and death trigger and be prepared and protect themselves from Jeremy? Witches and innocents were dying in those six months and nothing extraordinary happened to the girls then so they could stop those killings. But a day before Jeremy went psycho on Piper, she and her sisters coincidentally get their powers. |
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Post by cyma on Jan 25, 2017 14:15:47 GMT -5
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Post by lordumbrex on Jan 25, 2017 15:09:56 GMT -5
Honestly, I was going to answer you piece by piece, but I feel like it comes down to two things:
1) A spell that is written specifically for something by another witch can only be said by the witch that the spell was intended for. Look at Chris in Chris Crossed, there was absolutely no reason why he couldn't say the spell that the Charmed Ones had written on his own. He didn't need Phoebe and Paige to write the spell, if it was that easy, eh could have simply said some rhyme on his own. It makes no real logical sense, unless there is something special about spells meant specifically for someone, in this case, the spell that Phoebe read was intended to be the spell that Grams used in order to return their powers to them.
2) The writers used bind and strip interchangeably in the later seasons, so while the Stillman sisters were said to have their powers bound, they were really stripped, whereas Tyler himself was simply bounded and could be returned to him.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jan 27, 2017 13:05:49 GMT -5
I think there's a spell necessary to bind or unbind powers, or a potion as Piper did with Tyler. Otherwise, we would have had a minor chaos.  |
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Post by Polarity on Jan 30, 2017 21:10:16 GMT -5
I think they have to be more than just a few seconds or whatever. Maybe actually gone for more than that. Won't let me post below the quote below, so... I saw an inconsistency in when Grams died and that whole timeline thing. Jeremy said all that was needed was for Phoebe to return in order for them to get their powers. Yet Grams died and they were all together before Phoebe left, AND she had to read from the book, not just return. There was something else I noticed, but I'd have to watch those episodes again before it came to me. It may have been that it seemed like Phoebe wasn't actually there when Grams died, according to an earlier episode, but I'm not remembering right now. Of course, we all know there were tons of inconsistencies throughout Charmed.  It was the spell that Phoebe read in addition to Penny's death that unbound their powers. Presumably, the magical nature of a witch is still there when they're powers are bound, whereas if their powers are stripped they are then completely mortal. The saying the spell is kinda confusing since Grams stated in both 70s episode and Pre-witched that after her death, the sisters would automatically get their powers and she was in a desperate hurry to strip them completely before that happened. Sounded like she expected the girls' powers to activate the second she drew her last breath and for them to freak out completely and ultimately get killed in a state of panic. But that didn't happen. Phoebe went away to New York for six months and got in debt. Prue had the time to break her engagement with Roger and Piper and Jeremy hooked up. No sign of powers. That is until Phoebe read from the Book, revealing she already had her spellcasting ability. Death gives only the spellcasting powers back and one has to say the spell to get the active ones. Or so it seems. But if the Stillman sisters and Evil Enchantress can easily reawaken their active powers by reciting a spell like Phoebe, after her and her sisters permanent demise, how would Tyler reawaken his powers? How would any other being who isn't a witch? An intense emotional trigger? Like how Piper switched Leo's powers but couldn't use them until she triggered them through love? But then again, isn't that exactly how each of the sisters powers were triggered? Emotions? Wouldn't that also mean the sisters could actually trigger their active powers without the spell? But they probably needed something extremely life and death threatening to trigger them rather than simply getting angry at an annoying sibling or an ex-fiance. Like a car crash or the love of your life bleeding to death from a bullet wound. None of the things the sisters experienced in the six months after Grams's death. Could Jeremy finally deciding to make an attempt on Piper's life be the reason destiny or magic or ancestors' spirits or Grams gave Phoebe bad luck in New York, forcing her to come back to the Manor and then scared her with the spirit board, promoting her to get her butt to the attic, find the Book, say the spell which would allow them to trigger their active powers and Charmed status without a life and death trigger and be prepared and protect themselves from Jeremy? Witches and innocents were dying in those six months and nothing extraordinary happened to the girls then so they could stop those killings. But a day before Jeremy went psycho on Piper, she and her sisters coincidentally get their powers. |
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Post by cyma on Jan 31, 2017 13:45:49 GMT -5
I think they have to be more than just a few seconds or whatever. Maybe actually gone for more than that. Won't let me post below the quote below, so... I saw an inconsistency in when Grams died and that whole timeline thing. Jeremy said all that was needed was for Phoebe to return in order for them to get their powers. Yet Grams died and they were all together before Phoebe left, AND she had to read from the book, not just return. You're right. In season 3 Pre-witched, Phoebe was there with Piper and Prue when Grams fell down the stairs. She also attended the funeral since she was sitting on the sofa afterward where she dropped her plans to go away to her sisters. Yet in season 1's very first episode: And this: Six months ago, Jeremy should've definitely seen Phoebe hanging around the hospital and the funeral. And in the Manor later on if he was being a creepy stalker. He should've been scratching his head wondering why the sisters powers didn't return after Grams death when they were all together like he wanted. And yet again, the saying the spell to receive powers....what if Phoebe was never motivated to do that? Would Jeremy just kept on waiting for fifty more years? Would he have married Piper and had kids too?  Of course, we all know there were tons of inconsistencies throughout Charmed. Oh yeah. Makes me regret re-watching because I'm noticing them in the good seasons too. Like why did warlocks including Nicholas wait so long for Grams to die? Why not just bring back-up or hire a human assassin to kill her instead of waiting for the Charmed Ones to grow up and risk vanquishing them? What was with the whole being a secret admirer of Grams to check whether the sisters got their powers or not? Did Grams seriously not even suspect he was a warlock? Where did Grams get the power to bind the Charmed Ones powers when neither she nor Patty combined could send the future Charmed Ones home? Why did Grams not add the Woogy banishing spell in the Book but instead relied on a traumatized Phoebe to remember the spell as a grown-up incase the Woogy returned? Lol. Still love the show |
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Post by Polarity on Jan 31, 2017 15:01:53 GMT -5
I think they have to be more than just a few seconds or whatever. Maybe actually gone for more than that. Won't let me post below the quote below, so... I saw an inconsistency in when Grams died and that whole timeline thing. Jeremy said all that was needed was for Phoebe to return in order for them to get their powers. Yet Grams died and they were all together before Phoebe left, AND she had to read from the book, not just return. You're right. In season 3 Pre-witched, Phoebe was there with Piper and Prue when Grams fell down the stairs. She also attended the funeral since she was sitting on the sofa afterward where she dropped her plans to go away to her sisters. Yet in season 1's very first episode: And this: Six months ago, Jeremy should've definitely seen Phoebe hanging around the hospital and the funeral. And in the Manor later on if he was being a creepy stalker. He should've been scratching his head wondering why the sisters powers didn't return after Grams death when they were all together like he wanted. And yet again, the saying the spell to receive powers....what if Phoebe was never motivated to do that? Would Jeremy just kept on waiting for fifty more years? Would he have married Piper and had kids too? Of course, we all know there were tons of inconsistencies throughout Charmed. Oh yeah. Makes me regret re-watching because I'm noticing them in the good seasons too. Like why did warlocks including Nicholas wait so long for Grams to die? Why not just bring back-up or hire a human assassin to kill her instead of waiting for the Charmed Ones to grow up and risk vanquishing them? What was with the whole being a secret admirer of Grams to check whether the sisters got their powers or not? Did Grams seriously not even suspect he was a warlock? Where did Grams get the power to bind the Charmed Ones powers when neither she nor Patty combined could send the future Charmed Ones home? Why did Grams not add the Woogy banishing spell in the Book but instead relied on a traumatized Phoebe to remember the spell as a grown-up incase the Woogy returned? Lol. Still love the show I knew I was forgetting something! It was about how Piper and Jeremy met. I remember thinking that it was wrong, because of the episode showing Phoebe there when Grams died. Good questions! I have to wonder about those, too. I thought the binding was a spell? That's actually what she was carrying when she fell down the stairs. Piper bound firestarter Tyler's powers by having him drink the potion, and they tried to bind Phoebe's baby's powers by putting it in tea. Oh, I see what you mean about Nicholas. Why not just kill Grams himself? Maybe he thought he didn't have enough power or something? Or maybe he thought she was too strong? Maybe she had to die naturally? Though I don't think that's it..lol..I never thought about that before! And good point with the Woogy spell! Maybe she thought it would stay contained? But even so, she still should've written it down in the book. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Jan 31, 2017 20:44:06 GMT -5
I think they have to be more than just a few seconds or whatever. Maybe actually gone for more than that. Won't let me post below the quote below, so... I saw an inconsistency in when Grams died and that whole timeline thing. Jeremy said all that was needed was for Phoebe to return in order for them to get their powers. Yet Grams died and they were all together before Phoebe left, AND she had to read from the book, not just return. You're right. In season 3 Pre-witched, Phoebe was there with Piper and Prue when Grams fell down the stairs. She also attended the funeral since she was sitting on the sofa afterward where she dropped her plans to go away to her sisters. Yet in season 1's very first episode: And this: Six months ago, Jeremy should've definitely seen Phoebe hanging around the hospital and the funeral. And in the Manor later on if he was being a creepy stalker. He should've been scratching his head wondering why the sisters powers didn't return after Grams death when they were all together like he wanted. And yet again, the saying the spell to receive powers....what if Phoebe was never motivated to do that? Would Jeremy just kept on waiting for fifty more years? Would he have married Piper and had kids too? Of course, we all know there were tons of inconsistencies throughout Charmed. Oh yeah. Makes me regret re-watching because I'm noticing them in the good seasons too. Like why did warlocks including Nicholas wait so long for Grams to die? Why not just bring back-up or hire a human assassin to kill her instead of waiting for the Charmed Ones to grow up and risk vanquishing them? What was with the whole being a secret admirer of Grams to check whether the sisters got their powers or not? Did Grams seriously not even suspect he was a warlock? Where did Grams get the power to bind the Charmed Ones powers when neither she nor Patty combined could send the future Charmed Ones home? Why did Grams not add the Woogy banishing spell in the Book but instead relied on a traumatized Phoebe to remember the spell as a grown-up incase the Woogy returned? Lol. Still love the show So it appears Grams died extremely soon after she first went to hospital for heart problems. Piper says she meet Jeremy 6 months ago, and they always state Grams died 6 months ago. Jeremy really was patient to wait, yet why he didn't act right after she died, and then Phoebe left. What if Phoebe stayed in New York longer, would he really wait, or do something to get Phoebe back to town sooner. But your right guys, why so many Warlocks waited so long to act. If Nicholas kept visiting once a year for flowers for Grams, how much longer was he going to wait. If Grams was very healthy, would he seriously just wait until she passed away from old age. |
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Post by cyma on Feb 1, 2017 5:58:05 GMT -5
I thought the binding was a spell? That's actually what she was carrying when she fell down the stairs. Piper bound firestarter Tyler's powers by having him drink the potion, and they tried to bind Phoebe's baby's powers by putting it in tea. It was a power stripping potion Grams was carrying before a heart attack struck her. She wanted to permanently strip their powers so when she died, they would remain completely normal and free of magic. Grams was under the belief the sisters were fighting each other a lot and suddenly getting powers would've probably tore them apart than bought them closer together and evil would've easily picked them off. Oh, I see what you mean about Nicholas. Why not just kill Grams himself? Maybe he thought he didn't have enough power or something? Or maybe he thought she was too strong? Maybe she had to die naturally? Though I don't think that's it..lol..I never thought about that before! And good point with the Woogy spell! Maybe she thought it would stay contained? But even so, she still should've written it down in the book. Got no excuse for Grams not putting the Woogy spell in the book, but Grams having to die naturally would unbound the powers rather than if she's killed, that I can definitely buy. |
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Post by Miranda Turner on Feb 1, 2017 7:04:26 GMT -5
I thought the binding was a spell? That's actually what she was carrying when she fell down the stairs. Piper bound firestarter Tyler's powers by having him drink the potion, and they tried to bind Phoebe's baby's powers by putting it in tea. It was a power stripping potion Grams was carrying before a heart attack struck her. She wanted to permanently strip their powers so when she died, they would remain completely normal and free of magic. Grams was under the belief the sisters were fighting each other a lot and suddenly getting powers would've probably tore them apart than bought them closer together and evil would've easily picked them off. Oh, I see what you mean about Nicholas. Why not just kill Grams himself? Maybe he thought he didn't have enough power or something? Or maybe he thought she was too strong? Maybe she had to die naturally? Though I don't think that's it..lol..I never thought about that before! And good point with the Woogy spell! Maybe she thought it would stay contained? But even so, she still should've written it down in the book. Got no excuse for Grams not putting the Woogy spell in the book, but Grams having to die naturally would unbound the powers rather than if she's killed, that I can definitely buy. Grams should of put it in the book, better to be safe than sorry. Grams having to die naturally and not killed by a demon or warlock, to unbind their powers. That is a new one. I always believed Grams should of told them about their destiny. But she must of believed they were not ready with all the fighting between them. Still keeping their powers bound, and simply telling them about their destiny, teaching them spells and potions and getting them ready for their destiny one day. At least sets them up to be prepared and ready. Maybe a good time was when Phoebe had finished high school and all of them were truly old enough to handle the news. |
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Post by cyma on Feb 1, 2017 14:10:40 GMT -5
So it appears Grams died extremely soon after she first went to hospital for heart problems. Piper says she meet Jeremy 6 months ago, and they always state Grams died 6 months ago. Jeremy really was patient to wait, yet why he didn't act right after she died, and then Phoebe left. What if Phoebe stayed in New York longer, would he really wait, or do something to get Phoebe back to town sooner. Interestingly, I caught something I never realized from the season 1's Barbas episode: So Grams fell down the stairs on Friday the 13th  And Piper met Jeremy when Grams was admitted which was the same day. Maybe Phoebe going into debt was actually Jeremy's doing and not destiny to lure her back? In the meantime, he was keeping himself quite busy by posing as a reporter while seducing and killing other witches rather than solely and obsessively focusing on getting Charmed powers. But your right guys, why so many Warlocks waited so long to act. If Nicholas kept visiting once a year for flowers for Grams, how much longer was he going to wait. If Grams was very healthy, would he seriously just wait until she passed away from old age. I'll go with polarity's theory of Grams needing to die naturally and not be killed for the powers to be unbound. Though I can't help but wonder if her heart condition was a consequence of doing that. Seeing that warlocks are immortal, I guess Nicholas was okay with waiting so long, especially if, like Jeremy, he spent the majority of his time killing witches. Though the flowers thing every year is weird. Didn't he get the memo Grams bound their powers and they won't be released until she's dead? Or was he hoping she changed her mind and removed the binding? Then again, visiting every year since Piper was a kid with 'flowers for her Grams' excuse bought him Piper's trust. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 1, 2017 14:16:05 GMT -5
Interesting theories.
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Post by cyma on Feb 1, 2017 14:38:16 GMT -5
I always believed Grams should of told them about their destiny. But she must of believed they were not ready with all the fighting between them. Still keeping their powers bound, and simply telling them about their destiny, teaching them spells and potions and getting them ready for their destiny one day. At least sets them up to be prepared and ready. Maybe a good time was when Phoebe had finished high school and all of them were truly old enough to handle the news. With Phoebe being reckless teenager and having her own gang and Prue being reckless before that not to mention wanting to go away and become a photo journalist, I can understand Grams’ hesitance in unbinding their powers. But she could have only unbound Piper’s powers and revealed to her their destiny. But then unbinding Piper’s powers would’ve put her in danger so Grams just kept on procrastinating. Maybe deep down Patty’s death affected her decision to unbind their powers. |
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Post by Polarity on Feb 1, 2017 17:59:55 GMT -5
I thought the binding was a spell? That's actually what she was carrying when she fell down the stairs. Piper bound firestarter Tyler's powers by having him drink the potion, and they tried to bind Phoebe's baby's powers by putting it in tea. It was a power stripping potion Grams was carrying before a heart attack struck her. She wanted to permanently strip their powers so when she died, they would remain completely normal and free of magic. Grams was under the belief the sisters were fighting each other a lot and suddenly getting powers would've probably tore them apart than bought them closer together and evil would've easily picked them off. Oh, I see what you mean about Nicholas. Why not just kill Grams himself? Maybe he thought he didn't have enough power or something? Or maybe he thought she was too strong? Maybe she had to die naturally? Though I don't think that's it..lol..I never thought about that before! And good point with the Woogy spell! Maybe she thought it would stay contained? But even so, she still should've written it down in the book. Got no excuse for Grams not putting the Woogy spell in the book, but Grams having to die naturally would unbound the powers rather than if she's killed, that I can definitely buy. That's right! It wasn't a binding potion at all. Should've gone back and watched that episode so I could've noticed that. Jeremy making Phoebe's debt happen is interesting. I remember, though, in one episode where they seemed to have bad luck happen, (Piper was going to lose the club, Paige had a car accident, can't remember Phoebe's) didn't they say no Warlock had the power to just take stuff away? I can't remember exactly what they said about that. So that makes me wonder if he could have. Never thought about that before. |
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Post by cyma on Feb 3, 2017 10:47:26 GMT -5
Jeremy making Phoebe's debt happen is interesting. I remember, though, in one episode where they seemed to have bad luck happen, (Piper was going to lose the club, Paige had a car accident, can't remember Phoebe's) didn't they say no Warlock had the power to just take stuff away? I can't remember exactly what they said about that. So that makes me wonder if he could have. Never thought about that before. Don't recall the warlock thing, but the episode with bad luck was 'The Importance of Being Phoebe' in season 5. Phoebe was being sued for giving bad advice by some woman. But it wasn't a spell or anything to cause bad luck Cole used. Just sending demons to sabotage things at the right time and right place. In season 4, Cole/Source did the same thing to make Phoebe move in with him by turning on the fire alarm and cutting off the power in the Manor. The darklighter who makes people commit suicide was the one who infected people with bad luck. And also leprechauns. It's a possibility Jeremy pulled Cole's tricks on Phoebe and sabotaged her job. Perhaps even did something which made her unable to get another one. Phoebe didn't even have cab money when she got back. Another theory is, he asked the witches he killed to cast a little bad luck on Phoebe. It seemed like the witch he killed at the beginning had told him about her powers and magic. So why not take advantage of that too before killing and stealing their powers? |
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Post by lordumbrex on Feb 3, 2017 16:41:56 GMT -5
Well Jeremy was a warlock, so if he needed to cast bad luck, he could just do it himself, he wouldn't need a witch to do so.
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